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[LucasShark]

Is Bioware really going to try and retroactively add foreshadowing for the insanity of the ending?

This will NOT work, it is the writing equivillent of cheating honestly.  Explanations and foreshadowing are what should have been in here in the first place!  This is like releasing an expansion pack to a book which didn't feature any foreshadowing or explanation of events.

I say this because of both the EC and the Leviathan DLCs, the first which made a scitzophrenic ending slightly less awful, and the second which retroactively tried to explain the mess of circular logic the Catalyst spouted.

I don't want this, focussing on the worst aspect of this story will mire everything, all it will do is produce more garbage, see the introduction of psychic space demi-gods which ruin the destroy ending.

[D24O]

Buy DLC.

[David7204]

So tell me. How exactly does Leviathan 'ruin' the Destroy ending?

[MegaSovereign]

The Leviathan DLC was planned before the release of the game. It was pushed back because of the ending controversy.

Its existence isn't tied to forum's b*tching.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 09 septembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[LucasShark]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathan DLC was planned before the release of the game. It was pushed back because of the ending controversy.

Its existence isn't tied to forum's b*tching.

Exactly: are all the planned DLCs just filling in the blanks which should have been filled in the first place?

[LucasShark]

David7204 wrote...

So tell me. How exactly does Leviathan 'ruin' the Destroy ending?

Tell me: what is going to happen in the destroy ending where the only restraining element on a race of psychic space beings who lust to be worshipped has been removed?

[ShepnTali]

Yes, it's retroactive foreshadowing to us.


Gotta pay to play. Or make sense of things.

[D24O]

LucasShark wrote...

David7204 wrote...

So tell me. How exactly does Leviathan 'ruin' the Destroy ending?

Tell me: what is going to happen in the destroy ending where the only restraining element on a race of psychic space beings who lust to be worshipped has been removed?

We make sushi.

[mongoosephantom]

D24O wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

David7204 wrote...

So tell me. How exactly does Leviathan 'ruin' the Destroy ending?

Tell me: what is going to happen in the destroy ending where the only restraining element on a race of psychic space beings who lust to be worshipped has been removed?

We make sushi.

This again? One does not simply eat a Leviathan..

[D24O]

mongoosephantom wrote...

This again? One does not simply eat a Leviathan..

Its good for the economy. Levvy hunting and proccesing will start up new industries. 

[MegaSovereign]

LucasShark wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathan DLC was planned before the release of the game. It was pushed back because of the ending controversy.

Its existence isn't tied to forum's b*tching.

Exactly: are all the planned DLCs just filling in the blanks which should have been filled in the first place?

Before the EC, no one knew about where the Catalyst came from. He was a complete mystery.

The Reaper's origins were suppose to be a big reveal, but because of the ending controversy they had to tell the origins of the Catalyst and what it was created for through the Extended Cut.

Because of that, the Leviathan DLC came off as reinforcement to existing concepts.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 09 septembre 2012 - 01:17 .

[Ticonderoga117]

LucasShark wrote...
Tell me: what is going to happen in the destroy ending where the only restraining element on a race of psychic space beings who lust to be worshipped has been removed?

Rebuild the Geth to kill them since that is thier one weakness: Unable to command thralls to not build synthetic life even though they can command thralls to remove all existance of the Leviathans.

[mongoosephantom]

D24O wrote...

mongoosephantom wrote...

This again? One does not simply eat a Leviathan..

Its good for the economy. Levvy hunting and proccesing will start up new industries. 

I don't think the hanar would allow that if they found out about them. Think about it. Giant underwater-living creatures older that the Protheans? They would definetely become the new enkindlers

[Atakuma]

Leviathan pretty much covered that, there's really nothing left to add.

[MetioricTest]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathan DLC was planned before the release of the game. It was pushed back because of the ending controversy.

Its existence isn't tied to forum's b*tching.

This isn't much of a defense.

Sure it excuses the DLC. But it doesn't explain why the Catalyst is badly foreshadowed, pretty much to the extent that it isn't foreshadowed...

