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[Blueprotoss]

The Angry One wrote...

Being flippant with no substance to back it up does you no credit.

Harbinger isn't the villian that you think he is especially with his roles in ME2 and ME3.

The Angry One wrote...

In basic storytelling terms, Boba Fett is a villain. He opposes the heroes.
But he is in the grand scheme of things a side character and a goon. Much like TIM, who had the potential to be otherwise but ends up a mere puppet. Having the final confronation be with him is nonsensical.

Boba Fett is actually an antagonist and you don't need to be a villian to go against the protagonist.  TIM has been a villian before his ME2 introduction based on how Cerberus has been an evil organization since ME1.  If TIM isn't a villian then Hitler must be a hero then.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:11 .

[clarkusdarkus]

Whats amazing is, they consider shepard dying at the begining of ME2 then being rebuilt robocop style NOT too videogamey, but then proceed to say including a boss battle in an RPG is too videogamey.....i will never ever truly grasp what the hell there trying to proclaim with that quote.

LOTSB had 2 bosses that were well executed, just another nail in the coffin for ME3 as far as im concerned, bioware went all crazy with ME3 with there quotes-mis quotes, twitter intergration, ign cross-over, etc etc.....they forgot to just focus on creating an epic videogame that ended a trilogy.

[Blueprotoss]

Logan Cloud wrote...

This "Is TIM a proper antagonist" thing is great and all, but I don't think it's really on-topic enough to continue here.

Make a thread about it or something. Or PM each other. It's easier to discuss when you don't have other people on the sidelines cheering/mocking you for your opinions anyway.

Agreed.

[3DandBeyond]

The Angry One wrote...

Archilus5 wrote...

Why are people so obsessed with boss fights? ME doesn´t need them, never did. ME1´s "Saren´s skeleton" fight is boring. ME2´s Reaper Larva is a boss fight for the sake of boss fight, and look at Deus Ex: Human Revolution, that would be the best game ever made if there were no silly bossfights

A final confrontation can occur in any number of ways, including verbal.
We got nothing.

Yes, exactly.  It is the confrontation that defines it and it can be physical or verbal or even in some stories it is mental.  As a kid I had lots of confrontations with my brothers without saying a word.  We called them stare down contests-if you spoke, smiled, blinked, moved, or anything other than look the person in the eye, you lost.  That was still confrontation.  Compared to this in the end of ME3, we're having a tea party with a friend.

[Dragoonlordz]

Blueprotoss wrote...
-snip-

Nevermind, you have fixed your quotes now.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:13 .

[BaladasDemnevanni]

J. Reezy wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Being flippant with no substance to back it up does you no credit.

Harbinger isn't the villian that you think he is especially with his roles in ME2 and ME3.

I hope I'm not the only one that is genuinely entertained by this kind of "argument".

Blueprotoss is entertaining in general, so yes.

[AresKeith]

boss battles aren't the problem, its really how you execute it

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Archilus5 wrote...

Why are people so obsessed with boss fights? ME doesn´t need them, never did. ME1´s "Saren´s skeleton" fight is boring. ME2´s Reaper Larva is a boss fight for the sake of boss fight, and look at Deus Ex: Human Revolution, that would be the best game ever made if there were no silly bossfights

A final confrontation can occur in any number of ways, including verbal.
We got nothing.

Yes, exactly.  It is the confrontation that defines it and it can be physical or verbal or even in some stories it is mental.  As a kid I had lots of confrontations with my brothers without saying a word.  We called them stare down contests-if you spoke, smiled, blinked, moved, or anything other than look the person in the eye, you lost.  That was still confrontation.  Compared to this in the end of ME3, we're having a tea party with a friend.

 Firing a laser at you seems pretty confrontational to me. Especially when almost kills you.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[The Angry One]

Well, blueprotoss is deliberately missing the point and dragoon is being as dishonest as humanly possible in his definition of "confrontation". Not much use continuing with these arguments is there.

[3DandBeyond]

J. Reezy wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Being flippant with no substance to back it up does you no credit.

Harbinger isn't the villian that you think he is especially with his roles in ME2 and ME3.

I hope I'm not the only one that is genuinely entertained by this kind of "argument".

I see it as a gunfight where the one person is peculiarly unarmed.  Pray tell, what then is Harbinger seeing as he does tend to like to kill people?  And what other roles besides those in ME2 and 3 does Harbinger have?  Is he in some road show or something?  A one man er, monster machine, show where he says how misunderstood he is? 

He's not a villain now?  This is exactly what the writers have done to ruin ME.  That some people can not envision Harbinger as truly an enemy, even though he's been making people flavored silly putty.  I don't care if he is just the kid's lapdog-he has rabies and he can't be redeemed and loved and taken home to poop and pee in my yard.

[D24O]

Greylycantrope wrote...

D24O wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I am not even going to humour you on this. TIM was a side villain at most. The end. Don't insult our intelligence by pretending otherwise.

Nuh uh, he was the co-villian with the Synthetics. 

So they share reponsibility, the Reapers get being a serious threat and exposition, he gets turing his organization into Team Rocket and maniacal laughter

Accually, according to the Catalyst, Reapers are good guise, and Synthetics are bad guise.

[Dragoonlordz]

The Angry One wrote...

Well, blueprotoss is deliberately missing the point and dragoon is being as dishonest as humanly possible in his definition of "confrontation". Not much use continuing with these arguments is there.

