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[Asebstos]

Heggy wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Here's a question, how does Incendiary ammo interact with the Kishock's DOT?

That is interesting, since the incendiary DoT is supposed to be a % of the base damage. Is it a % of the total base I wonder, or only the on hit damage.

For extra lulz how about a Kishock with Incendiary Ammo against a Warped target.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Regarding the Warp tests, were they done from the same caster? Does it react differently when Warp is cast from two sources, as opposed to the same source (if it were cast in the exact same time frame)?

[peddroelm]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Regarding the Warp tests, were they done from the same caster? Does it react differently when Warp is cast from two sources, as opposed to the same source (if it were cast in the exact same time frame)?

All of my tests so far were solo tests.. (on host  - no additional warp source) ... 

Asebstos wrote...

Heggy wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

Here's a question, how does Incendiary ammo interact with the Kishock's DOT?

That is interesting, since the incendiary DoT is supposed to be a % of the base damage. Is it a % of the total base I wonder, or only the on hit damage.

For extra lulz how about a Kishock with Incendiary Ammo against a Warped target.

 


Will do some tests on the matter ... Might even do them today ...

[Asebstos]

peddroelmz wrote...


Will do some tests on the matter ... Might even do them today ...

Awesome, I eagerly await the results.

[Crocodiles]

Does the Juticar's Warp Bubble also affect Incendiary ammo?

[peddroelm]

Crocodiles wrote...

Does the Juticar's Warp Bubble also affect Incendiary ammo?

We'll see ... Nice ideea..

[Mad Scientist]

So much effort wasted. Really tried my best to read it but you lost me on 2nd paragraph. Not sure what you're trying to say here by throwing a bunch of numbers at us. You also didn't mention if you used expose for your rank 5 warp evolution because I suspect it buffs incendiary ammo effect as well as powers.

[peddroelm]

Mad Scientist wrote...

... expose for your rank 5 warp evolution because I suspect it buffs incendiary ammo effect as well as powers...

You suspect wrong ... Expose doen't affect ammo consumable damage ...

Paladin shot with warp debuff

10617.187500 632.8125  Warp impact damage
10605.058594 12.128906 Warp Dot ticks
10592.929688 12.128906
10580.800781 12.128906
10568.671875 12.128906
10430.582031 138.089844 (ammo damage = 460.3 * 0.3 = 138.09 WARP Does NOT APPLY TO AMMO POWER DAMAGE)
9613.847656 816.734375 (weapon damage 460.3 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.3) * 1.15 - 30 * (1 - 0.5) * (1 - 0.75) = 816.73475 applies same as other debuffs) 



Also -some people get it, some don't and most just don't care ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 12 septembre 2012 - 12:42 .

[Tchu Tchu Tchu Paaaa]

I am still trying to learn english.... after that I will pass to the numbers.

[peddroelm]

 Asari Justicar Tests (Bubble Debuff , Warp , Reave , Kishok) 

Conclusions

- Biotic Bubble debuff (damage bonus) applies to ammo power, weapon damage , power damage (including combos (BE//TB)) & melee attacks...
- repeated reave casts stack without weird interaction
- justicar rank 5 +15% power damage is BUGGED - does nothing
- NO interaction between incendiary ammo DOT and Kishock DOT
- NO interaction between incendiary ammo DOT and Reave DOT
- NO suspect interaction between incendiary ammo and Bubble WARP (past regular incendiary stack bug) - also gets the * 1.25 damage bonus ...

Conclusion - Kishock is a poor weapon choice for using Incendiary Weapon on a Justicar Bubble .. A faster firing weapon is required to take advantage of incendiary ammo's special properties ...


