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[I am disappoint]

blacqout wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...


Tali gives no indication of been a Lesiban but you think it is justified to assume she is a lesiban.

This line sums up your view nicely. Perhaps homosexuals should all be made to wear special badges so they are more easily identified?

An NPC, just like an actual person, is not defined by their sexuality. You've seen in this thread that some gay players found themselves attracted to Garrus and wish that was option was available to them.

If in their game they could get their male Shepard to enter a relationship with them, in their game he would be gay. That wouldn't affect any playthrough made by yourself or a fellow homophobe.

Gay people are a minority, to assume by looking at females without asking about their sexual preferences that they're lesiban based on your personal evaluation is just ignorant and similar to bullying.
You're against people been solely straight/gay/lesiban, you're the homophobe here but you continue to call me the homophobe just because I don't believe everyone should be labelled as BI.

Which doesn't make any sense because you're the only one hating on people, I just think you should not make everyone BI as you want.

Modifié par I am disappoint, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[Transairion]

This was basically how it was done in Dragon Age II, and worked really well.

I don't see why you're putting so much emphasis on whether a character is straight or not. BioWare didn't. Their sexualities are scarcely touched upon.

If you lack the ability to view each playthrough as its own adventure - which, you know, it actually is - where things can unfold in ways they didn't previously, then Mass Effect might not be the series for you. Try Gears of War.

Scarely touched upon since this isn't a dating sim, but still there and mentioned. ME1 Ash/Kaiden turn down the threesome while Liara doesn't for a reason after all.

Each playthrough being it's own "adventure" doesn't change the fact you're literally suggesting that character should change their sexuality based on Shepard's gender. And unfortunatly when I do a repeat/new playthrough I look for the differences to last time to get all the content goodies, so yes if I romance Tali as a male I'll consider her straight: then I'll be confused if I romance her as a female and she goes for it, since that's kind of the opposite of the message she sent last playthrough.

Now do that for every other romance, and what you've got is a ship full of people who are apparently all canonically bisexual since they will sex up either Shepard. So everyone is basically Asari. There's basically a whole race of bisexuals in this game you think about it, Liara should be everything you need.

I haven't played Dragon Age and it doesn't seem like a good idea to do so from how you're describing it.

[Trikormadenadon]

blacqout wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Not a very good troll thread, OP. And it includes so many insults, what are you compensating for?

Alot apparently.

Too many insults? 

The people that protested the blonde female shepard were acting in a demonstrably misogynstic fashion. Is it an insult to call the sky blue?

The people that protested the original ending, ended up dumbing it down for me. Is it an insult to call water wet? 

The most insulting thing in this thread are the petty 'troll' jibes. If you geniunely believe that the only way someone could feel differently to you on a subject is because they want to rile up a web community, then you may have a mental illness. 

But if you liked the endings so much why did you get the EC? Sounds to me more like you dumbed your own ending down and are mad at yourself and are lashing out. No one forced you to download the EC ending....

[Trikormadenadon]

xsdob wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Then what about Liara? She's like ten years old in asari years. If we're going by her age and the average asari lifespan, that is.

No, she explicitly states that even in Asari years, she is an adult.

"Among the asari, I am still considered a child."

That I remember her saying quite clearly in ME1.

Actually I think she said "Among the Asari I am considered barely more than a child."

[Dazro]

Trikormadenadon wrote...

xsdob wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Then what about Liara? She's like ten years old in asari years. If we're going by her age and the average asari lifespan, that is.

No, she explicitly states that even in Asari years, she is an adult.

"Among the asari, I am still considered a child."

That I remember her saying quite clearly in ME1.

Actually I think she said "Among the Asari I am considered barely more than a child."

Oh dear, he said it slightly wrongly. MUST FIX IT - SOMEONE MAY BE MISINFORMED!!! D:

Modifié par Dazro, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:49 .

[blacqout]

Transairion wrote...

Now do that for every other romance, and what you've got is a ship full of people who are apparently all canonically bisexual since they will sex up either Shepard. So everyone is basically Asari. There's basically a whole race of bisexuals in this game you think about it, Liara should be everything you need.