[LucasShark]

MegaSovereign wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathan DLC was planned before the release of the game. It was pushed back because of the ending controversy.

Its existence isn't tied to forum's b*tching.

Exactly: are all the planned DLCs just filling in the blanks which should have been filled in the first place?

Before the EC, no one knew about where the Catalyst came from. He was a complete mystery.

The Reaper's origins were suppose to be a big reveal, but because of the ending controversy they had to tell the origins of the Catalyst and what it was created for through the Extended Cut.

Because of that, the Leviathan DLC came off as reinforcement to existing concepts.

So they'd still be releasing elements to retroactively fill in blanks which shouldn't have been so.

[MegaSovereign]

It takes more than control capabilities to become a galactic threat. You need Reaper armor and lasers.

[Reth Shepherd]

Bioware is free to take their story anywhere they please. They are NOT free to consider my dollars automatically theirs. When they start producing stuff that isn't crap, I'll start supporting them again.

[D24O]

mongoosephantom wrote...

I don't think the hanar would allow that if they found out about them. Think about it. Giant underwater-living creatures older that the Protheans? They would definetely become the new enkindlers

They made the Reapers that harvested the Enkindlers. If anything, the Hanar would be big consumers to get some retribution. Plus once they get a taste....

[MegaSovereign]

LucasShark wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathan DLC was planned before the release of the game. It was pushed back because of the ending controversy.

Its existence isn't tied to forum's b*tching.

Exactly: are all the planned DLCs just filling in the blanks which should have been filled in the first place?

Before the EC, no one knew about where the Catalyst came from. He was a complete mystery.

The Reaper's origins were suppose to be a big reveal, but because of the ending controversy they had to tell the origins of the Catalyst and what it was created for through the Extended Cut.

Because of that, the Leviathan DLC came off as reinforcement to existing concepts.

So they'd still be releasing elements to retroactively fill in blanks which shouldn't have been so.

If the files are to be believed, it doesn't look like they are planning to do anymore Reaper-related DLC.

MetioricTest wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

The Leviathan DLC was planned before the release of the game. It was pushed back because of the ending controversy.

Its existence isn't tied to forum's b*tching.

This isn't much of a defense.

Sure
it excuses the DLC. But it doesn't explain why the Catalyst is badly
foreshadowed, pretty much to the extent that it isn't foreshadowed...

Leaving the Catalyst concept vague was just a business decision that backfired. I'm not trying to justify Bioware's business ethics. I'm simply responding to the OP's implied claims of Bioware re-prioritizing their DLC schedule to make the ending "fit."

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 09 septembre 2012 - 01:25 .

[BaladasDemnevanni]

I personally don't mind. Yes, it's nice when any developer gets it right the first time, but unfortunately for us consumers that doesn't always happen.

But overall I enjoyed ME3 and don't mind paying for more features to improve the base product, whether it's story or gameplay related. Hell, I would have thrown down $5 just for Bioware to fix their atrocious inventory system in ME1. Hindsight as they say is 20/20.

[MetioricTest]

Although to be fair. I'm not sure what choice Bioware has anyway...

They can't just ignore a tangled mess... They have to try to fix it.

And all things considered the EC did a good job.

[LucasShark]

Atakuma wrote...

Leviathan pretty much covered that, there's really nothing left to add.

- Crucible
- How exactly the Reapers ever got started if their creators had an off button the whole time
- All the other logic flaws in this mess

[MetioricTest]

MegaSovereign wrote...



It takes more than control capabilities to become a galactic threat. You need Reaper armor and lasers.

They already ruled the galaxy once....

How can you stop a threat that can control you?

[mongoosephantom]

D24O wrote...

mongoosephantom wrote...

I don't think the hanar would allow that if they found out about them. Think about it. Giant underwater-living creatures older that the Protheans? They would definetely become the new enkindlers

They made the Reapers that harvested the Enkindlers. If anything, the Hanar would be big consumers to get some retribution. Plus once they get a taste....

But what if it doesn't taste good? Do you really think that shell is edible?