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[DHKany]

By far my most used and my favorite weapon available in ME2. It had the highest DPS available (at least shotgun wise) and it was just fantastic on CQC characters. 
Unsuprisingly I was very excited when I saw the Scimitar for the first time in my Veteran Pack. 
Eagerly, I put it on my Vanguard and proceeded to a Silver match...... and was very disappointed.

It was mediocre vs ground troops and did nothing vs bosses. Not to mention its terrible accuracy and its completely inferior damage vs every other shotgun in the game. 

It's only saving grace from being utterly trash was the ROF which made it 4th last in terms of DPS in the shotgun. 

But it still had it's niche as being the shotgun with the highest ROF and the highest Capacity....... until the Piranha came along. 

A shotgun which does 26 points more damage at I compared to the Scimitar X per pellet. Not to mention its 50% higher firerate, 100% more accuracy (STATS BAR. I know it isn't correct but still) , superior capacity etc. etc.

At this point the Scimitar went from limited niche, into the trash can of shame where the Raptor, Incisor, GPR and many other weapons are right now. 


I loved this gun in ME2 and I want to love it in ME3, but it's impossible now.

So many buffs are needed for this gun to even compare to the Piranha, let alone any shotgun, because as of right now it is semi decent at best. 

But for starters, a ROF increase to make it have the highest ROF shotgun in the game would be a good start. 

EDIT: Creds to Cyonan's Weapons Spreadsheet. Some good stuff. 
           Creds to Blind2Society for the awesome Sig

Modifié par DHKany, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:45 .

[mybudgee]

I use it as a sidearm occasionally, but yes it has been castrated..

[IllusiveManJr]

I never tried out the Scimitar in ME2. Usually used the GPS or Eviscerator.

[Draining Dragon]

It's probably the lightest shotgun. You should take that into consideration.

[DHKany]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I never tried out the Scimitar in ME2. Usually used the GPS or Eviscerator.

Try it on a vanguard.

Glory is to be had. 

[Grunt_Platform]

Scimitar needs more love but... did you just say the Piranha is more accurate than something? The gun has the widest spread of anything in the game, and seems specially coded to place each and every pellet as far away from the crosshairs as possible.

This gives it a really predictable spread, but it also means it's usually doing only half its listed damage, except point blank range or when used with heavy accuracy boosts.

Modifié par EvanKester, 07 septembre 2012 - 10:40 .

[DHKany]

Draining Dragon wrote...

It's probably the lightest shotgun. You should take that into consideration.

Any recharge speed that is 150% + you shouldn't notice ANY difference.

and the Piranha reaches a solid 170%. The Scimitar reaches 190%. 

Honestly why would you ever choose the scimitar over the Piranha. 

[quack123]

give it a super high ROF.

[Tallgeese_VII]

I was going to try solo bronze with Destroyer with Scimitar just to see if it qualifies as poorman`s Piranha. It should be interesting.. at least..

[DHKany]

EvanKester wrote...

Scimitar needs more love but... did you just say the Piranha is more accurate than something? The gun has the widest spread of anything in the game, and seems specially coded to place each and every pellet as far away from the crosshairs as possible.

This gives it a really predictable spread, but it also means it's usually doing only half its listed damage, except point blank range.

According to Cyonan's spreasheet the Scimitar has half of the Piranha's accuracy.

and the point blanc Piranha has been dismissed.

Many times. 

[Rokayt]

I see absolutely no reason why the scimitar should be weaker then the Tempest, both require you to take equal amounts of risk, but the Scimitar takes twice as much weight out of your capacity, and does half as much.
(And due to range issues, actually is significantly more risky to use.)

Draining Dragon wrote...

It's probably the lightest shotgun. You should take that into consideration.

This is False.

It also competes with the Eviscerator.

The Desciple weighs 60% of the scimitars weight.

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 septembre 2012 - 10:42 .

[DHKany]

Rokayt wrote...

I see absolutely no reason why the scimitar should be weaker then the tempest, both require you to take equal amounts of risk, but the scimitar takes twice as much weight out of your capacity, and does half as much.

at half the range. 

[mybudgee]

try the scimitar & Harrier on the N7 destroyer

[quack123]

mybudgee wrote...

try the scimitar & Harrier on the N7 destroyer

scimitar still isn't anything special on the destroyer.