I haven't played Dragon Age and it doesn't seem like a good idea to do so from how you're describing it.

Somehow i don't think that Liara, or the Asari, acts as much of a comfort for the homosexual male players out there who are unhappy their needs weren't met.

A lot of people didn't like the way Dragon Age handled its romances. They were largely derided as idiots by the wider gaming community. I remember David Laidlaw smacking some bigot down fairly hard - Kotaku made an article about it. 

Suffice it to say, if the fact that all four LI's can be romanced by a Hawke of any genre puts you off, you're something of a bigot yourself. Unless you choose to pursue Fenris as a male, you would never know he likes men. 

Your homophobic playthrough would not be affected, and as romances aren't canon, neither is Fenris' sexuality. There is no reason this couldn't have been applied to Mass Effect too - your canon argument is bogus because there is no canon.

'oh, in one playthrough the Rachni queen died, but in another she didn't... i'm so confused!" Ridiculous.

[blacqout]

Trikormadenadon wrote...

blacqout wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Not a very good troll thread, OP. And it includes so many insults, what are you compensating for?

Alot apparently.

Too many insults? 

The people that protested the blonde female shepard were acting in a demonstrably misogynstic fashion. Is it an insult to call the sky blue?

The people that protested the original ending, ended up dumbing it down for me. Is it an insult to call water wet? 

The most insulting thing in this thread are the petty 'troll' jibes. If you geniunely believe that the only way someone could feel differently to you on a subject is because they want to rile up a web community, then you may have a mental illness. 

But if you liked the endings so much why did you get the EC? Sounds to me more like you dumbed your own ending down and are mad at yourself and are lashing out. No one forced you to download the EC ending....

I liked the original ending, but that doesn't mean i did not find several aspects unsatisfactory. The additional dialogue with the Catalyst was needed.

[Trikormadenadon]

blacqout wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

blacqout wrote...

BioWare are pandering to all sorts of scum these days, and no longer taking the more enlightened views of me and my kind into consideration. That's a problem.

No offense, but if Bioware were to be taking your "enlightened" views as well as your atttitude into account, they probably wouldn't be around at this point. We don't need more Dragon Age 2 or terribad endings.

There was exactly one problem with Dragon Age II, and that was the extensive use of recycled environments. BioWare are accutely aware of this, and i would stake my life on it never happening to the same extent in future DA games. 

There was so much good about the game, that i geniunely pity those of you who are unable to look past a cosmetic flaw. With the exception of Jade Empire, it's the best story BW have penned, and the characterisation was awesome. 

Add to that, the recycled environments made sense in many cases. You went through the same areas of the city many times on different quests throughout the game. But I agree when you went to different places and they looked the same...

[thearbiter1337]

I'll give him a 3/10

At least he tried

[Dark_Caduceus]

This isn't the biggest tetcon, not even close.

try starting with thermal clips or something else that's blatantly obvious. not that it's hard to pick out shameless retcons in this game/games.

Edit: PS what you pointed out isn;t actually retroactive con tinuity. It's just poor/abrupt chracter development.

Modifié par Dark_Caduceus, 09 septembre 2012 - 03:53 .

[The Spamming Troll]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Do you even know what misogyny is?

the study of mice?

[Trikormadenadon]

blacqout wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

It doesn't matter what happens ingame, if that character is open to both sexes then that character is bi.
It doesn't matter if they don't show/tell the player they're bi, they're still bi.
So I'm a homophobic just because I don't believe every male in the world should be labeled as bi and free for the taking.
This isn't even about gay characters, you don't think their should not be any gay or straight characters, in fact you're homophobic one.

You are mistaken. My way of doing things would allow the player to decide the sexual orientation of each member of the pool of romanceable characters.

There is no 'canon romance' for Shepard, so there need not be any 'canon sexuality' for any of the LIs, unless a past relationship is a part of their backstory as it was for Thane. In thich case he would appear bisexual in the playthrough of a male Shepard that wished to romance him. 

The same for Garrus, considering his conversation with Shepard about QCC in ME2. However, if you don't pursue a romance with him, you are free to see him as strictly straight. Remember: no canon romances. 

