CronoDragoon wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Effectively causing you to have to pay more money for a complete product. Perspective, obviously.
Depends on what you think complete is. Persona 3 was "more" complete with The Answer, but it was also complete without it. Just because something helps us understand a story better does not mean a work is incomplete without it. The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe, for example, has many mysteries that are not explicitly answered until its sequel, The Urth of the New Sun. It doesn't mean the content of Urth should have been included in Book. Perspective is pretty accurate here. Leviathan gives you better perspective of ME lore, but is ME3 incomplete without it?
Many would say that ME3 is incomplete without it given how, despite how I think it makes things worse in some respects, makes the Catalyst even more palatable to them.
This isn't a perspective I share. I have nothing against Leviathan or any DLC they release after launch.
Others will have misgivings because, well, a game is not a book. ME3 is the end of the trilogy and there will be no sequels. Since the ending has made very little sense to most, it's a bit galling to have to pay for something that potentially makes it better.
Different mind-set. Many buy games with the expectation that they're paying for the full product, instead of something that might require them to spend more money to finally get what they thought they had. Again, perspective.
It's a thin line, obviously. I might consider Leviathan very important to the integrity of the plot, but I wouldn't think the same of LotSB in regards to ME2. All opinion, and I can understand both perspectives.
This all comes back to the aversion to DLC and especially Day 1 DLC. The question is would the ME team have been able to include Leviathan with the original package? With Javik, it is less clear to me, but with Leviathan I would have to say no. If they had decided to work it into the original schedule, something else would had to have gotten the axe, and it likely would have been stuff like Grissom Academy which provided some of the best moments in the game.
It's not the actual events of Leviathan and more the effet it has on potentially making the story better.
It makes the the story more convoluted because, despite being given some of the most important pieces of information concerning the plot since Vigil, and meeting the progenitors from which the whole ME universe derives from, there's literallly no mention of anything you experience after the DLC is finished.
I don't see how that makes the story more convoluted by the definition of the word.
Confusing then, my mistake.
And it makes the Catalyst a massive walking retard contradiction. A machine that rebelled in order to deal with the effects of machines rebelling.
That doesn't make it retarded; that makes it ironic, and irony is a powerful literary weapon.
If done well, as with anything.
I don't think it was done well. Perhaps if the plot acknowledged this fact I might actually like it. Instead it has the opposte effect and makes me hate more. Perhaps that's just a yearning for some personal satisfaction on wanting the ability to point out the irony.
Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 10 septembre 2012 - 11:50 .
Even Tolkien himself insisted that at least some of the Appendices were included in each translation as he deemed them essential to the story, especially the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen. Yet, still there are several editions out there without the Appendices...
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I'd say the motivation and origin of the villain is usually pretty necessary, unless you're writing something really weird. If Leviathan was part of the original game, the Catalyst would at least feel like it had some setup and foreshadowing, rather than coming out of left field in the last five minutes. We might not have even needed the EC to help explain its logic and motivation. 
never even bloody confirmed, in-fact: utterly denounced by Sovreign.
