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Why was closure not given to shepard in destroy but only implications where dead shepard gets closure in the other endings


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Eterna5 wrote...

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You're supposed to make your own closure.


omg totally forgot that is what i paid for<_<


It's open ended so whatever you want to have happen afterwards is true. You destroyed the reapers and now anything you want happens after. 

Why is this bad?


didn't say it was bad, just said (albeit with sarcasm) it wasn't what i paid for. I already came up with a ending, it is more like better to know if shep is dead or not so my head canon will work. Too iffy atm

but already have it all figured out

Modifié par ghost9191, 07 septembre 2012 - 10:01 .


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AresKeith wrote...

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because your not using my evidence against me, your failing at it. Mac say he's not commenting on DLCs, but specificly said no DLCs after the ending which means no Post-ending DLCs after ME3 because Shepard is dead. Now I gave you the proof but once again you refuse to admit it

Yet I did use you own evidence against yourself and not commenting is still not a no.


sure, whatever helps your egoImage IPB

This isn't ego based at all.

#153
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The Avengers eating shaorma is an easter egg.

Protagonist of the game, presumed dead but turning out to be alive is not an easter egg.

There is nothing wrong with an Easter egg just like how the Shepard Lives and Refusal are similar to the Silent Hill UFO and Dog endings.  An example of an easter egg in a movie would be Captain America's shield shown on Tony's desk at the end of Iron Man.

That's an easter egg. Showing Shepard survive is a part of the narrative, it is not an easter egg.

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ghost9191 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You're supposed to make your own closure.


omg totally forgot that is what i paid for<_<


It's open ended so whatever you want to have happen afterwards is true. You destroyed the reapers and now anything you want happens after. 

Why is this bad?


didn't say it was bad, just said (albeit with sarcasm) it wasn't what i paid for. I already came up with a ending, it is more like better to know if shep is dead or not so my head canon will work. Too iffy atm

but already have it all figured out


I don't think Shepard died after the breath scene, it seems rather pointless to have a scene with Shepard breathing and then he/she dies moments later off screen.

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Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

The Avengers eating shaorma is an easter egg.

Protagonist of the game, presumed dead but turning out to be alive is not an easter egg.

There is nothing wrong with an Easter egg just like how the Shepard Lives and Refusal are similar to the Silent Hill UFO and Dog endings.  An example of an easter egg in a movie would be Captain America's shield shown on Tony's desk at the end of Iron Man.

That's an easter egg. Showing Shepard survive is a part of the narrative, it is not an easter egg.

If Shepard living was canon then it would be part of the narritive just like how Refusal in ME3 and the UFO/Dog endings in Silent Hill are easter eggs for not being a part of the narritive.

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Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think Shepard died after the breath scene, it seems rather pointless to have a scene with Shepard breathing and then he/she dies moments later off screen.


except it wasn't a breathing scene, it was a breath scene

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Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

The Avengers eating shaorma is an easter egg.

Protagonist of the game, presumed dead but turning out to be alive is not an easter egg.

There is nothing wrong with an Easter egg just like how the Shepard Lives and Refusal are similar to the Silent Hill UFO and Dog endings.  An example of an easter egg in a movie would be Captain America's shield shown on Tony's desk at the end of Iron Man.

That's an easter egg. Showing Shepard survive is a part of the narrative, it is not an easter egg.

If Shepard living was canon then it would be part of the narritive just like how Refusal in ME3 and the UFO/Dog endings in Silent Hill are easter eggs for not being a part of the narritive.

There is no canon. Every Shepard's story can end differently. High EMS Destroy Shepard's story ends with him being alive.

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@Eterna5

Well ditto there

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AresKeith wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think Shepard died after the breath scene, it seems rather pointless to have a scene with Shepard breathing and then he/she dies moments later off screen.


except it wasn't a breathing scene, it was a breath scene

That is what breathing is - one breath, then another, then another and so on. Breathing will be always breath when shown for short enough time.

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I don't think Shepard died after the breath scene, it seems rather pointless to have a scene with Shepard breathing and then he/she dies moments later off screen.


I hear you. And you are fine using head canon to fill in the blanks. And sometimes this is necessary and good.