Now, say you're playing a female and romance Tali. We don't know of any past relationships, so you would be justified in viewing her as a lesbian. 

Saying that Garrus would need to be seen as bisexual if someone romanced him is like saying the Rachni queen is killed in ME1, regardless of player choice.

Most of the crap you've been spouting in this thread I think is complete BS, but this I agree with. Romances should only depend on one thing...is the playable character interested?

If you romance Garrus as femshep, he's straight, if you romance him as manshep he's bisexual. The sexual orientation of a charcter would be determined only by the backstory and if you romance them. If you never romance Garrus as manshep...he'll turn out to be straight. If you do, he'll be bisexual. How you act in a single playthrough determines his sexual orientation, not how he acts over multiple playthroughs...multiple playthroughs are irrelevant to the story.

[Isichar]

8/10

Obviously quite a few people take this seriously.

[Trikormadenadon]

Dazro wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

xsdob wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Then what about Liara? She's like ten years old in asari years. If we're going by her age and the average asari lifespan, that is.

No, she explicitly states that even in Asari years, she is an adult.

"Among the asari, I am still considered a child."

That I remember her saying quite clearly in ME1.

Actually I think she said "Among the Asari I am considered barely more than a child."

Oh dear, he said it slightly wrongly. MUST FIX IT - SOMEONE MAY BE MISINFORMED!!! D:

it shows that she is considered an adult, not a child....

[Trikormadenadon]

blacqout wrote...

Trikormadenadon wrote...

blacqout wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Not a very good troll thread, OP. And it includes so many insults, what are you compensating for?

Alot apparently.

Too many insults? 

The people that protested the blonde female shepard were acting in a demonstrably misogynstic fashion. Is it an insult to call the sky blue?

The people that protested the original ending, ended up dumbing it down for me. Is it an insult to call water wet? 

The most insulting thing in this thread are the petty 'troll' jibes. If you geniunely believe that the only way someone could feel differently to you on a subject is because they want to rile up a web community, then you may have a mental illness. 

But if you liked the endings so much why did you get the EC? Sounds to me more like you dumbed your own ending down and are mad at yourself and are lashing out. No one forced you to download the EC ending....

I liked the original ending, but that doesn't mean i did not find several aspects unsatisfactory. The additional dialogue with the Catalyst was needed.

fair enough, but sometimes you have to accept the bad with the good...unfortuante but true.

[I am disappoint]

Isichar wrote...

8/10

Obviously quite a few people take this seriously.

This thread was so not serious the discussion turned into making everyone BI.

[Banul]

I didn't like the way DA2 handled romances. Not everybody in the world is a bisexual. Its not realistic. I don't think that makes me a bigot.

Also, somebody not saying they are bi doesn't stop them from being bi.

[blacqout]

Banul wrote...

I didn't like the way DA2 handled romances. Not everybody in the world is a bisexual. Its not realistic. I don't think that makes me a bigot.

Well it does.

If you play as a male Hawke and wish to romance Merril, you can. Isabela, whose sexuality is a big part of her characterisation will proposition you... but Fenris doesn't. Unless you actively pursue a romance with him, his sexuality is not touched upon. 

It's the same with Anders. Unless you lead him on, he doesn't make a move. 

What you're basically saying is that you don't like the fact that homosexuals were given as much choice as you were... because them having this choice didn't affect you or your game in any way whatsoever.

Modifié par blacqout, 09 septembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[thesnake777]

blacqout wrote...

Well it does.

If you play as a male Hawke and wish to romance Merril, you can. Isabela, whose sexuality is a big part of her characterisation will proposition you... but Fenris doesn't. Unless you actively pursue a romance with him, his sexuality is not touched upon. 

It's the same with Anders. Unless you lead him on, he doesn't make a move. 

What you're basically saying is that you don't like the fact that homosexuals were given as much choice as you were... because them having this choice didn't affect you or your game in any way whatsoever.

Anders does come on to you. In the second conversation in his clinic I bealive..Regardless of wether you flirted with him or not.

