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corporal doody wrote...

i like the scimitar. i had never used it till a friend suggested i try it. fired semi auto....it can be fired as fast as the piranha...has greater accuracy at range...and a nice punch.

choke and extended barrel with ap ammo...hmm...

used it on gold as a backup weapon with good results....will try as only weapon on gold and see how it goes.

i usually rock the disciple. then again...i only rock the disciple on my asari justicar...mhmmmm so sexy together.


1st no, the highest firerate achievable with manually clicking the scimitar, is consistently surpassed by the Piranha, autmatically.
2nd It does the lowest damage per shot, and has the 4th slowest DPS in the shotgun category (sub 500)
3rd WHY

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It's probably the lightest shotgun. You should take that into consideration.


Wasn't Disciple the lightest shotgun?

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kipac wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

It's probably the lightest shotgun. You should take that into consideration.


Wasn't Disciple the lightest shotgun?


it is. 

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DHKany wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

i like the scimitar. i had never used it till a friend suggested i try it. fired semi auto....it can be fired as fast as the piranha...has greater accuracy at range...and a nice punch.

choke and extended barrel with ap ammo...hmm...

used it on gold as a backup weapon with good results....will try as only weapon on gold and see how it goes.

i usually rock the disciple. then again...i only rock the disciple on my asari justicar...mhmmmm so sexy together.


1st no, the highest firerate achievable with manually clicking the scimitar, is consistently surpassed by the Piranha, autmatically.
2nd It does the lowest damage per shot, and has the 4th slowest DPS in the shotgun category (sub 500)
3rd WHY


1) you dont tell me no
2) MATH BE DAMNED!
3) BEcause

the following took place a few hours ago.

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corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

i like the scimitar. i had never used it till a friend suggested i try it. fired semi auto....it can be fired as fast as the piranha...has greater accuracy at range...and a nice punch.

choke and extended barrel with ap ammo...hmm...

used it on gold as a backup weapon with good results....will try as only weapon on gold and see how it goes.

i usually rock the disciple. then again...i only rock the disciple on my asari justicar...mhmmmm so sexy together.


1st no, the highest firerate achievable with manually clicking the scimitar, is consistently surpassed by the Piranha, autmatically.
2nd It does the lowest damage per shot, and has the 4th slowest DPS in the shotgun category (sub 500)
3rd WHY


1) you dont tell me no
2) MATH BE DAMNED!
3) BEcause

the following took place a few hours ago.

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no.1 is statistically impossible, even with 35% ROF bonuses.
no.2 MATH SPEAKS THE TRUTH
no.3 Randoms be Randoms. 

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DHKany wrote...

no.3 Randoms be Randoms. 



so what are you trying to say?

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corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

no.3 Randoms be Randoms. 



so what are you trying to say?


Playing and scoring high with Randoms isn't too hard.
Especially with a class like the Human Soldier. 

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DHKany wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

no.3 Randoms be Randoms. 



so what are you trying to say?


Playing and scoring high with Randoms isn't too hard.
Especially with a class like the Human Soldier. 


WOW!!  WOW!!!

buddy...

how bout you run around with the scimitar against a couple infiltrators playing aggressively.

RANDOM OR NO!  

i can freaking do it with a Drell Adept if you like..with my friends or randoms...i dont give ah crap!


you sound like you wanna ****** all over the weapon in the hopes BW takes pity. 


edit...reason i picked the human soldier..so there would be no doubt it was about the weapon and not powers

Modifié par corporal doody, 10 septembre 2012 - 01:31 .


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The Scimitar isn't a terrible weapon in absolute terms, it's just outclassed by most of the other shotguns, many of which are of similar weight and just as easy to acquire.

It could use a bit of a damage buff to make it more competitive with the other shotguns, but nothing too major.

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corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

no.3 Randoms be Randoms. 



so what are you trying to say?


Playing and scoring high with Randoms isn't too hard.
Especially with a class like the Human Soldier. 


WOW!!  WOW!!!

buddy...

how bout you run around with the scimitar against a couple infiltrators play aggressively.

RANDOM OR NO!  

i can freaking do it with a Drell Adept if you like..with my friends or randoms...i dont give ah crap!


you sound like you wanna ****** all over the weapon in the hopes BW takes pity. 


no need to overreact. 
Human Soldier already give the Scimitar a close to 1000 damage per shot every 2 seconds with gear and amp.
You can say aggresive infiltrators all you want., still doesn't change the fact that the Human Soldier is one of the best weapons platforms available in the game. 
So do it with a Drell Adept, won't change my view of the gun. Not at all. I dont give a crap either.

