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Why was closure not given to shepard in destroy but only implications where dead shepard gets closure in the other endings


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Stornskar wrote...

If there was closure with the Destroy ending - e.g. a reunion with the LI, drinks with Garrus, etc - then nobody would choose the other endings.


They shouldn't pick them anyway because they MAKE NO SENSE (Through character building for Control and science for Synthesis), except refuse.

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Mcfly616 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/14019012/1


That's a very small poll and isn't representative of anybody.

However, that cutscene is titled "ShepardLives" in teh PC files.

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ShepnTali wrote...

ME1 -- victory was most emotional moment for me.


ME2 -- Again, victory.. with all the crew's eyes on Shepard after the mission. Even Jack knew the score. This was great.


ME3 -- Saying 'potential' goodbyes. Great writing will make you believe the end may be near, even if you're deep down certain it will all be ok in the end.

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Stornskar wrote...

If there was closure with the Destroy ending - e.g. a reunion with the LI, drinks with Garrus, etc - then nobody would choose the other endings.


So  they had to deny closure to one ending so they could force deaths in all the others?  :huh:

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THIS  from 2:17:D

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iakus wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

This is what bothers me the most and I'm not gonna stop talking about it ninja stan you can lock or ban me if you want but it is not something I'm going to just let go of

Your last thread was closed for being confrontational and elitist, both in the thread title and in your responses to others, not because of the opinions you hold. If you can carry on this conversation without name-calling or insults against those who disagree with you, this thread can stay open.


I don't believe you


Please don't, LiarasShield.  I'm as passionate about this topic as you are.  It's something I think the devs really need to hear about and address.  And don't want to see this thread closed and buried too.  


Your passion and conviction is almost a physical thing, it comes across very strong.
I admire that. I feel for Shepard as well. Please don't allow your anger to take you to a place where you get banned. Please stay strong, classy and sassy. You may have detractors, but you have more supporters than you know. Please, take a moment to let the heat you feel subside.  Please.  :huh:

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

If there was closure with the Destroy ending - e.g. a reunion with the LI, drinks with Garrus, etc - then nobody would choose the other endings.


They shouldn't pick them anyway because they MAKE NO SENSE (Through character building for Control and science for Synthesis), except refuse.


Oh I'm not disagreeing with you ... I would pick Destroy regardless. Just stating that's why they did it. Kind of like eliminating the middle dialogue option, becauase nobody uses it. Again, not agreeing with it, just stating the reason behind it

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Nope compare the clarification/closure provided to the other endings in EC and then watch as shep lives is dumped at the end of high EMS destroy like it was a piece of garbage they were desperate to dispose of.

How is that when all the endings reach a certain point and hand holding isn't neccessary.


Epilogues take place over hundreds of years. Yet destroy dumps a sequence from immediate aftermath and refuses to provide any exposition for it within the epilogue. Other endings have odes to dead sheps, yet live shep doesn't even get the tiniest amount of exposition.


wright1978 wrote... 

Yeah i'm sure a canon will eventually be picked. That doesn't excuse their desperate attempts to avoid providing any real clarification/closure for ME3 shep lives ending in EC.


Blueprotoss wrote...
It seems you missed the point especially when DLC and ME4 are involved.  If there was post ending DLC then it wold fall under canon while its up to Bioware since ME is their baby.


No future games may very well pick a canon universe to start from. That's no different from each game having an established default to start from. Future DLC will definitely not, that doesn't mean they couldn't add an extra slide to provide the proper clarity/integration of shep lives into high EMS destroy

Modifié par wright1978, 07 septembre 2012 - 08:30 .


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Blueprotoss wrote...

wright1978 wrote... 

Yeah i'm sure a canon will eventually be picked. That doesn't excuse their desperate attempts to avoid providing any real clarification/closure for ME3 shep lives ending in EC.

It seems you missed the point especially when DLC and ME4 are involved.  If there was post ending DLC then it wold fall under canon while its up to Bioware since ME is their baby.


