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[hoodaticus]

nategator wrote...

I remember when the endings were first presented, a big criticism was that to buy Synthesis or Control you had to end up believing the star child when everything in the game suggested that synthetics and organics could live peaceably.

So Leviathan is a way for Bioware to say, yes, you were supposed to take star child at his word when he said in general, organic and synthetic conflict is inevitable. There may be exceptions, and maybe even another way, but generally the status quo is a Battlestar-esque cycle of violence. Leviathan provides the details of why an organic race would have developed anything capable of creating the reapers.

[The Angry One]

hoodaticus wrote...

nategator wrote...

I remember when the endings were first presented, a big criticism was that to buy Synthesis or Control you had to end up believing the star child when everything in the game suggested that synthetics and organics could live peaceably.

So Leviathan is a way for Bioware to say, yes, you were supposed to take star child at his word when he said in general, organic and synthetic conflict is inevitable. There may be exceptions, and maybe even another way, but generally the status quo is a Battlestar-esque cycle of violence. Leviathan provides the details of why an organic race would have developed anything capable of creating the reapers.

Sorry, this isn't good enough.
Before, we have to take spacebaby at it's word. Now we... have to take Leviathan at it's word.
How is that any better? Take the word of the leader of the Reapers, or take the word of the unrepentant space c'thulu creator of the Reapers who also happens to use bizarre, self-destructive non-logic?

I'm not going to believe a crackpot's assertions because another crackpot backs it up. Moreover events that occured billions of years ago have no bearing on the present day, which completely contradicts their viewpoints.

Modifié par The Angry One, 09 septembre 2012 - 01:49 .

[Blueprotoss]

Fixers0 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Its up to Bioware not you and the endings don't need to be fixed because they are fine.  You're better off leaving since your demands have no backing.

Is bad writing fine now?

Its all opinion whether something is good or bad while I wonder if you cold do a better job.

[Blueprotoss]

The Angry One wrote...

Hey protoss, if the endings are fine, why are BioWare still trying to fix them?

Of course they're trying to fix the symptoms and not the cause and refusing to admit what the real problem is, but they are doing it. They clearly aren't confident in them, are they?

The EC was being worked on conjunction with Leviathan before ME3 was released.  The "best" video game scenario would be Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 3 since it was the last peice of DLC for that game.

The Angry One wrote...

Sorry, this isn't good enough.
Before, we have to take spacebaby at it's word. Now we... have to take Leviathan at it's word.
How is that any better? Take the word of the leader of the Reapers, or take the word of the unrepentant space c'thulu creator of the Reapers who also happens to use bizarre, self-destructive non-logic?

Yet some people would assume that Harbinger is the Reaper leader or that robots wouldn't kill their creators.

The Angry One wrote... 


I'm not going to believe a crackpot's assertions because another crackpot backs it up. Moreover events that occured billions of years ago have no bearing on the present day, which completely contradicts their viewpoints.

Yet the crckpot assertions are coming from you since you would rather have headcanon be true instead of whats actually canon. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[Fixers0]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Its all opinion whether something is good or bad while I wonder if you cold do a better job.

It's not opinion it's called "analysis".

[Blueprotoss]

Fixers0 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Its all opinion whether something is good or bad while I wonder if you cold do a better job.

It's not opinion it's called "analysis".

'Analysis" is just another meaning for a opinion that scienctists, engineers, doctors, and so on use.  Anyone can analysis anything at any time and its nothing new when its driven by opinion.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:00 .

[The Angry One]

Blueprotoss wrote...
The EC was being worked on conjunction with Leviathan before ME3 was released.  The "best" video game scenario would be Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout 3 since it was the last peice of DLC for that game.

Yes I'm sure, that's why it contradicts the EC.

Yet some people would assume that Harbinger is the Reaper leader or that robots wouldn't kill their creators.

Evidence and events presented in the game =! assumptions.

Yet the crckpot assertions are coming from you since you would rather have headcanon be true instead of whats actually canon. 