I don't want to ****** all over the weapon. Bioware already did that. 
Now they need to clean to ****** off of it. 

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vonSlash wrote...

The Scimitar isn't a terrible weapon in absolute terms, it's just outclassed by most of the other shotguns, many of which are of similar weight and just as easy to acquire.

It could use a bit of a damage buff to make it more competitive with the other shotguns, but nothing too major.


Make it have a 700-800 DPS and I'll be fine. 

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DHKany wrote...


no need to overreact. 
Human Soldier already give the Scimitar a close to 1000 damage per shot every 2 seconds with gear and amp.
You can say aggresive infiltrators all you want., still doesn't change the fact that the Human Soldier is one of the best weapons platforms available in the game. 
So do it with a Drell Adept, won't change my view of the gun. Not at all. I dont give a crap either.

I don't want to ****** all over the weapon. Bioware already did that. 
Now they need to clean to ****** off of it. 



overreact?  i took what you said as an insult....it was a dismissive remark.

OH SURE...do good with a weapon...only reason you did good cuz you used a certain class....and randoms? pfft...quarian infiltrators with indras running around? BIG DEAL...


ANY BODY CAN DO GOOD WITH THE SCIMITAR IF THEY USE A HUMAN SOLDIER.....

funny we dont see more of them

Modifié par corporal doody, 10 septembre 2012 - 01:35 .


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Thats because the Piranha exists which ****s all over the Scimitar.
Thats why we don't see them more.

What's the point you're trying to make anyway? Scimitar is a Good Weapon?

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DHKany wrote...

Thats because the Piranha exists which ****s all over the Scimitar.
Thats why we don't see them more.

What's the point you're trying to make anyway? Scimitar is a Good Weapon?



yes...the scimitar is a good weapon. People dont like it cuz...like the raptor...you need alittle skill!

use the Piranha? Cruise Control Initiated!

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corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Thats because the Piranha exists which ****s all over the Scimitar.
Thats why we don't see them more.

What's the point you're trying to make anyway? Scimitar is a Good Weapon?



yes...the scimitar is a good weapon. People dont like it cuz...like the raptor...you need alittle skill!

use the Piranha? Cruise Control Initiated!


They don't require skill. They require breaking your mouse, to only be outdone by a shotgun that is almost just as easy to level up, deals extreme damage all automatically. 

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DHKany wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Thats because the Piranha exists which ****s all over the Scimitar.
Thats why we don't see them more.

What's the point you're trying to make anyway? Scimitar is a Good Weapon?



yes...the scimitar is a good weapon. People dont like it cuz...like the raptor...you need alittle skill!

use the Piranha? Cruise Control Initiated!


They don't require skill. They require breaking your mouse, to only be outdone by a shotgun that is almost just as easy to level up, deals extreme damage all automatically. 



so what you are saying is  want the scimitar on the same par as the piranha?

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corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Thats because the Piranha exists which ****s all over the Scimitar.
Thats why we don't see them more.

What's the point you're trying to make anyway? Scimitar is a Good Weapon?



yes...the scimitar is a good weapon. People dont like it cuz...like the raptor...you need alittle skill!

use the Piranha? Cruise Control Initiated!


They don't require skill. They require breaking your mouse, to only be outdone by a shotgun that is almost just as easy to level up, deals extreme damage all automatically. 



so what you are saying is  want the scimitar on the same par as the piranha?


Skill wise yes. Point and click.
Piranha only does it 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
times better. 

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DHKany wrote...

Skill wise yes. Point and click.
Piranha only does it 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
times better. 


huh...with that..my time in this thread is done.

i wish you all the best getting the Scimitar buffed to the point that makes you happy.

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corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Skill wise yes. Point and click.
Piranha only does it 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
times better. 


huh...with that..my time in this thread is done.

i wish you all the best getting the Scimitar buffed to the point that makes you happy.


thank you.
For not being a B***h either. 

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corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Thats because the Piranha exists which ****s all over the Scimitar.
Thats why we don't see them more.