[DHKany]

mybudgee wrote...

try the scimitar & Harrier on the N7 destroyer

Its Semi Decent.

Semi. 
Semi. 

[Rokayt]

DHKany wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

I see absolutely no reason why the scimitar should be weaker then the tempest, both require you to take equal amounts of risk, but the scimitar takes twice as much weight out of your capacity, and does half as much.

at half the range. 

The Tempests range is argueably just as limited due to recoil.

However, Much more can be done about recoil on the Tempest then can be done weight on the scimitar.

[Grunt_Platform]

DHKany wrote...

EvanKester wrote...

Scimitar needs more love but... did you just say the Piranha is more accurate than something? The gun has the widest spread of anything in the game, and seems specially coded to place each and every pellet as far away from the crosshairs as possible.

This gives it a really predictable spread, but it also means it's usually doing only half its listed damage, except point blank range.

According to Cyonan's spreasheet the Scimitar has half of the Piranha's accuracy.

and the point blanc Piranha has been dismissed.

Many times. 

Yeah, I've used it with Destroyers and turian soldiers. It's a beast of a gun and it outclasses the Scimitar even when it's doing only half damage per shot, due to its great fire rate.

As for the accuracy on Cyonan's sheet... If you're looking at stat bar accuracy, that's meaningless. If you're looking at aim error, larger numbers are worse. Fire the Piranha at a wall, then repeat the experiment with the Scimitar, THEN tell me the Piranha's more accurate.

Every other thing you mentioned about the Piranha is correct. The difference between 90% and 70% weight doesn't outdo its much greater damage and significantly better rate of fire (150 for the Piranha and 100 for the Scimitar if I recall). The Scimitar is underpowered and the Piranha's probably a bit overpowered. And heck, the Piranha's terrible accuracy is an asset against large clusters of enemies. But it still has the worst spread of any Shotgun.

[DHKany]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Oh another one of these threads.

Your Avatar is win.

But this thread is made from the deepest wells of love in my heart. 

FOR THE SCIMITARRR!

[N7 Whiskey]

While I'll agree it needs a buff (damage,RoF & mag capacity to 10) it is rather effective with Marksman & Devastator Mode on Gold.

[Rokayt]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Oh another one of these threads.

These threads are totally valid uses of forum space.

[Miniditka77]

DHKany wrote...

EvanKester wrote...

Scimitar needs more love but... did you just say the Piranha is more accurate than something? The gun has the widest spread of anything in the game, and seems specially coded to place each and every pellet as far away from the crosshairs as possible.

This gives it a really predictable spread, but it also means it's usually doing only half its listed damage, except point blank range.

According to Cyonan's spreasheet the Scimitar has half of the Piranha's accuracy.

and the point blanc Piranha has been dismissed.

Many times. 

It doesn't.  The Piranha's accuracy is terrible, and it seems like it's not only inaccurate (which would be a wide, random spread), but it actually puts all the pellets around a circle at the maximum spread with nothing in the middle.  Without a smart choke and Geth/Marksman/Destroyer accuracy bonuses, you're doing probably half the listed DPS because only half your pellets are hititng outside 5 feet.

Still, I share your love for  the ME2 Scimitar (at least on a Vanguard).  A Charge followed by a Scimitar barrage would put down just about anything.  I actually just tried the Scimitar out on a Silver game this week for the first time in a long time, and it was beyond horrible.  Honestly, it felt like I wasn't doing any damage at all, almost to the point where I was wondering if lagging was causing me to miss.

[Rokayt]

Umm. For the Reference.... Accuracy is determined by a good 12 something stats.

Determining a guns accuracy from a spread sheet is something for expert eyes only.

[MajorStupidity]

Put the damage just under the piranha and decrease the spread, the lower RoF and damage are compensated by the fact that the scimitar has better accuracy and weighs less.

Probably should increase the weight on the piranha but that is an argument for another day.

Modifié par MajorStupidity, 07 septembre 2012 - 10:55 .

[DHKany]

Rokayt wrote...

Umm. For the Reference.... Accuracy is determined by a good 12 something stats.

Determining a guns accuracy from a spread sheet is something for expert eyes only.

Just was looking at stat sheet accuracy.

But either way, both guns' accuracy is terrible.