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[MegaSovereign]

scyphozoa wrote...

I don't understand why people think Shepard would ever come back from making any of those decisions. Shepard transcends humanity, he becomes a god. You make a choice to kill, control or change trillions of lives. You can't just return to life as normal. Even if Shep survived after making a choice, the human mind would be crushed under the weight of doubt and regret. Simply put, Shep was dead the minute he went up that elevator, making any of the three choices is a point of no return.

I'm sure my Shepard would be mourning robots as he is banging Liara.

[Iakus]

scyphozoa wrote...

I don't understand why people think Shepard would ever come back from making any of those decisions. Shepard transcends humanity, he becomes a god. You make a choice to kill, control or change trillions of lives. You can't just return to life as normal. Even if Shep survived after making a choice, the human mind would be crushed under the weight of doubt and regret. Simply put, Shep was dead the minute he went up that elevator, making any of the three choices is a point of no return.

It's precisely because Shepard went through the wringer that we want better closure.  IMO,  Shepard deserved a better fate.  I just need a better foundation to headcanon it. I'm not so good at this sort of thing

[LiarasShield]

iakus wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

I don't understand why people think Shepard would ever come back from making any of those decisions. Shepard transcends humanity, he becomes a god. You make a choice to kill, control or change trillions of lives. You can't just return to life as normal. Even if Shep survived after making a choice, the human mind would be crushed under the weight of doubt and regret. Simply put, Shep was dead the minute he went up that elevator, making any of the three choices is a point of no return.

It's precisely because Shepard went through the wringer that we want better closure.  IMO,  Shepard deserved a better fate.  I just need a better foundation to headcanon it. I'm not so good at this sort of thing

yeah

[Blueprotoss]

scyphozoa wrote...

I don't understand why people think Shepard would ever come back from making any of those decisions. Shepard transcends humanity, he becomes a god. You make a choice to kill, control or change trillions of lives. You can't just return to life as normal. Even if Shep survived after making a choice, the human mind would be crushed under the weight of doubt and regret. Simply put, Shep was dead the minute he went up that elevator, making any of the three choices is a point of no return.

I would say Shepard was dead as soon as he/she saw the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime in ME1.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[Pitznik]

scyphozoa wrote...

I think the problem with wanting closure for destroy ending is the assumption or belief that Shep is alive. I don't think he is. I know there is a file in the game code that lists it as "alive" but I don't think that means much in terms of lore. I think what we see is Shep's final, dying breath. That isn't Shep about to pull himself up out of rubble, that is Shep dying to finish his mission.

Against your interpretation are the way this breath was presented; the nameplate scene; the fact this scene is a difference between LEMSD and HEMSD; lack of reason to even show his final breath; name of the file.

I can't simply disregard all that to headcanon Shepard dying, even if I wanted to.

There is a possibility of headcanoning the refusal epilogue as taking place in the same cycle as the wholy story took place, there is no ingame proof that it is in the far future - but still, I can't convince myself to this interpretation, because it goes against what is implied, even if there is no factual evidence.

[Iakus]

scyphozoa wrote...

I think the problem with wanting closure for destroy ending is the assumption or belief that Shep is alive. I don't think he is. I know there is a file in the game code that lists it as "alive" but I don't think that means much in terms of lore. I think what we see is Shep's final, dying breath. That isn't Shep about to pull himself up out of rubble, that is Shep dying to finish his mission.

And obviously the devs know the implications of showing Shep take a breath. This is why there will never be a reunion scene. The devs want people to think either option, either Shep died successfully completing his mission, or Shep is buried under rubble waiting to get rescued. That is up to the viewer to decide. The minute the devs show any further details, that ambiguity is gone, and that ambiguity is something the devs want. They want different players to be able to interpret radically different things about how Shepard's story ends.

Frankly, I think Shep dying to successfully complete his mission is closure, its just not the happy ending or reunion that people really want.

There are seven other endings where Shepard dies.  Unambiguously and definitively, with no interpretation needed.  It's cruel to dangle this bit of hope before players who deperately want something better for their Shepards and leave it so ambiguous.  Both Shepard and the players deserve better treatment.

[Baa Baa]

iakus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

IT Speculation

that is why we couldnt get closure?

If that's the case my rage will blot out the sun

[JeffZero]

You know. IT speculation is possibly the strongest explanation for it that I've seen.

And that kinda disgusts me. D:

[LiarasShield]

JeffZero wrote...

You know. IT speculation is possibly the strongest explanation for it that I've seen.

And that kinda disgusts me. D:

well I think shepard has done enough for the galaxy that if he or she lives they get a better send off but eh well

guess bioware just wanted to make me extreme sad or angry which both is the case

[MegaSovereign]

JeffZero wrote...

You know. IT speculation is possibly the strongest explanation for it that I've seen.

And that kinda disgusts me. D:

I wish they would just shoot IT down.

Eventually they're gonna have to come out and say, "the endings actually ****ing happened."

[Iakus]

JeffZero wrote...

You know. IT speculation is possibly the strongest explanation for it that I've seen.

And that kinda disgusts me. D:

Indeed.