The issue I have with these Bi characters is it is quite strange..especially in Anders case. He was Straight when I first met him In awakening. This was established by his conversations. I distinctly remember him saying all we wanted to do was have a beer and jump in bed with a girl multiple times. Then he starts flirting with me in the second game. It was out of character. 

[SackofCat]

To be fair, there was little left of Awakenings Anders by the time DA2 rolled by (pun unintended).

[blacqout]

thesnake777 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Well it does.

If you play as a male Hawke and wish to romance Merril, you can. Isabela, whose sexuality is a big part of her characterisation will proposition you... but Fenris doesn't. Unless you actively pursue a romance with him, his sexuality is not touched upon. 

It's the same with Anders. Unless you lead him on, he doesn't make a move. 

What you're basically saying is that you don't like the fact that homosexuals were given as much choice as you were... because them having this choice didn't affect you or your game in any way whatsoever.

Anders does come on to you. In the second conversation in his clinic I bealive..Regardless of wether you flirted with him or not.

No, this isn't correct at all. He only does this if you choose a specific speech option when he reveals his situation with Justice. If you elect to sweet-talk him, he will then come onto you at a later point. 

If you react angrily or use the sarcastic option, this is entirely averted. 

And Anders wasn't straight in Awakenings. He made a comment about wanting a 'pretty girl'. He said nothing about not liking men.

Modifié par blacqout, 09 septembre 2012 - 06:47 .

[thesnake777]

blacqout wrote...

No, this isn't correct at all. He only does this if you choose a specific speech option when he reveals his situation with Justice. If you elect to sweet-talk him, he will then come onto you at a later point. 

If you react angrily or use the sarcastic option, this is entirely averted. 

And Anders wasn't straight in Awakenings. He made a comment about wanting a 'pretty girl'. He said nothing about not liking men.

I did multiple playthroughs where I switched speech options in an attempt to avoid being backed into a corner with two heart options and one broken heart option. Happens everytime.  Wether im being friending to him or being a ****** to him leading up to it. 

He also talked about shacking up with a girl and made a few other comments. All heterosexual in nature.
 

[Banul]

blacqout wrote...

Banul wrote...

I didn't like the way DA2 handled romances. Not everybody in the world is a bisexual. Its not realistic. I don't think that makes me a bigot.

Well it does.

If you play as a male Hawke and wish to romance Merril, you can. Isabela, whose sexuality is a big part of her characterisation will proposition you... but Fenris doesn't. Unless you actively pursue a romance with him, his sexuality is not touched upon. 

It's the same with Anders. Unless you lead him on, he doesn't make a move. 

What you're basically saying is that you don't like the fact that homosexuals were given as much choice as you were... because them having this choice didn't affect you or your game in any way whatsoever.

Actually, they both come on to me without leading them on at all. Unless not being a douche counts as leading them on.

[blacqout]

thesnake777 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

No, this isn't correct at all. He only does this if you choose a specific speech option when he reveals his situation with Justice. If you elect to sweet-talk him, he will then come onto you at a later point. 

If you react angrily or use the sarcastic option, this is entirely averted. 

And Anders wasn't straight in Awakenings. He made a comment about wanting a 'pretty girl'. He said nothing about not liking men.

I did multiple playthroughs where I switched speech options in an attempt to avoid being backed into a corner with two heart options and one broken heart option. Happens everytime.  Wether im being friending to him or being a ****** to him leading up to it. 

He also talked about shacking up with a girl and made a few other comments. All heterosexual in nature.
 

It doesn't. It is wholly dependant on what you say to him when he reveals Justice is inside of him. If you give a sugar-coated response, he'll come onto you. 

This is perfectly within his characterisation. He is made to appear incredibly needy in the game. 

Bisexual people tend to like both women and men. Him making a handful of comments about women isn't the compelling evidence of him being strictly heterosexual as you seem to think it is.

[thesnake777]

blacqout wrote...

Bisexual people tend to like both women and men. Him making a handful of comments about women isn't the compelling evidence of him being strictly heterosexual as you seem to think it is.

It is also not evidence that he is Bi...it is quite to the contrary...