Nothing dishonest about what I said. Look up the word confrontation.

You were confronted by him, he shot at you and you almost died. You said was no confrontation, factually there was. Was it the confrontation you wanted, no but it was still a confrontation. Therefore you were dishonest not moi.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:20 .

[ShepnTali]

When Anderson tells Shepard Harbinger is coming to London, Shepard responded with an interesting 'Harbinger?'.


It's reasonable to expect more from it as there were, at the very least, hints of his importance.

[AresKeith]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Pointing fingers isn't really necessary. It'd just be better to continue elsewhere, or drop it. You guys obviously aren't getting anywhere, so why keep going?

cause why not lol

[GreyLycanTrope]

D24O wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

D24O wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I am not even going to humour you on this. TIM was a side villain at most. The end. Don't insult our intelligence by pretending otherwise.

Nuh uh, he was the co-villian with the Synthetics. 

So they share reponsibility, the Reapers get being a serious threat and exposition, he gets turing his organization into Team Rocket and maniacal laughter

Accually, according to the Catalyst, Reapers are good guise, and Synthetics are bad guise.

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Archilus5 wrote...

Why are people so obsessed with boss fights? ME doesn´t need them, never did. ME1´s "Saren´s skeleton" fight is boring. ME2´s Reaper Larva is a boss fight for the sake of boss fight, and look at Deus Ex: Human Revolution, that would be the best game ever made if there were no silly bossfights

A final confrontation can occur in any number of ways, including verbal.
We got nothing.

Yes, exactly.  It is the confrontation that defines it and it can be physical or verbal or even in some stories it is mental.  As a kid I had lots of confrontations with my brothers without saying a word.  We called them stare down contests-if you spoke, smiled, blinked, moved, or anything other than look the person in the eye, you lost.  That was still confrontation.  Compared to this in the end of ME3, we're having a tea party with a friend.

 Firing a laser at you seems pretty confrontational to me. Especially when almost kills you.

Last answer to you directly.  A confrontation involves at least 2 people to make it one.  Exactly what happens here-you can't argue with people that won't answer you and that's the best road to take with you.  You prove exactly what the game lacks.  If you and I are to have a sword fight, we both must participate.  Shepard is not a participant in a fight with Harbinger.  And with the kid at the end, Shepard is not confrontational with the head goo boy at all.  Even though the kid baits him/her, just as you do here.  You bait people by not actually trying to consider what you are saying-you say anything that comes to mind, just to argue.  I see why you like the kid-kindred spirits.  End of confrontation.  End of discussion with one who will not discuss.

[AresKeith]

ShepnTali wrote...

When Anderson tells Shepard Harbinger is coming to London, Shepard responded with an interesting 'Harbinger?'.


It's reasonable to expect more from it as there were, at the very least, hints of his importance.

I think what Shepard meant was "Harbinger, I haven't seen him the whole game, Wth"

[Conniving_Eagle]

TAO and Dragoonz going at it!

www.youtube.com/watch

[Yalision]

Fable 2 did away with a final boss fight. I can honestly say that was the closest I ever came to snapping a game disc in half immediately after a poor game design decision.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Archilus5 wrote...

Why are people so obsessed with boss fights? ME doesn´t need them, never did. ME1´s "Saren´s skeleton" fight is boring. ME2´s Reaper Larva is a boss fight for the sake of boss fight, and look at Deus Ex: Human Revolution, that would be the best game ever made if there were no silly bossfights

A final confrontation can occur in any number of ways, including verbal.
We got nothing.

Yes, exactly.  It is the confrontation that defines it and it can be physical or verbal or even in some stories it is mental.  As a kid I had lots of confrontations with my brothers without saying a word.  We called them stare down contests-if you spoke, smiled, blinked, moved, or anything other than look the person in the eye, you lost.  That was still confrontation.  Compared to this in the end of ME3, we're having a tea party with a friend.

 Firing a laser at you seems pretty confrontational to me. Especially when almost kills you.

Last answer to you directly.  A confrontation involves at least 2 people to make it one.  Exactly what happens here-you can't argue with people that won't answer you and that's the best road to take with you.  You prove exactly what the game lacks.  If you and I are to have a sword fight, we both must participate.  Shepard is not a participant in a fight with Harbinger.  And with the kid at the end, Shepard is not confrontational with the head goo boy at all.  Even though the kid baits him/her, just as you do here.  You bait people by not actually trying to consider what you are saying-you say anything that comes to mind, just to argue.  I see why you like the kid-kindred spirits.  End of confrontation.  End of discussion with one who will not discuss.

Your logic is flawed. Shepard was a participant in being the intended victim. He was confronted with Harbinger. When confronted with Harbinger he shot at you. Just because you was in no shape after to fight him does not mean was not a confrontation. It is still a confrontation if one person knocks the other out before the other person can punch him back. You have a twisted view on what confrontation means. The reality is the confrontation merely did not go how you wanted it to go.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:31 .

[Blueprotoss]

The Angry One wrote...

Well, blueprotoss is deliberately missing the point and dragoon is being as dishonest as humanly possible in his definition of "confrontation". Not much use continuing with these arguments is there.

I see you still flip the table when you're proven wrong.  The final confrontation with Bill in Kill Bill is similar to the final confrontation with TIM and Shepard.