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[GreyLycanTrope]

Glad you mentioned tables, that is a very apt comparison.

[Pitznik]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss' attempt at logic:

- Shepard's survival in HEMSD must be an easter egg, because it breaks canon otherwise
- existence of canon is proven by Shepard's death in every ending

Bravo! Blueprotoss is ridiculous, because I wouldn't call him that, if he weren't ridiculous.

I see that logic isn't your friend  because you have to flip the table when you're wrong.  Either way Shepard dies in one way or another in every ending and most of the easter eggs require work like having high enough EMS to see Shepard breathing after picking Destroy.

I just pointed out circular logic fallacy in your reasoning. I'm repeating over and over again the same thing, waiting for your synapses to finally pass the right signals.

[GreyLycanTrope]

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Nie licz na to

[InvincibleHero]

There is closure if you choose it. Does it really matter if a fictional character lives or dies? Ask yourself that. If yes then why should you do that to yourself. People are investing too much in something relatively incosequential.

[Blueprotoss]

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss' attempt at logic:

- Shepard's survival in HEMSD must be an easter egg, because it breaks canon otherwise
- existence of canon is proven by Shepard's death in every ending

Bravo! Blueprotoss is ridiculous, because I wouldn't call him that, if he weren't ridiculous.

I see that logic isn't your friend  because you have to flip the table when you're wrong.  Either way Shepard dies in one way or another in every ending and most of the easter eggs require work like having high enough EMS to see Shepard breathing after picking Destroy.

I just pointed out circular logic fallacy in your reasoning. I'm repeating over and over again the same thing, waiting for your synapses to finally pass the right signals.

Thats ironic when you keep on repeating yourself while this is what happens in debates and arguments. 

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Glad you mentioned tables, that is a very apt comparison.

Yet he doesn't want to have a conversation.

[Obvakhi]

Probably the same reason why the Geth and EDI were killed.... they didn't want Destroy to seem too 'perfect'. Because who wouldn't want a LI reunion scene?

[Pitznik]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss' attempt at logic:

- Shepard's survival in HEMSD must be an easter egg, because it breaks canon otherwise
- existence of canon is proven by Shepard's death in every ending

Bravo! Blueprotoss is ridiculous, because I wouldn't call him that, if he weren't ridiculous.

I see that logic isn't your friend  because you have to flip the table when you're wrong.  Either way Shepard dies in one way or another in every ending and most of the easter eggs require work like having high enough EMS to see Shepard breathing after picking Destroy.

I just pointed out circular logic fallacy in your reasoning. I'm repeating over and over again the same thing, waiting for your synapses to finally pass the right signals.

Thats ironic when you keep on repeating yourself while this is what happens in debates and arguments. 

Still waiting for you to realize. Still hoping.

[Blueprotoss]

Obvakhi wrote...

Probably the same reason why the Geth and EDI were killed.... they didn't want Destroy to seem too 'perfect'. Because who wouldn't want a LI reunion scene?

I personally don't need a LI reunion scene while the Geth and EDI died because they had Reaper technology in them.

[Blueprotoss]

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

I just pointed out circular logic fallacy in your reasoning. I'm repeating over and over again the same thing, waiting for your synapses to finally pass the right signals.

Thats ironic when you keep on repeating yourself while this is what happens in debates and arguments. 

Still waiting for you to realize. Still hoping.

Inuslting people won't help you.

[ShepnTali]

He's not insulting you. You're not making sense. It seems you like to 'debate' for the sake of 'debate' without knowing what you're 'debating'.

[Blueprotoss]

ShepnTali wrote...

He's not insulting you. You're not making sense. It seems you like to 'debate' for the sake of 'debate' without knowing what you're 'debating'.

When you personally attack people with rage is usually called an insult and thats what he was doing.  I prefer to have a debate, arguement, or discussion without the pettiness of insults appear.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 septembre 2012 - 10:56 .

[sammcl]

The "Shepard Lives" scene has less impact if it is then immediately explained. The extended cut added a scene showing the remnants of the citadel with an intact presidium, that makes it plausible.

The desire to know how it happened and/or what happened after is understandable but actually showing that would diminish the power of that bonus scene. I was afraid the extended cut would ruin that but it was done well, the presidium is intact and the Normandy crew can't bring themselves to put Shepard on the remembrance wall.

[Heather Cline]

It was a cop out. They don't care about what the fans wanted so it was a cop out plain and simple. Lazy game devs and copping out.

[Pitznik]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

He's not insulting you. You're not making sense. It seems you like to 'debate' for the sake of 'debate' without knowing what you're 'debating'.

When you personally attack people with rage is usually called an insult and thats what he was doing.  I prefer to have a debate, arguement, or discussion without the pettiness of insults appear.