- Updated Kishock Damage Formula with the new percentages

BaseWeaponDamage * AmmoPowerMod + // ammo power damage
BaseWeaponDamage * 0.666 * ChargeMod * (1+ sum of weapon damage mods)*HSmod+ // weapon impact damage
BaseWeaponDamage * 0.334 * ChargeMod * HSmod // DOT bleed damage - 10 seconds - 20 damage ticks

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990 max shields

Kishok X 968.1 based damage
(1.75 full charge modifier 0.67% IMPACT 0.33% as DOT)
extended barrel 25% WD (weapon damage)

Consumables - AP ammo III (30% ammo damage ; 75% armor pierce)
Gear - Adaptive WarAmp V (15% Biotic Damage)

Powers

Biotic Sphere Radius, Enemy Weakness, Warp Effect (50 DPS , 25% armor weakening)
Reave 100 * (1+0.3) 8 seconds duration // 40% damage reduction

Passive 27.5 % WD
15% PD (rank V)


Test Subject

Gold Geth Prime

16875 armor
11812 shield (5906 on recharge)


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Reave vs Armor

Remaining Armor HP: 16766.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16657.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16548.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16440.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16331.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16222.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16113.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16005.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15896.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15787.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15678.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15570.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15461.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15352.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15243.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15135.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000


100 * (1 + 0.3 + 0.15 + 0.15) * 1.5 * 0.5 = 120 NOT OK
// Justicar Rank 5 Power Damage doesn't affect Reave - CONFIRMED

100 * (1 + 0.3 + 0.15) * 1.5 * 0.5 = 108.75 OK
Reave hits in 2 ticks per second at half the calculated damage per second ...

16 ticks for 8 second duration ...



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Reave stack test


Reave + Reave + Reave


Remaining Armor HP: 16766.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16657.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16548.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16440.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16331.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16222.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16113.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 16005.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15896.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15787.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15678.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15570.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15461.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15352.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15243.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15135.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 15026.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 14917.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 14808.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 14700.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 14591.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 14482.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 14373.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 14265.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 14156.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 14047.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 13938.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 13830.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 13721.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 13612.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 13503.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 13395.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 13286.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 13177.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 13068.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 12960.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 12851.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 12742.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 12633.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 12525.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 12416.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 12307.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 12198.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 12090.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 11981.250000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 11872.500000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 11763.750000 Damage Received: 108.750000
Remaining Armor HP: 11655.000000 Damage Received: 108.750000


100 * (1 + 0.3 + 0.15) * 1.5 * 0.5 = 108.75 OK
Reave hits in 2 ticks per second at half the calculated damage per second ...


8 * 2 * 3 = 48 damage ticks ... Reave casts stack and don't interact with each other...



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Biotic Bubble Warp (bubble Warp)

Remaining Armor HP: 16760.000000 Damage Received: 115.00000
// bubble does damage on impact/cast 100*(1+0.15) =115

Remaining Armor HP: 16706.093750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16652.187500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16598.281250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16544.375000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16490.468750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16436.562500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16382.656250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16328.750000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16274.843750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16220.937500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16167.031250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16113.125000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16059.218750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16005.312500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15951.406250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15897.500000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15843.593750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15789.687500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15735.781250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15681.875000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15627.968750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15574.062500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15520.156250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15466.250000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 15412.343750 Damage Received: 53.906250

50 * (1 + 0.15) * 1.5 * 1.25 * 0.5 = 53.90625

/// The 25% bubble debuff applies to bubble warp DOT
/// The 15% Power Damage from rank 5 passive does nothing for warp damage
/// As most DOTs Bubble Warp applies its damage in 2 ticks per second ...




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bubble warp + reave


Remaining Armor HP: 16821.093750 Damage Received: 53.906250
//bubble warp dot tick 50 * (1 + 0.15) * 1.5 * 1.25 * 0.5 = 53.90625 OK

Remaining Armor HP: 16767.187500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16713.281250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16659.375000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16605.468750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16551.562500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16497.656250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16443.750000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16389.843750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16335.937500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16282.031250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16228.125000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 16174.218750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 14064.843750 Damage Received: 2109.375000
//BE on armor 100 * 3.375 * (1 + ((6 + 6 - 2) * 0.15)) * 2 * 1.25 = 2109.375 OK
(gets the 25% extra damage in bubble bonus)

Remaining Armor HP: 14010.937500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 13875.000000 Damage Received: 135.937500
//Reave damage tick 100 * (1 + 0.3 + 0.15) * 1.5 * 0.5 * 1.25 = 135.9375 OK
also gets 25% extra damage in bubble bonus

