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[MetioricTest]

How could they not notice this when they made the game O_o

[WarGriffin]

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I'd say its cause when it comes to actaul rival characters.

BW kinda sucks at it.

They tend to make Heroes massive player empowerment fantasies that noone in universe can take in a fair fight-unless your villian is a borderline god... and even then it could have gone either way-


With Leng, They never really give him a personality... His just thier to give Cerberus troops an actaul face cause fighting TIM would be wierd. IE Leng wasn't brought in to be a character, His just the Cerberus Avatar-which says a whole lot about Cerberus in ME3-

So they resort to the most basic insults and Cerberus spins they can think of.


with Shepard... You'd think with Shepard clearly being more scriopted by the writers then the players BW would give us an interesting Protagonist. Shepard is so freaking bland it hurts

They clearly have a default alignment in mind so it's jarring when you do something extreme paragon or renegade. and let's be honest Default Shepard is the most incompentent boob in the universe.

so you'd think with a scripted Shepard, they could come up with better banter then essential two full grown adults argueing with 2nd grader insults.

[Vigil_N7]

People feel the whole Thessia ending was contrived and forced, with shepard "losing" as it were but really its just an illustration of one of drawbacks of having a game that plays out in no small part due to the choice of the player.

Unless bioware forces a person to die (Virmire) or script it so Shepard is momentarily defeated (Thessia), then Shepard would go through all 3 games as a infallible, unbeatable God-like character. Lets say it was possible for shepard to win and lose on Thessia, who in their right mind would go for the option where they lose? Its the same thing with the suicide mission, of course Shepard CAN die, but to do so you really need to cut off your nose to spite your face. Its pointless.


I'm in favor of Bioware having moments like Virmire where Shepard can do all he can yet still its not enough/he can't save everyone. I think the suicide mission would've worked better that way, granted it felt epic getting everyone out alive, but I can see from a gameplay mechanic it really didn't pan out the way bioware intended.

The biggest problem with the whole Kai Leng business is why Shepard took it so personally/to heart. At least for renegades it seemed out of character.

[Zazzerka]

The final fight did kind of come down to:
"You suck, Shepard!"
"No, you do!"
"Shut up!"

[Edolix]

Lol, I agree. It was rediculous, I couldn't take any of those sequences seriously.

"You're too slow, Shepard!"
"Only because i'm not running!"

"You ran on the Citadel. You ran on Thessia!"
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"SHUT UP!"

Modifié par Edolix, 09 septembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[WindfishDude]

Kai Leng is so lame.

I think it's because Mac Walters wrote him, because as OP said, whenever Kai and Shepard are in the same room, they both come off as lame man-children.

[MetioricTest]

Kai Leng was actually pretty good in the 3rd novel. He wasn't Mr Personality but he also wasn't a petty ninja.

Personally I have no issue with Shepard "losing" on Thessia but the way Shepard losses was a bit odd. You beat up Kai Leng and then a gunships shoots pillars so the roof falls on you. Erm...

In ME1 you have a fight with Saren where you punch him in the face and he runs off and it doesn't feel so bad...

[T-Raks]

It was ridiculous. But I don't listen to trash talk while fighting, so I ignored it and think of the fights as if that bull**** talking never happened.

[Ticonderoga117]

Let's not forget that KL is a walking idiot ball.

[WindfishDude]

I mostly hate that he's an actual cyborg/space ninja.

That s*** is done to death in Anime and Japanese sci-fi, why would you bring that garbage to Mass Effect?

I hate that this **** brings a sword to a gun fight. I don't care how space ninja-ish you are, that doesn't make any sense.

In Cowboy Bebop I found it a bit contrived, but it was Anime, so I let it slide.

Mass Effect is supposed to be, somewhat, grounded and then they introduce this element?

[Ticonderoga117]

WindfishDude wrote...

I mostly hate that he's an actual cyborg/space ninja.

That s*** is done to death in Anime and Japanese sci-fi, why would you bring that garbage to Mass Effect?

I hate that this **** brings a sword to a gun fight. I don't care how space ninja-ish you are, that doesn't make any sense.

In Cowboy Bebop I found it a bit contrived, but it was Anime, so I let it slide.

Mass Effect is supposed to be, somewhat, grounded and then they introduce this element?

It's one thing if gameplay would also show that he is troublesome to hit and thus make the sword a somewhat smarter thing to use. However, he never got near me on Thessia and he still wins?! WTF? That's pants-on-head retarded.

[Ziegrif]

I found it hilarious actually.
So out of charachter.
I thought we'd get a silly sissy slap fight in the end.

[Baa Baa]

That's why you need to request Kai Leng to have Bane quotes. Then he'd sound legit.

[MetioricTest]

The sword to the gunfight thing never bothered me. Hell Shepard punches people all the time.

The only] reason(s) I never liked Kai Leng's sword is because he keeps saying "We evolve or we die! THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS!" while fighting me with a sword....

Also making him a ninja bugged me but that's not the sword's fault

[D24O]

Leng should've turned Super Saiyan, and kicked the living s*** out of Shepard. /endgame.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Sh-Shut Up! I'll send you a taunting email, that'll prove I'm badass!

The forced rivalry was ridiculous, if Leng was professional and composed like in Retribution it would have played out better, but no he has to be the new EXTREME villain and that he's TEH BESTEST!
Shepard letting that sort of taunting get to him/her doesn't do the character much credit.

[D24O]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

D24O wrote...

Leng should've turned Super Saiyan, and kicked the living s*** out of Shepard. /endgame.

Should I say it?

I think I should.

Better than the endings.

I would buy the DLC.

[Ticonderoga117]

MetioricTest wrote...
The sword to the gunfight thing never bothered me. Hell Shepard punches people all the time.

Except on the Citadel, the group of people with guns refuse to fire on him during the 7 seconds that he's out in the open. WHY?!?!?! Thane died because you jerks were eating popcorn!

[D24O]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Sh-Shut Up! I'll send you a taunting email, that'll prove I'm badass!

The forced rivalry was ridiculous, if Leng was professional and composed like in Retribution it would have played out better, but no he has to be the new EXTREME villain and that he's TEH BESTEST!
Shepard letting that sort of taunting get to him/her doesn't do the character much credit.

Lol he's like a kid on xbox live sending you "1v1 me nub" and "Ipwnd u" messages after he hacked a lobby to win a game. 

[WindfishDude]

D24O wrote...

Leng should've turned Super Saiyan, and kicked the living s*** out of Shepard. /endgame.

I bet Mac Walters wanted this, but some brave writer was like 'Mac, that's a great idea boss, like all of your ideas, but let's try the scene without Kai Leng going Super Saiyan? Just for kicks.'

Amd somehow they managed to distract Walters long enough for him to forget all about it.

[GreyLycanTrope]

D24O wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Sh-Shut Up! I'll send you a taunting email, that'll prove I'm badass!

The forced rivalry was ridiculous, if Leng was professional and composed like in Retribution it would have played out better, but no he has to be the new EXTREME villain and that he's TEH BESTEST!
Shepard letting that sort of taunting get to him/her doesn't do the character much credit.

Lol he's like a kid on xbox live sending you "1v1 me nub" and "Ipwnd u" messages after he hacked a lobby to win a game. 

They should really just have done the e-mail in l33t speak, far more appropriate.
KL: Lol nub!
CS: no u!

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:40 .

[D24O]

That would have amazing. I would've p***** myself laughing.

[Jester05]

The moment I ran into Kai Leng was the moment I started laughing at ME3. Seriously, space ninjas? **** was stupid.