Headcanon? The trilogy just doesn't support the ridiculous assertions shoved in at the end, and now BioWare are trying to retroactively shoehorn in justifications while still not making it flow naturally, which they can't because it was never a part of Mass Effect.
The conflicts between organics and synthetics were isolated and solvable, there was never an overarching problem and there still isn't.

All Leviathan does is demonstrate that the Catalyst's creators were complete imbeciles, and contradicts all claims that the created will rebel against the creator because the Reapers never have.

[Applepie_Svk]

Atakuma wrote...

Leviathan pretty much covered that, there's really nothing left to add.

No... There is still lot of plotholes and other unasnwered questions which are waiting to be filled with some DLC... 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:03 .

[LilLino]

It's not rubbish and they actually foreshadowed it now.
There you go.

[Fixers0]

Blueprotoss wrote...

'Analysis" is just another meaning for a opinion that scienctists, engineers, doctors, and so on use.

An analysis it's self  has nothing to do with opionion, it's objectivly breaking down the subject into smaller parts to get a better understanding of the whole.

[Little Princess Peach]

David7204 wrote...

So tell me. How exactly does Leviathan 'ruin' the Destroy ending?

because people just like to complaine about everything and give no explination what so ever

[Applepie_Svk]

LilLino wrote...

It's not rubbish and they actually foreshadowed it now.
There you go.

And you are fine with that ? 

[darkway1]

For those who are clearly Mass3 defenders,who believe Mass3 is perfect and naturally fully understand every thing about Mass3.............can you please tell me if Shepard is dead or alive.....thank you.

[Xellith]

Id love if these people defending the game could actually write a summary of what the hell happened and why. 

Such as in the beam dash where its ALL OR NOTHING you decide to take a break to let your wounded members go home while the rest of the human race runs into lasers.  And then Harbinger is like "its okay bro you take the time you need" and then they fly off.

RIDICULOUS.  And this is only ONE instance.

Modifié par Xellith, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:11 .

[darkway1]

Xellith wrote...

Id love if these people defending the game could actually write a summary of what the hell happened and why. 

Such as in the beam dash where its ALL OR NOTHING you decide to take a break to let your wounded members go home while the rest of the human race runs into lasers.  And then Harbinger is like "its okay bro you take the time you need" and then they fly off.

RIDICULOUS.  And this is only ONE instance.

LOL......sound perfect.....right:blink:

[Oni Changas]

Honestly, I feel the vanilla game was far superior than what we have now. The more they add to this sheeit the worse it gets. Everything just dig a derper hole. Derp.

[D24O]

hoodaticus wrote...

D24O wrote...

Buy DLC.

They changed that message box.  It now thanks this community for its ideas and input.

I'm just busting the OP's balls.

[Ticonderoga117]

Xellith wrote...

Id love if these people defending the game could actually write a summary of what the hell happened and why. 

Such as in the beam dash where its ALL OR NOTHING you decide to take a break to let your wounded members go home while the rest of the human race runs into lasers.  And then Harbinger is like "its okay bro you take the time you need" and then they fly off.

RIDICULOUS.  And this is only ONE instance.

Here is what this will entail:
"Reaper IFF!"
"He doesn't have any visual sensors!"
"The Normandy wasn't a threat!"
"The Crucible is the ONLY way!"
"Taking a laser to the face is TOTALLY survivable!"
"It needs to be symbolic to be art!"
"It needs to be art!"
"Why am I trying to explain this to you! It was simply perfect and you JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!"

[FFHAuthor]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...


Here is what this will entail:
"Reaper IFF!"
"He doesn't have any visual sensors!"
"The Normandy wasn't a threat!"
"The Crucible is the ONLY way!"
"Taking a laser to the face is TOTALLY survivable!"
"It needs to be symbolic to be art!"
"It needs to be art!"
"Why am I trying to explain this to you! It was simply perfect and you JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!"

Sounds about right, but don't forget this:

"The only conclusions you're supposed to draw from the events are the conclusions we TELL YOU TOO!  STOP THINKING FOR YOURSELVES!"