Remaining Armor HP: 13821.093750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 13685.156250 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 13631.250000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 13495.312500 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 13441.406250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 13305.468750 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 13251.562500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 13115.625000 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 13061.718750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 12925.781250 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 12871.875000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 12735.937500 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 12682.031250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 12546.093750 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 12492.187500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 12356.250000 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 12302.343750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 12166.406250 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 12112.500000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 11976.562500 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 11922.656250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 11786.718750 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 11732.812500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 11596.875000 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 11542.968750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 11407.031250 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 11353.125000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 11217.187500 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 11163.281250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 11027.343750 Damage Received: 135.937500
Remaining Armor HP: 10973.437500 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 10919.531250 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 10865.625000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 10811.718750 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 10757.812500 Damage Received: 53.906250

16 reave ticks after BE as expected ...


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Kishok CHARGED shot

bubble debuff off

Remaining Armor HP: 16584.570313 Damage Received: 290.429687
// AP ammo III damage 968.1 * 0.3 = 290.43 (does not depend on charge level)


Remaining Armor HP: 14863.880859 Damage Received: 1720.689453
// Kishok Impact damage 968.1 * 0.666 * 1.75 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.275) = 1720.68884

Remaining Armor HP: 14835.587891 Damage Received: 28.292969
// Kishock DOT tick (968.1 * 0.334 * 1.75) / 20 = 28.2927225
// Dot component does NOT benefit from weapon damage bonuses

Remaining Armor HP: 14807.294922 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14779.001953 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14750.708984 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14722.416016 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14694.123047 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14665.830078 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14637.537109 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14609.244141 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14580.951172 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14552.658203 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14524.365234 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14496.072266 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14467.779297 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14439.486328 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14411.193359 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14382.900391 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14354.607422 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14326.314453 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14298.021484 Damage Received: 28.292969


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Kishock Charged Shot
+100% WD temporary Ammo pack

Remaining Armor HP: 15388.320313 Damage Received: 290.429688
//AP ammo damage OK

Remaining Armor HP: 12539.310547 Damage Received: 2849.009766
//968.1 * 0.666 * 1.75 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.275 + 1) = 2849.00939 OK

Remaining Armor HP: 12511.017578 Damage Received: 28.292969
///Same DOT tick - DOT component does not benefit from weapon bonuses

Remaining Armor HP: 12482.724609 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12454.431641 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12426.138672 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12397.845703 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12369.552734 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12341.259766 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12312.966797 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12284.673828 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12256.380859 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12228.087891 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12199.794922 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12171.501953 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12143.208984 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12114.916016 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12086.623047 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12058.330078 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12030.037109 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 12001.744141 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 11973.451172 Damage Received: 28.292969

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Warp + Kishock Charged Shot


Remaining Armor HP: 12418.421875 Damage Received: 363.037109
//AP ammo damage 968.1 * 0.3 * 1.25 = 363.0375 OK gets bubble damage bonus

Remaining Armor HP: 10267.560547 Damage Received: 2150.861328
// kishock impact damage 968.1 * 0.666 * 1.75 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.275) * 1.25 = 2150.86105 OK
// (gets the bubble damage bonus)

Remaining Armor HP: 10213.654297 Damage Received: 53.906250
//Bubble warp dot tick - OK

Remaining Armor HP: 10178.288086 Damage Received: 35.366211
//Kishock DOT tick ((968.1 * 0.334 * 1.75) / 20) * 1.25 = 35.3659031 OK
//kisock DOT ticks get the buble damage bonus

Remaining Armor HP: 10124.381836 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 10089.015625 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 10035.109375 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9999.743164 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9945.836914 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9910.470703 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9856.564453 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9821.198242 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9767.291992 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9731.925781 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9678.019531 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9642.653320 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9588.747070 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9553.380859 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9499.474609 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9464.108398 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9410.202148 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9374.835938 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9320.929688 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9285.563477 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9231.657227 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9196.291016 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9142.384766 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9107.018555 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 9053.112305 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 9017.746094 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 8963.839844 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 8928.473633 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 8874.567383 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 8839.201172 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 8785.294922 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 8749.928711 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 8696.022461 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 8660.656250 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 8606.750000 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 8571.383789 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 8517.477539 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 8482.111328 Damage Received: 35.366211
Remaining Armor HP: 8428.205078 Damage Received: 53.906250
Remaining Armor HP: 8374.298828 Damage Received: 53.906250