Dude. I am not insulting you. But I can't help that you're trying to prove that Shepard can't survive in HEMSD because canon, and proof of canon exististence is Shepard not surviving. Circular logic. You're using the very thing you are trying to prove as an arguement. You don't address it in any way, you just keep pointing out at some other games (how does it even matter?). How I am supposed to discuss with you? You can repeat that white is black all the time, and I can repeat that white is white, and we will go nowhere. If you want discussion, please refute this arguement.

PS When I called you ridiculous, I gave you an example of circular logic - it wasn't meant as an insult, but as sarcastic way of showing you where you're making a mistake.

[Blueprotoss]

Pitznik wrote...

Dude. I am not insulting you. But I can't help that you're trying to prove that Shepard can't survive in HEMSD because canon, and proof of canon exististence is Shepard not surviving. Circular logic. You're using the very thing you are trying to prove as an arguement. You don't address it in any way, you just keep pointing out at some other games (how does it even matter?). How I am supposed to discuss with you? You can repeat that white is black all the time, and I can repeat that white is white, and we will go nowhere. If you want discussion, please refute this arguement.

PS When I called you ridiculous, I gave you an example of circular logic - it wasn't meant as an insult, but as sarcastic way of showing you where you're making a mistake.

Yet it is an insult since points will be repeated in a debate, discussion, or arguement.  The mistakes that was comitted is you flipping the table from rage.

[Pitznik]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet it is an insult since points will be repeated in a debate, discussion, or arguement.  The mistakes that was comitted is you flipping the table from rage.

I take it as that you won't address my point. Thank you, that is all.

[Blueprotoss]

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet it is an insult since points will be repeated in a debate, discussion, or arguement.  The mistakes that was comitted is you flipping the table from rage.

I take it as that you won't address my point. Thank you, that is all.

Your points are based on bias, insults, and opinion while those don't work in a discussion of facts.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:08 .

[Pitznik]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet it is an insult since points will be repeated in a debate, discussion, or arguement.  The mistakes that was comitted is you flipping the table from rage.

I take it as that you won't address my point. Thank you, that is all.

Your points are based on bias, insults, and opinion while those don't work in a discussion of facts.

I pointed out an example of logical fallacy. That has nothing to do with opinion, bias or insults.

[Xenite]

The whole ending scenario with the breath scene just seemed so amateurish in the writing. Enough time has passed that they made up plaques and your supposed to "feel" that they know you are still alive.... except what you have been laying in the wreckage of the citadel for a few weeks now?

The ending was crap, the writing was crap and they butchered a good franchise. A few people at Bioware should be in the unemployment line right now.

[Blueprotoss]

Pitznik wrote...

I pointed out an example of logical fallacy. That has nothing to do with opinion, bias or insults.

How is that when you yourself created the logical fallacy.  Ironically its based on bias, insults, and opinion just like how you want more closure.  Everyone can't be happy so you shouldn't expect everyone to be happy.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:37 .

[Iakus]

sammcl wrote...
The desire to know how it happened and/or what happened after is understandable but actually showing that would diminish the power of that bonus scene. I was afraid the extended cut would ruin that but it was done well, the presidium is intact and the Normandy crew can't bring themselves to put Shepard on the remembrance wall.

Would it?

Our last look at Shepard is of him/her charred, buried in rubble, trapped in an unknown part of the Citadel.  And apparantly injured enough to have stopped breathing for a time.  Sure we know Shepard's not dead yet.  But this suipposedly "hopeful" image leaves us in doubt that Shepard will recover.  

This image which is suppsed to give us a "ray of hope" shows Shepard still in a very bad way.  And fortunes can still change for the worse at any time.  All we ask is for confirmation that Shepard will be able to recover from this.  Not a reunion, necessarilly, but a rescue? a hospital bed?  Even standing up and calling fro help would show us Shepard's not mortally wounded. 

[Prototype_Prodigy]

What really Bugs Me is that You can be a Total Saint and Save Practially Everyone. Or be a complete Jerk and Kill, Destroy Everything.


And Yet when It comes to the End, You are given Free Reign to Chose any Ending You want.

I was always of the Opinion that Your actions throughout the 3 Games would carry more weight and have a Heavy Impact on How the Game Ends.

[Iakus]

Prototype_Prodigy wrote...

What really Bugs Me is that You can be a Total Saint and Save Practially Everyone. Or be a complete Jerk and Kill, Destroy Everything.


And Yet when It comes to the End, You are given Free Reign to Chose any Ending You want.

I was always of the Opinion that Your actions throughout the 3 Games would carry more weight and have a Heavy Impact on How the Game Ends.

And in the end, save for that one, deliberately ambiguous ending, all the endings kill Shepard.  Regardless of preparation or previous actions.

It's like, despite the "there is no canon" proclamation, Bioware wants to establish a canon that Shepard died on the Citadel.