Commander Shepard doomed to lie in garbage for all eternity because the original endings were so bad a theory that they weren't really the endings got too popular...

[LiarasShield]

iakus wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

You know. IT speculation is possibly the strongest explanation for it that I've seen.

And that kinda disgusts me. D:

Indeed.

Commander Shepard doomed to lie in garbage for all eternity because the original endings were so bad a theory that they weren't really the endings got too popular...

For the ending to remain for shepard to remain lying down in the rubble is extremely depressing

[Iakus]

LiarasShield wrote...

iakus wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

You know. IT speculation is possibly the strongest explanation for it that I've seen.

And that kinda disgusts me. D:

Indeed.

Commander Shepard doomed to lie in garbage for all eternity because the original endings were so bad a theory that they weren't really the endings got too popular...

For the ending to remain for shepard to remain lying down in the rubble is extremely depressing

Indeed.

I'm not asking for new endings.  Or even altered endings.  Just a few seconds to clarify that Shepard did indeed survive in this ending.  Clarity and Closure.  Just like EC promised, but in this case didn't deliver.  Didn't even touch, really.

Leaving Shepard buried in rubble is like seeing the Normandy crash-landed on the jungle planet in the original ending.  We got to see the Normandy exape.  Why not Shepard?

[LiarasShield]

iakus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

iakus wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

You know. IT speculation is possibly the strongest explanation for it that I've seen.

And that kinda disgusts me. D:

Indeed.

Commander Shepard doomed to lie in garbage for all eternity because the original endings were so bad a theory that they weren't really the endings got too popular...

For the ending to remain for shepard to remain lying down in the rubble is extremely depressing

Indeed.

I'm not asking for new endings.  Or even altered endings.  Just a few seconds to clarify that Shepard did indeed survive in this ending.  Clarity and Closure.  Just like EC promised, but in this case didn't deliver.  Didn't even touch, really.

Leaving Shepard buried in rubble is like seeing the Normandy crash-landed on the jungle planet in the original ending.  We got to see the Normandy exape.  Why not Shepard?

Its the thing I'm gonna keep praying for

[MystEU]

"Hope"

[LiarasShield]

MystEU wrote...

"Hope"

Yeah I'm still hopeing that some day they will be willing to not let shepard lie in rubble in the ending

[Almostfaceman]

It's too much to ask to clarify whether or not Shep lives or dies after he takes that breath.

Wait, no it's not.

[MattFini]

Its very obvious, LiarasShield.

BioWare didn't want EVERYONE preferring one ending to the others.

Yes, it seems like most folks here like destroy anyway. But BioWare couldn't be bothered to give Shepard a proper outcome in the 'survives' ending because if it was THAT much better
than the others, who wouldn't choose it?

Its basically a half-assed copout, and a disgraceful way to end Shepard's story.

[Iakus]

MattFini wrote...

Its very obvious, LiarasShield.

BioWare didn't want EVERYONE preferring one ending to the others.

Yes, it seems like most folks here like destroy anyway. But BioWare couldn't be bothered to give Shepard a proper outcome in the 'survives' ending because if it was THAT much better
than the others, who wouldn't choose it?

Its basically a half-assed copout, and a disgraceful way to end Shepard's story.

Then it's Bioware's own fault for not providing an equivalent rubble scene for COntrol and Synthesis.

But then, Bioware really should have considered the fact that, silly as it sounds, players might want a say in whether thier own character lives or dies.

[LiarasShield]

iakus wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Its very obvious, LiarasShield.

BioWare didn't want EVERYONE preferring one ending to the others.

Yes, it seems like most folks here like destroy anyway. But BioWare couldn't be bothered to give Shepard a proper outcome in the 'survives' ending because if it was THAT much better
than the others, who wouldn't choose it?

Its basically a half-assed copout, and a disgraceful way to end Shepard's story.

Then it's Bioware's own fault for not providing an equivalent rubble scene for COntrol and Synthesis.

But then, Bioware really should have considered the fact that, silly as it sounds, players might want a say in whether thier own character lives or dies.

Of course we want a say if our characters lives or dies I mean did bioware said we would get to choose how we wanted to end shepards story lol?

[Vigil_N7]

[crimzontearz]

Because ART

it is not art unless you throw in a good middle finger to your fans. The breath scene was USELESS even more so after Comicon

If you want to imply someone is still alive then you need to do it like Vigil did in Darksiders 2

[Gogzilla]

LiarasShield wrote...

This is what bothers me the most and I'm not gonna stop talking about it ninja stan you can lock or ban me if you want but it is not something I'm going to just let go of

Dead Shepard is you know dead :l , its the end of his/her story so "THE END".

Shepard alive, thats not "The end".
Life goes on and so does Shepard

Modifié par Gogzilla, 10 septembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[MattFini]

Funny thing is, if the breath scene could be swapped out for an ending similar to ME1, where Shepard comes limping out of the rubble in front of your squad and ended there, it would've been perfectly fine.

I still think they screwed up by not giving us a DA-style epilogue that tells what happened to each and every character (since we've been with them for three damn games and hundreds of hours).