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Changed Gear Slot Densified Ammunition V 12% WD
Changed Consumable Incendiary ammo IV


Kishock Charged up damage vs armor



Remaining Armor HP: 15018.913086 Damage Received: 1856.08691
//Charged up damage vs armor 968.1 * 0.666 * 1.75 * (1 + 0.25 + 0.275 + 0.12) = 1856.0873 OK

Remaining Armor HP: 14938.238281 Damage Received: 80.674805
//Non-Bugged Incendiary ammo damage tick (968.1 * 0.5) / 6 = 80.675 OK

Remaining Armor HP: 14909.945313 Damage Received: 28.292969
//Kishock DOT tick Kishock DOT tick (968.1 * 0.334 * 1.75) / 20 = 28.2927225 OK

Remaining Armor HP: 14829.270508 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 14800.977539 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14720.302734 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 14692.009766 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14611.334961 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 14583.041992 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14502.367188 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 14474.074219 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14393.399414 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 14365.106445 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14336.813477 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14308.520508 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14280.227539 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14251.934570 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14223.641602 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14195.348633 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14167.055664 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14138.762695 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14110.469727 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14082.176758 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14053.883789 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 14025.590820 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 13997.297852 Damage Received: 28.292969
Remaining Armor HP: 13969.004883 Damage Received: 28.292969

6 incendiary ammo damage ticks
20 kishock damage ticks - no interaction


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Reave + incendiary


Success.
Remaining Armor HP: 16777.500000 Damage Received: 97.500000
// OK Reave damage tick 100 * (1 + 0.3) * 1.5 * 0.5 = 97.5 OK

Remaining Armor HP: 16680.000000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 16582.500000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 16485.000000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 16387.500000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 16290.000000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 16192.500000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 16095.000000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 15997.500000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 15900.000000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 15802.500000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 15705.000000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 15607.500000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 15510.000000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 15412.500000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 15315.000000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 15217.500000 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 13698.165039 Damage Received: 1519.334961
// kishok impact damage

Remaining Armor HP: 13600.665039 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 13519.990234 Damage Received: 80.674805
// Unbugged Incendiary DOT tick

Remaining Armor HP: 13496.831055 Damage Received: 23.159180
// kishock DOT tick

Remaining Armor HP: 13399.331055 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 13318.656250 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 13295.497070 Damage Received: 23.159180
Remaining Armor HP: 13197.997070 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 13117.322266 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 13094.163086 Damage Received: 23.159180
Remaining Armor HP: 12996.663086 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 12915.988281 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 12892.829102 Damage Received: 23.159180
Remaining Armor HP: 12795.329102 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 12714.654297 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 12691.495117 Damage Received: 23.159180
Remaining Armor HP: 12593.995117 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 12513.320313 Damage Received: 80.674805
Remaining Armor HP: 12490.161133 Damage Received: 23.159180
Remaining Armor HP: 12392.661133 Damage Received: 97.500000
Remaining Armor HP: 12369.501953 Damage Received: 23.159180


NO interaction between incendiary ammo & reave

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(5906 - 5703 = 203) light melee attack without debuff

Bubble Warp + Kishock + kishock + kishock ...

Remaining Armor HP: 16828.125000 Damage Received: 46.875000
//Warp DOT Tick

Remaining Armor HP: 16781.250000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16734.375000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16687.500000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16640.625000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16593.750000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16546.875000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16500.000000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16453.125000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16406.250000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16359.375000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16312.500000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16265.625000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16218.750000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 16171.875000 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 14628.587891 Damage Received: 1543.287109
// Kishock uncharged impact

Remaining Armor HP: 14581.712891 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 14480.869141 Damage Received: 100.843750
//Inciendiary DOT (*1.25) OK - all 6 discharge before next shot
//80.674805 * 1.25 = 100.843506
// NO interaction WITH WARP


Remaining Armor HP: 14457.344727 Damage Received: 23.524414
//kishock DOT tick ...OK