But for me it is hard. Because I see Shepard is burned, from her encounter with Harbinger, she took a slug from Marauder Shields, and picked up a gut wound somehow, from which she seems to be bleeding profusely. To top it all off, she got caught in an explosion, when she shot the pipe.

And I see, that Shepard took a beam, from London, to a secret location inside the Citadel, and Starkid transported her to a location above that.

So, Shepard is wounded, possibly bleeding out, most likely without any medi-gel, as her uniform seems to be melted, melted to her, and she is left in a secret location, located above a secret location, where she is unlikely to be found by anyone.  I think that about sums it up. 

And Bioware has stated that Shepard's story is done, and they are not adding anything on to the ending.

So at this point, my head canon is that things are not looking good for our heroine.
She is left to die alone after some 100 hours of sacrifice and giving her all for the people of the galaxy.

What a revoltin and depressing development!

I'm searching for something, to cling to, to believe that somehow Shepard makes it out of there.
But everywhere I look, I got 'nuthin'.  Not even a pack of medi-gel.  

Would it really hurt to have one slide of rescue workers, Bailey, Hacket, Garrus, Buehler, finding Shepard?

I wanted a happy ending sure. But I was always prepared for Shepard to make the ultimate sacrifice.

But bleeding out like that alone? Not like this.

That's all I'm saying.  Not like this. :(

Modifié par inversevideo, 07 septembre 2012 - 10:31 .


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Pitznik wrote...

There is no canon. Every Shepard's story can end differently. High EMS Destroy Shepard's story ends with him being alive.

Yet there is canon in ME and a high EMS Destroy ending isn't the only ending.

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Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

The Avengers eating shaorma is an easter egg.

Protagonist of the game, presumed dead but turning out to be alive is not an easter egg.

There is nothing wrong with an Easter egg just like how the Shepard Lives and Refusal are similar to the Silent Hill UFO and Dog endings.  An example of an easter egg in a movie would be Captain America's shield shown on Tony's desk at the end of Iron Man.

That's an easter egg. Showing Shepard survive is a part of the narrative, it is not an easter egg.

If Shepard living was canon then it would be part of the narritive just like how Refusal in ME3 and the UFO/Dog endings in Silent Hill are easter eggs for not being a part of the narritive.

There is no canon. Every Shepard's story can end differently. High EMS Destroy Shepard's story ends with him being alive.


Also the High EMS Destroy could also end up with Shepard dead, because like you said, "Every Shepard's story can end differently" and in my Shepard's story, he dies and is given a large funeral (Along with some sad music) with my LI being comforted by a surviving squad member (Or Joker).

But that's just my interpretation, just like many people have their "Happily ever after" interpretation

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Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

There is no canon. Every Shepard's story can end differently. High EMS Destroy Shepard's story ends with him being alive.

Yet there is canon in ME and a high EMS Destroy ending isn't the only ending.

No, there is no canon for ME3 ending. It might happen in the future, for some sequel or another game, or even a book or something, but as of now there is no canon. Every game looks different, in some Reapers are gone, in some they aren't, in some Shepard lives, in some he does not.

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Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Also the High EMS Destroy could also end up with Shepard dead, because like you said, "Every Shepard's story can end differently" and in my Shepard's story, he dies and is given a large funeral (Along with some sad music) with my LI being comforted by a surviving squad member (Or Joker).

But that's just my interpretation, just like many people have their "Happily ever after" interpretation


The possibility to kill him off after the fade to black exists, why not - it is just not the natural interpretation of the ending, but goes against it. You don't show someone survive miraculously to send a message "he is dead" or "he is dying".

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Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

There is no canon. Every Shepard's story can end differently. High EMS Destroy Shepard's story ends with him being alive.

Yet there is canon in ME and a high EMS Destroy ending isn't the only ending.

No, there is no canon for ME3 ending. It might happen in the future, for some sequel or another game, or even a book or something, but as of now there is no canon. Every game looks different, in some Reapers are gone, in some they aren't, in some Shepard lives, in some he does not.

If there was no canon in the end of ME3 then the Reapers wouldn't have been defeated.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

There is no canon. Every Shepard's story can end differently. High EMS Destroy Shepard's story ends with him being alive.