"IT'S NOT SLOPPY, YOU"RE JUST WHINY AND SPOILED!"

[Ticonderoga117]

FFHAuthor wrote...
Sounds about right, but don't forget this:

"The only conclusions you're supposed to draw from the events are the conclusions we TELL YOU TOO!  STOP THINKING FOR YOURSELVES!"

"IT'S NOT SLOPPY, YOU"RE JUST WHINY AND SPOILED!"

Don't forget we need to headcanon everything else, since BioWare took it to the opposite extreme where they tell us pretty much nothing about anyone.

[fr33stylez]

grey_wind wrote...

Casey and Mac must have been of the mindset that when we saw their amazing ending, we'd be simply left quietly stunned and burning with questions (and speculations, of course) about this intriguing character called the Catalyst. Then when we'd ask Casey and Mac about their wonderfully mind-bending ending, they'd just smile and say "Wait for all our DLC to understand", and we'd all feverishly get this DLC to fully understand the depth and meaning of the ending, and ultimately be left completely blown away when we got the full answer.

Instead, the fanbase's reaction to the ending was (rightfully so) "WTF IS THIS PIECE OF SH!T! IT COMPLETELY BREAKS THE LORE AND IS NOTHING BUT A DEUS EX MACHINA! BIOWARE IS CRAP!"

And the rest is history.....

[CELL55]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Its all opinion whether something is good or bad while I wonder if you cold do a better job.

It's not opinion it's called "analysis".

'Analysis" is just another meaning for a opinion that scienctists, engineers, doctors, and so on use.  Anyone can analysis anything at any time and its nothing new when its driven by opinion.

Did you seriously just say this:
 
Did you seriously just try to use a Homer arguement to prove your point?! Seriously?! 

[Rommel49]

Xellith wrote...

Id love if these people defending the game could actually write a summary of what the hell happened and why. 

Such as in the beam dash where its ALL OR NOTHING you decide to take a break to let your wounded members go home while the rest of the human race runs into lasers.  And then Harbinger is like "its okay bro you take the time you need" and then they fly off.

RIDICULOUS.  And this is only ONE instance.

Hell, as I've mentioned more than once, it's equally ridiculous that with the huge allied fleet in orbit doesn't lob a few shells at Harby during that sequence either, it's blocking access to the most critical objective on the planet. "Hey guys, skyscraper-sized death machine in my way... little help here?", Seriously, both sides basically called a time out.

Would've wrapped things up nicely with Harbinger too, could even let that targeting laser see use beyond Rannoch, and see that EMS number actually do something for me on the field, etc.

[Xellith]

Not to mention that all those shuttles sent to london could have easily just landed on the citadel.

[Blueprotoss]

The Angry One wrote...

Yes I'm sure, that's why it contradicts the EC.

The EC didn't contradict ME3 at all.  I'm surprised you haven't said that ME3 contradicts ME1 or ME2 based on the general amount of ignorance that you have.

The Angry One wrote... 

Evidence and events presented in the game =! assumptions.

Its never a good idea to flip the table when you missed the foreshadowing.

The Angry One wrote... 

Headcanon? The trilogy just doesn't support the ridiculous assertions shoved in at the end, and now BioWare are trying to retroactively shoehorn in justifications while still not making it flow naturally, which they can't because it was never a part of Mass Effect.

Yet you are using headcanon when you're saying that Bioware doesn't know what they're doing.

The Angry One wrote... 

The conflicts between organics and synthetics were isolated and solvable, there was never an overarching problem and there still isn't.

How is that when the Geth and Reaper conflicts started before ME1 and so far ended at the end of ME3.

The Angry One wrote... 

All Leviathan does is demonstrate that the Catalyst's creators were complete imbeciles, and contradicts all claims that the created will rebel against the creator because the Reapers never have.

How is that when ME didn't make up the Created vs the Creator theme and a prime example of that is Frankenstein.