Remaining Armor HP: 14410.469727 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 14309.625977 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 14286.101563 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 14239.226563 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 14138.382813 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 14114.858398 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 14067.983398 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 13967.139648 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 13943.615234 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 13896.740234 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 13795.896484 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 13772.372070 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 13725.497070 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 13624.653320 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 13601.128906 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 13554.253906 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 13530.729492 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 13483.854492 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 13460.330078 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 13413.455078 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 12025.856445 Damage Received: 1387.598633
// Second Kishock shot (too late - previous incendiary chage discharged harmlesly)


Remaining Armor HP: 12002.332031 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 11955.457031 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 11854.613281 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 11833.461914 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 11809.937500 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 11763.062500 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 11662.218750 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 11641.067383 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 11617.542969 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 11570.667969 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 11469.824219 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 11448.672852 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 11425.148438 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 11378.273438 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 11277.429688 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 11256.278320 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 11232.753906 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 11185.878906 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 11085.035156 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 11063.883789 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 11040.359375 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 10993.484375 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 10892.640625 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 10871.489258 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 10847.964844 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 10801.089844 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 10779.938477 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 10756.414063 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 10709.539063 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 10688.387695 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 10664.863281 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 10617.988281 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 10596.836914 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 10573.312500 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 10526.437500 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 10505.286133 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 10481.761719 Damage Received: 23.524414
Remaining Armor HP: 10434.886719 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 10413.735352 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 10390.210938 Damage Received: 23.524414


Remaining Armor HP: 9014.102539 Damage Received: 1376.108398
//third kishock hit - same story - incendiary run out too fast


Remaining Armor HP: 8967.227539 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 8946.076172 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 8845.232422 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 8824.255859 Damage Received: 20.976563
Remaining Armor HP: 8777.380859 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 8756.229492 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 8655.385742 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 8634.409180 Damage Received: 20.976563
Remaining Armor HP: 8587.534180 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 8566.382813 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 8465.539063 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 8444.562500 Damage Received: 20.976563
Remaining Armor HP: 8397.687500 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 8376.536133 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 8275.692383 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 8254.715820 Damage Received: 20.976563
Remaining Armor HP: 8207.840820 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 8186.689453 Damage Received: 21.151367



Remaining Armor HP: 6729.662109 Damage Received: 1457.027344
//4-th kishock shot


Remaining Armor HP: 6406.771973 Damage Received: 322.890137
// BUGGED INCENDIARY DOT TICK - BUT IT IS only

Remaining Armor HP: 6385.795898 Damage Received: 20.976074
Remaining Armor HP: 6338.920898 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 6317.769531 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 6295.559570 Damage Received: 22.209961
Remaining Armor HP: 5972.669434 Damage Received: 322.890137
Remaining Armor HP: 5951.693359 Damage Received: 20.976074
Remaining Armor HP: 5904.818359 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 5883.666992 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 5861.457031 Damage Received: 22.209961
Remaining Armor HP: 5538.566895 Damage Received: 322.890137
Remaining Armor HP: 5517.590820 Damage Received: 20.976074
Remaining Armor HP: 5470.715820 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 5449.564453 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 5427.354492 Damage Received: 22.209961
Remaining Armor HP: 5104.464355 Damage Received: 322.890137
Remaining Armor HP: 5083.488281 Damage Received: 20.976074
Remaining Armor HP: 5036.613281 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 5015.461914 Damage Received: 21.151367
Remaining Armor HP: 4993.251953 Damage Received: 22.209961
Remaining Armor HP: 4670.361816 Damage Received: 322.890137
Remaining Armor HP: 4649.385742 Damage Received: 20.976074
Remaining Armor HP: 4602.510742 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 4580.300781 Damage Received: 22.209961
Remaining Armor HP: 4257.410645 Damage Received: 322.890137
Remaining Armor HP: 4236.434570 Damage Received: 20.976074
Remaining Armor HP: 4189.559570 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 4167.349609 Damage Received: 22.209961
Remaining Armor HP: 4146.373535 Damage Received: 20.976074
Remaining Armor HP: 4099.498535 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 4077.288818 Damage Received: 22.209717
Remaining Armor HP: 4056.312500 Damage Received: 20.976318
Remaining Armor HP: 4009.437500 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 3987.227783 Damage Received: 22.209717
Remaining Armor HP: 3966.251465 Damage Received: 20.976318
Remaining Armor HP: 3919.376465 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 3897.166748 Damage Received: 22.209717
Remaining Armor HP: 3876.190430 Damage Received: 20.976318

Remaining Armor HP: 2519.664551 Damage Received: 1356.525879
//5-th shot - incendiary expired again ....