What's the point you're trying to make anyway? Scimitar is a Good Weapon?



yes...the scimitar is a good weapon. People dont like it cuz...like the raptor...you need alittle skill!

use the Piranha? Cruise Control Initiated!


If that was the case, though, skilled players would prefer the Scimitar to the Piranha, and they don't. The Scimitar might not suck, but its performance is far enough below the Piranha's that effectiveness overrides personal preference for anyone who's concerned about efficiency.

Personally, I like it more than the Piranha, but won't use it on account of hating the reload animation.

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vonSlash wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Thats because the Piranha exists which ****s all over the Scimitar.
Thats why we don't see them more.

What's the point you're trying to make anyway? Scimitar is a Good Weapon?



yes...the scimitar is a good weapon. People dont like it cuz...like the raptor...you need alittle skill!

use the Piranha? Cruise Control Initiated!


If that was the case, though, skilled players would prefer the Scimitar to the Piranha, and they don't. The Scimitar might not suck, but its performance is far enough below the Piranha's that effectiveness overrides personal preference for anyone who's concerned about efficiency.

Personally, I like it more than the Piranha, but won't use it on account of hating the reload animation.


this too. 

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Am currently running scimitar and phalanx on my destroyer. After countless trials I have discovered I play better with scimitar than any other (light)shotgun. The piranha's spread and capacity are nice but too much spread. power and shedder mod more than facilitate crowd control and also accommodate other encounters.

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I notice a difference of as little as 190% vs 200% on biotic charge so to me 150% is way slow.


Heh, I find it funny sometimes when people argue that the difference between 150 and over is meaningless.  In individual encounters it may be, but over the course of the game a .2 second difference can actually make up a large amount of damage.  Variance on map, larger more open maps have less of an issue since travel time for the powers to hit become a factor.

On weapon based classes, yeah.  On power based classes it can be a big difference.

One thing most people agree on from what I've seen is that a fury with a pirahna is near impossible to beat on the score board.  Yet I've seen my friend do it consistently all day long and the people he beat weren't neccessarily bad players.  How? Easy he runs at 200%, always.  A simple .5 second delay on all your powers might not be noticable, but its a 1 second delay between each BE and over the course of a 25 minute(or more) game this can be a sigifnicant difference.

Ofcourse if your glacier speed running its neglible for the fact well, it just doesn't add up as much, but over time it becomes a larger and larger whole for power based classes.

Sxt701 wrote...

Am currently running scimitar and phalanx
on my destroyer. After countless trials I have discovered I play better
with scimitar than any other (light)shotgun. The piranha's spread and
capacity are nice but too much spread. power and shedder mod more than
facilitate crowd control and also accommodate other encounters.


This is a factor most people don't figure in when they stare at spreadsheets.  A pirahna pretty much is mandatory that you put a choker on it, this cuts 25% damage off of using an extended barrel instead.  You can use an extended barrel and a choker, but than the gun gets significantly less useful against armor.

The problem with the scimitar is that it gets outclassed in every way even the little niche it fills by an eviscerator or a talon.  But not really going to go into either.

Though looking at a spreadsheet means nothing really, According to the spreadsheet a revenant has a higher sustained dps than a Tempest, by quite a bit.  This is actually false, if you use it with the right mods aswell.  I'm not entirely sure what formula was used and what measure of time was used to determine this though.
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corporal doody wrote...

yes...the scimitar is a good weapon. People dont like it cuz...like the raptor...you need alittle skill!

use the Piranha? Cruise Control Initiated!


Skill? They are not projectile weapons, they're hitscan, they riquire no more skill than any other hitscan weapon. You point and shoot. The difference is how long it takes to kill.

And the point he was making about randoms is an obvious one that you should be well aware of. It is quite clear that two people in that game weren't doing much which means that many more enemies to kill using a gun on a class that can make crap weapons effective.

Yesterday I played a couple matches with the scimitar on an HI and I did really well but that doesn't mean the gun is where it should be. It just means I was using it on a a class that makes crap weapons effective.

That said, an entire match and the score at the end isn't the what we should be looking at to see if a gun is where it should be. A far better indicator is someone with said gun (on a class with no extra bonuses) one on one vs a multitude of different enemies. How effective that gun is in taking those enemies down is what one should look at.

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The Scimitar and raptor..... Are far weaker then almost all Comparable weapons to them.

The Raptor is half the mattock.

The Scimitar is far weaker, and less accurate then the Tempest.