Bioware isn't gonna make post-ending DLCs because there afraid to say a canon ending, but if they do make a ME4 there gonna have to

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I got closure, than again I've watched enough movies where they have the cliffhanger he's alive thing to know that, well, he's alive.

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LiarasShield wrote...

fil009 wrote...

Its up to your imagination.


It shouldn't have to be I shoudn't have to imagine shepard being alive when all they would've had to do was normandy get a message of him or her being alive or showing his or her face or a team digging shepard out not a full on reunion but something a bit more


Why couldn't they have done that in extended?



Because Bioware are genuises and they have done everything that the fans have wanted.  All of their fans are jumping with joy!   75 perfect scores!  This game is perfect and is the best game in the Universe because EA says it is.

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Stornskar wrote...
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you ... I would pick Destroy regardless. Just stating that's why they did it. Kind of like eliminating the middle dialogue option, becauase nobody uses it. Again, not agreeing with it, just stating the reason behind it


Aye, but that really bothers me in ME3 with the middle option.

-BioWare adjusts paragon/renegade scale system to allow "neutral" responses to not be useless.
-BioWare REMOVES middle neutral option.

*sigh*

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Stornskar wrote...

If there was closure with the Destroy ending - e.g. a reunion with the LI, drinks with Garrus, etc - then nobody would choose the other endings.


That couldnt be further from the truth.

People replay these type of games for a reason.

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Jamie9 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/14019012/1


That's a very small poll and isn't representative of anybody.

However, that cutscene is titled "ShepardLives" in teh PC files.

I know what the file name is. I also know what it says on page 323 of the official strategy guide. But I didn't need any of that because I already have common sense. I never needed a poll. LiarasShield obviously does.

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xsdob wrote...

I got closure, than again I've watched enough movies where they have the cliffhanger he's alive thing to know that, well, he's alive.


I've seen them too, but I generally don't have the same kind of connection with the characters. It's easy to accept it there.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 07 septembre 2012 - 08:37 .


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ShepnTali wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I got closure, than again I've watched enough movies where they have the cliffhanger he's alive thing to know that, well, he's alive.


I've seen them too, but I generally don't have the same kind of connection with the characters. It's easy to accept it there.


Just saying how I got my closure.

I understand that some want more than that, to me it was good enough since the galaxy doesn't starve to death and basically rebuilds.

That was my top prioritey, keep the galaxy from being destroyed.

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It never even explains how Shepard DID survive, which is the biggest question of all. Probably because by all accounts it makes no sense. The complete lack of closure is infuriating. 

All I wanted from Mass Effect 3 was a satisfying conclusion where the defeat of the Reapers made sense and I go to see Shepard alive and with his LI like he deserved.

Mass Effect 3 gave me neither of those two things, even after the EC, and with excessive ammounts of autodialogue and a boring and semi-mandatory MP feature to boot. That is why the Mass Effect 3 will forever be remembered by me as one of the largest disappointments of my life, and one of the worst games I have ever played.

Modifié par EJ107, 07 septembre 2012 - 08:43 .


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It never even explains how Shepard DID survive, which is the biggest question of all. Probably because by all accounts it makes no sense. The complete lack of closure is infuriating. 

All I wanted from Mass Effect 3 was a satisfying conclusion where the defeat of the Reapers made sense and I go to see Shepard alive and with his LI like he deserved.

Mass Effect 3 gave me neither of those two things, even after the EC, which is why the Mass Effect 3 will forever be remembered by me as one of the largest disappointments of my life, and one of the worst games I have ever played.


I've had worse dissapointments, and played worse games.

Though I'm sorry for your loss.

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EJ107 wrote...

It never even explains how Shepard DID survive, which is the biggest question of all. Probably because by all accounts it makes no sense. The complete lack of closure is infuriating. 

All I wanted from Mass Effect 3 was a satisfying conclusion where the defeat of the Reapers made sense and I go to see Shepard alive and with his LI like he deserved.