Remaining Armor HP: 2472.789551 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 2450.579834 Damage Received: 22.209717
Remaining Armor HP: 2429.603516 Damage Received: 20.976318
Remaining Armor HP: 2328.759766 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 2308.082031 Damage Received: 20.677734
Remaining Armor HP: 2261.207031 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 2238.997314 Damage Received: 22.209717
Remaining Armor HP: 2218.020996 Damage Received: 20.976318
Remaining Armor HP: 2117.177246 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 2096.499512 Damage Received: 20.677734
Remaining Armor HP: 2049.624512 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 2027.414795 Damage Received: 22.209717
Remaining Armor HP: 2006.438477 Damage Received: 20.976318
Remaining Armor HP: 1905.594727 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 1884.916870 Damage Received: 20.677856
Remaining Armor HP: 1838.041870 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 1815.832153 Damage Received: 22.209717
Remaining Armor HP: 1794.855835 Damage Received: 20.976318
Remaining Armor HP: 1694.012085 Damage Received: 100.843750
Remaining Armor HP: 1673.334229 Damage Received: 20.677856
Remaining Armor HP: 1626.459229 Damage Received: 46.875000
Remaining Armor HP: 1604.249512 Damage Received: 22.209717

In order to keep Geth Prime in bubble - had to stay in melee range .. Many staggers and interruptions made almost impossible to stack incendiary ammo ...

NO special interaction between Bubble Warp and Incendiary ammo ... (regular incendiary ammo bug amplified by the *1.25 debuff) ..Kishock a rather poor choice for making best use of incendiary ammo's special stacking properties ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:05 .

[tinler]

How about incendiary ammo (or grenades) with ballistic blades? If not taking the exploding blades evolution, it can go on for 16 seconds. That's a lot of possible dot that incendiary can multiply.

[peddroelm]

tinler wrote...

How about incendiary ammo (or grenades) with ballistic blades? If not taking the exploding blades evolution, it can go on for 16 seconds. That's a lot of possible dot that incendiary can multiply.

I'll take a look but - with Dark Channel, Annihilation filed, Reave , Biotic Bubble Warp  & Kishock DOT component not interacting with incendiary DOT - at this point it looks it might be a incendiary ammo (with warp as the only potential catalist) thing...

There are still quite a few DOT effects to test ...(flamer, incinerate, balistic blades, carnage, inferno grenades, arc grenades , shadow strike ...)  ..

[PoopFeet]

This is tremendously old news.



Date posted: April 27th

[peddroelm]

PoopFeet wrote...

This is tremendously old news.



Date posted: April 27th

That video started my investigations on the matter ...At that point we only knew there was some bug involved ...The precise mechanics of it were subject to lots and lots of suppositions ...

Took me a while to figure out what and why it was happening ...

Some of my posts from that "era" ..

peddroelmz wrote...
...Questions - things to test... 

- Will this happen with a rank I Warp (no pierce//expose)  ?
- Will this happen with Reave//Incinerate//Other_DOT_sources  instead of Warp ?
- Will this happen if a high rof AR(WaterGun)/SMG(hurricane) is used to apply incendiary ammo instead of a shotgun on top of Warp(with pierce & expose) ?- Is the shotgun fire rate relevant (Talon, scimitar) compared with weapon base damage ?
- Will two graal uncharged shots do the same damage as 1 Graal charged shot (they should the only diffrence we have 12 sources of incendiary DOT vs 6 sources doing double damage) //  Was anybody using incediary ammo on Stardusk's Krogan sentinel video ? (ZHHk appears to have been using it...)
- Will this happen regardless of incendiary ammo rank ? 

peddroelmz wrote...
lone turian ...
10:51 brute almost 1 shot 11:03 Ravager 1 shot
 This is a turian sentinel. Claymore does not do that kind of damage on a turian sentinel ...