Yet there is canon in ME and a high EMS Destroy ending isn't the only ending.

No, there is no canon for ME3 ending. It might happen in the future, for some sequel or another game, or even a book or something, but as of now there is no canon. Every game looks different, in some Reapers are gone, in some they aren't, in some Shepard lives, in some he does not.

If there was no canon in the end of ME3 then the Reapers wouldn't have been defeated.

In some ending they really aren't, not by us.

Are you saying there is some canon that somehow encompasses all the possible ending, despite the obvious differences, and that somehow makes Shepard's survival impossible? So, Reapers being present in some endings, and destroyed in others, which possibility is canon, and which is easter egg?

I'm not even sure I understand what you're talking about.

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Pitznik wrote...

In some ending they really aren't, not by us.

Are you saying there is some canon that somehow encompasses all the possible ending, despite the obvious differences, and that somehow makes Shepard's survival impossible? So, Reapers being present in some endings, and destroyed in others, which possibility is canon, and which is easter egg?

I'm not even sure I understand what you're talking about.


This is a common problem

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Pitznik wrote...

In some ending they really aren't, not by us.

Are you saying there is some canon that somehow encompasses all the possible ending, despite the obvious differences, and that somehow makes Shepard's survival impossible? So, Reapers being present in some endings, and destroyed in others, which possibility is canon, and which is easter egg?

I'm not even sure I understand what you're talking about.

I'm saying that there is some canon established in the endings like how the Reapers are defeated out of the 4 choices.  Another example is that Shepard dies in one form or another even in the high EMS Destroy ending.  The high EMS endings are easter eggs especially when Destroy was the only one to survive the EC.  If it wasn't an easter egg then it would be established that Shepard didn't die or every choice had that option even Refuse.

Greylycantrope wrote...

This is a common problem

Pot caling the kettle black. 

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Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

This is a common problem

Pot caling the kettle black. 

Priceless :lol:

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Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

This is a common problem

Pot caling the kettle black. 

Priceless :lol:


yet I could careless Image IPB

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It's to appease the IT fans.

They went out of their way to make sure that interpretation is intact.


Does this prove IT?




























..................................................Kind of... yeah...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 07 septembre 2012 - 11:08 .


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AresKeith wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

This is a common problem

Pot caling the kettle black. 

Priceless :lol:


yet I could careless Image IPB


Yet resort to insults is kettle calling pot black.

#173
GreyLycanTrope

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AresKeith wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

This is a common problem

Pot caling the kettle black. 

Priceless :lol:


yet I could careless Image IPB

"I could can less", and no not making that up

ShepnTali wrote...

Yet resort to insults is kettle calling pot black.

I see you're not intrested in facts :)

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 07 septembre 2012 - 11:09 .


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Greylycantrope wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

In some ending they really aren't, not by us.

Are you saying there is some canon that somehow encompasses all the possible ending, despite the obvious differences, and that somehow makes Shepard's survival impossible? So, Reapers being present in some endings, and destroyed in others, which possibility is canon, and which is easter egg?

I'm not even sure I understand what you're talking about.


This is a common problem


Indeed. 

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I'm saying that there is some canon established in the endings like how the Reapers are defeated out of the 4 choices.  Another example is that Shepard dies in one form or another even in the high EMS Destroy ending.  The high EMS endings are easter eggs especially when Destroy was the only one to survive the EC.  If it wasn't an easter egg then it would be established that Shepard didn't die or every choice had that option even Refuse.

The only thing common to all endings is the fact that Reapers are defeated. You take this one similarity, forcibly add another one and you think it is now canon?

Your logic here: Shepard always dying creates canon, so Shepard living in HEMSD is an easter egg, because it would be against canon. Shepard dying is a proof that canon exists, and canon is a proof that Shepard surviving is an easter egg. Circular logic.

The truth is that Shepard either dies, lives or becomes an AI. No canon, no similar fate in all endings, each one is different. The fact that other choices don't have the option for Shepard being organically alive is proof only for the statement that different endings are different, nothing else. You could argue in a similar way that Destroy being the only ending with no Reapers is against canon, so destruction of Reapers in destroy is an easter egg. I hope you can see now how ridiculous this is.