Mass Effect 3 gave me neither of those two things, even after the EC, and with excessive ammounts of autodialogue and a boring and semi-mandatory MP feature to boot. That is why the Mass Effect 3 will forever be remembered by me as one of the largest disappointments of my life, and one of the worst games I have ever played.


Look at the bright side. If a videogame is one of your largest disappointments then that means you've had a pretty good life so far.

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EJ107 wrote...

It never even explains how Shepard DID survive, which is the biggest question of all. Probably because by all accounts it makes no sense. The complete lack of closure is infuriating. 

All I wanted from Mass Effect 3 was a satisfying conclusion where the defeat of the Reapers made sense and I go to see Shepard alive and with his LI like he deserved.

Mass Effect 3 gave me neither of those two things, even after the EC, and with excessive ammounts of autodialogue and a boring and semi-mandatory MP feature to boot. That is why the Mass Effect 3 will forever be remembered by me as one of the largest disappointments of my life, and one of the worst games I have ever played.


Yep the most disappointing game experience of my life. Not the worst game but just so mediocre compared to what came before.

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xsdob wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

It never even explains how Shepard DID survive, which is the biggest question of all. Probably because by all accounts it makes no sense. The complete lack of closure is infuriating. 

All I wanted from Mass Effect 3 was a satisfying conclusion where the defeat of the Reapers made sense and I go to see Shepard alive and with his LI like he deserved.

Mass Effect 3 gave me neither of those two things, even after the EC, which is why the Mass Effect 3 will forever be remembered by me as one of the largest disappointments of my life, and one of the worst games I have ever played.


I've had worse dissapointments, and played worse games.

Though I'm sorry for your loss.


I was going to put "disappointments in gaming" which is probably more accurate. And while I have played worse games I have never been so deeply upset by how bad I percieve the game to be. When I buy a cheap game that turns out to be absolutely dire I don't really care, and Dragon Age 2 wasn't as good as I had hoped but was still pretty average all the way through.

The Mass Effect series makes you love it and then destorys everything you ever liked about in one fell swoop, which makes it multiple times worse than even the worst games out there. At least you know that the rubbish games will be rubbish all the way through and the average games will be average. 

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^ Marvel vs Capcom 3, waited 10 years for that game. They promised an interesting story, full cutscenes for each character, advanced co-op and multiplayer features.

And what I got had less in it than even street fighter did, and it was made by the same guys to.

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 ME1 Shepard emerging alive:   1:10-2:55

ME2 Shepard rescue by Normandy:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fj0xvMCJg 1:15-3:15

ME3:  Shepard "lives"   9:15-11:00

How does ME3's even compare?  

It doesn't. Not by a long shot. The endings of Mass Effect 1 and 2 had an emotional effect on me that I never experienced in a game before. I felt like my Shepard could take on the world,hell the universe even. Mass Effect 3's ending left me sad and hollow and wondering how Bioware could've ****ed up something so easy.
If Shepard had to die it should have been with a bang,not a whimper.

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wright1978 wrote...

Epilogues take place over hundreds of years. Yet destroy dumps a sequence from immediate aftermath and refuses to provide any exposition for it within the epilogue. Other endings have odes to dead sheps, yet live shep doesn't even get the tiniest amount of exposition.

Yet the Epilogue is the Stargazer scene and the only ending choice that extends the endings by thousands of years would be the Refusal ending.  It doesn't matter if Shepard dies in most of the endings and lives in one of the endings.

wright1978 wrote... 

No future games may very well pick a canon universe to start from. That's no different from each game having an established default to start from. Future DLC will definitely not, that doesn't mean they couldn't add an extra slide to provide the proper clarity/integration of shep lives into high EMS destroy

DLC could allow canon to be established since Arrival in ME2 added to ME2's ending.  Either way clarity is subjective based on how everyone varies like how most people are fine with ME3 and some people want more hand holding.

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xsdob wrote...

^ Marvel vs Capcom 3, waited 10 years for that game. They promised an interesting story, full cutscenes for each character, advanced co-op and multiplayer features.

And what I got had less in it than even street fighter did, and it was made by the same guys to.


MvC3 and UMvC3 were terrible