Warp Damage vs armor250 * 1.5 * (1 + 0.5 + 0.15) * 1.5 = 928.125
Incendiary ammo + Claymore X damage vs armor((206 * 0.3 * (1 + 0.15)) + (206 * (1 + 0.3 + 0.3) * 1.15) - (50 * (1 - 0.5) * (1 - 0.65))) * 8 = 3530.88 

Gold Brute has 9k Armor ... Where is the extra damage coming from ???!

And now we know

Modifié par peddroelmz, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:06 .

[NuclearTech76]

Can you guys maybe put together a comprehensive ammo and mod guide for dummies?

Also if you use overload on a warped enemy who has been shot with incendiary ammo, it seems to really put a halt on the DoT.

[peddroelm]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Can you guys maybe put together a comprehensive ammo and mod guide for dummies?

Also if you use overload on a warped enemy who has been shot with incendiary ammo, it seems to really put a halt on the DoT.

Ammo powers/mechanics are explained in the weapon damage formula ... Incendiary ammo beeing more tricky got a special thread (this one) .. Will test the overload thing eventually ...

[HiGamerCAT]

Thank you, Peddroelmz for all this work! This is good stuff!

[buthane22]

I'm not good with english, nor with numbers...
But I think I get understand most of it.
My conclusions are :
- You are way too talented to waste this on calculating ammo effects.
- I'll slap some incendiary ammo on all my warp-users

Thanks a lot Peddroelmz!

[Paigan]

No idea if this belongs in here, but i noticed that shooting scorpion shots with incendiary ammo at an armored target deals tremendous amounts of damage in my subjective impression. Like 8 shots (Destroyer) killing half the armor bar of a Geth Prime on gold.
And it kills everyhing around him, of course.

[peddroelm]

Paigan wrote...

No idea if this belongs in here, but i noticed that shooting scorpion shots with incendiary ammo at an armored target deals tremendous amounts of damage in my subjective impression. Like 8 shots (Destroyer) killing half the armor bar of a Geth Prime on gold.
And it kills everyhing around him, of course.

Incendiary stacking should work with most weapons ... In the case of the scorpion you would need hit the prime with the sticky projectiles ... 8 incendiary stacks should  do noticeable damage as long as base weapon damage is high enough ... But this would only affect the prime .. The other things around would only take "weapon" damage from the scorpion rounds explosions ... 

People don't usually run ammo consumables with scorpion due to the need to aim and hit the target for the effect to apply ... Shooting at the target's feet usually yields more immediate rewards ...

[NuclearTech76]

peddroelmz wrote...

Paigan wrote...

No idea if this belongs in here, but i noticed that shooting scorpion shots with incendiary ammo at an armored target deals tremendous amounts of damage in my subjective impression. Like 8 shots (Destroyer) killing half the armor bar of a Geth Prime on gold.
And it kills everyhing around him, of course.

Incendiary stacking should work with most weapons ... In the case of the scorpion you would need hit the prime with the sticky projectiles ... 8 incendiary stacks should  do noticeable damage as long as base weapon damage is high enough ... But this would only affect the prime .. The other things around would only take "weapon" damage from the scorpion rounds explosions ... 

People don't usually run ammo consumables with scorpion due to the need to aim and hit the target for the effect to apply ... Shooting at the target's feet usually yields more immediate rewards ...

Does the damage barrell increase the AOE damage of the scorpion?

[peddroelm]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Does the damage barrell increase the AOE damage of the scorpion?

Of course ...scorpion tests

Modifié par peddroelmz, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Makes me sad to find out the Kishock doesn't benefit from Incendiary as much as I had hoped. Thanks!

[ryoldschool]

Why does Warp often appears as the killer in the DOT feed (making warp the main bug suspect up tilll now ) ? Because warp killsteals it from incendiary by applying the last 0 damage DOT tick to the target that has been already killed by incendiary ...

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Well this information explains some of the events in my matches. I use the PPR with incendiary and I will take a boss down to like one bar left and then my squadmate will throw a warp at it and the kill feed says killed by warp.

This should make some of those point hogs take notice

[Emerald_Phoenix]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Makes me sad to find out the Kishock doesn't benefit from Incendiary as much as I had hoped. Thanks!

Agreed.