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[jryorkiv]

Without going too deep into it, for individuals with laptops who aren't able to play the game, take a look into a docking station that allows an external video card. You can get a video card with enough power and an external monitor and still be able to play the game. The caveat is, you will not be able to play unless you are docked, but it still leaves you the flexibility of having your laptop. Otherwise you are looking at some of the more powerful laptops, ususally designated as workstation replacements, which will include higher performance graphics cards, processors, and hard disks.

[Gorath Alpha]

Windows XP Minimum Specifications
OS: Windows XP with SP3
CPU: Intel Core 2 Single (or equivalent) running at 1.6Ghz or greater
AMD 64 (or equivalent) running at 2.0Ghz or greater
RAM: 1 GB or more
Video: ATI Radeon X850 256MB or greater (either this is wrong)
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT 128MB or greater (or this one is wrong)
DVD ROM (Physical copy)
20 GB HD space

(Note: IMO, the two cards above should be the Radeon X800 Pro, and the Geforce 6800 Vanilla)

pumpcomp wrote...

is this e card something i need to go buy or can i download it sorry pretty dumb about stuff like this

Google is still your best friend!  But had you actually been READING the answers already provided  in this message thread for content, everything you needed to know was already included, but here is some more content, anyway

pcsupport.about.com/od/componentprofiles/p/p_video.htm

www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O11-addincard.html

www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 28 décembre 2009 - 01:52 .

[MrBigA]

pumpcomp wrote...

ite input 120vac 60Hz 0.18A output 12vdc 500ma hope thats the right stuff

Hi Again,  I'm sorry, but that is not the information.  Are you able to remove the side panel of your pc?  the power supply (PSU) will have a label that will specify the total Watts and the Amps on each rail.  The +12v is the most important rail for video card power.  You should hope for a 400/500 Watt PSU with a minimum of around 25 Amps (25a) on the +12v for that PC to run a low-to-mid range card.  If you do not have those specs, you may have trouble running a modern video card because it will be under powered.  You may get lucky and get a low end card to run, but, in my opinion,  if you really want to use that computer for gaming, you may have to invest in a new power supply and a video card.  

 

[Gorath Alpha]

MrBigA wrote...

You should hope for a 400/500 Watt PSU with a minimum of around 25 Amps (25a) on the +12v for that PC to run a low-to-mid range card.  If you do not have those specs, you may have trouble running a modern video card because it will be under powered.  You may get lucky and get a low end card to run, but, in my opinion,  if you really want to use that computer for gaming, you may have to invest in a new power supply and a video card.  

 

Since it is some sort of an HP, 300 watts is probably as much as it will have, which will run an HD 4670, which in its own turn is far more than sufficient for DA: O. 

However, it seems to me that the currently active new arrival here is not trying very hard to understand the answers already given. 

(Sorry, Pump, for speaking of you here in third person, if you are back again, and trying any harder to understand the PC video component of a system  this time.)


Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 26 janvier 2011 - 03:45 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

pumpcomp wrote...

is this e card something i need to go buy or can i download it sorry pretty dumb about stuff like this

Google is still your best friend!  But had you actually been READING the answers already provided  in this message thread for content, everything you needed to know was already included, but here is some more content, anyway

pcsupport.about.com/od/componentprofiles/p/p_video.htm

Since it seems that you return for a few minutes just about the time I have my dinner, and then stay away for 23 hours, I'll repost the above here at the end, before I go in the kitchen to see what looks good from the still-plentiful Christmas Day's Dinner spread.

Gorath
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[mark holford]

Aruthos wrote...

Intel intel intel...make a great processor but should stay away from the graphics cards, unfortunately my laptop that i have as a computer has an intel GC but luckily enough i have 256MB VRAM and can play dragon age fairly well...after increasing the system cache a whole gig and adding readyboost to an SD card xD even so it still gets a bit laggy but then again there the issue people are having with the CPU spiking up 100% through the entire time you play...your card wont play because it has 125MB of VRAM sadly thats not enough...goto canyourunit.com and select dragon age origins it will tell you if you can pass it

So it IS possiblde to run DA:O on a laptop with Intel 965 GC?  I'm experience the infamous BSOD  - I can get to the screen where I select a New Game, it runs a cut scene, then it flickers black, (trying to change graphics modes?) does this about three times, finally goes completely black & about 20 seconds later the BSOD arrives.  Problem with my graphic driver....
I updated my graphic drivers, Direct X drivers, patched DA:O. etc. etc.
I have 384MB of Video ram, and a Core 2 Duo running at 1.5 ghz.  (yes I know I'm rights at the bare minimum requirements to run this)
Was there any other trick you had to run to get DA:O to run on the Intel GC?

[aldroit]

OK see the misses bought me this game for Christmas  and having read the threads this is probably a stupid Q but I can't run the game because of video card error but my graphics card was only purchased last year and surely it cant be out of date already?!

OS: Windows XP Home
CPU: Intel Core 2 Single (or equivalent) running at 1.6Ghz or greater
AMD 64, 3000+ 2.0Ghz
RAM: 1 GB
Video: ATI Radeon 9600 256MB
DVD ROM (Physical copy)
200 GB HD space

I have tried updating the driver , and re-installing.

Can anyone please help, I've been looking forward to playing this for months

[Gorath Alpha]

Read the rest of the thread. You chose to purchase a six year old card -- only five last year - and it doesn't provide the functions that are needed now.

"Created 1 day ago, Modified 1 day ago

The onboard chips included for video in bargain basement (very cheap)
PCs cannot handle games, aren't supposed to handle games, are are well
known all throughout the gaming world as inadequate.  Yours is almost
as bad as the crappy IGPs from Intel, in fact.

"The Express200 dates back about four or five years, was based on the
old Radeon 9600's design (2003, six years ago), and doesn't include any
SM-3 pixel shader capability. "

Windows XP Minimum Specifications
OS: Windows XP with SP3
CPU: Intel Core 2 Single (or equivalent) running at 1.6Ghz or greater
AMD 64 (or equivalent) running at 2.0Ghz or greater
RAM: 1 GB or more
Video: ATI Radeon X850 256MB or greater (either this is wrong)
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT 128MB or greater (or this one is wrong)
DVD ROM (Physical copy)
20 GB HD space

(Note: IMO, the two cards above should be the Radeon X800 Pro, and the Geforce 6800 Vanilla)

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 28 décembre 2009 - 12:54 .

[aldroit]

ok thanks I must shout at my vendor/friend hmmpf

[mark holford]

mark holford wrote...

Aruthos wrote...

Intel intel intel...make a great processor but should stay away from the graphics cards, unfortunately my laptop that i have as a computer has an intel GC but luckily enough i have 256MB VRAM and can play dragon age fairly well...after increasing the system cache a whole gig and adding readyboost to an SD card xD even so it still gets a bit laggy but then again there the issue people are having with the CPU spiking up 100% through the entire time you play...your card wont play because it has 125MB of VRAM sadly thats not enough...goto canyourunit.com and select dragon age origins it will tell you if you can pass it

So it IS possiblde to run DA:O on a laptop with Intel 965 GC?  I'm experience the infamous BSOD  - I can get to the screen where I select a New Game, it runs a cut scene, then it flickers black, (trying to change graphics modes?) does this about three times, finally goes completely black & about 20 seconds later the BSOD arrives.  Problem with my graphic driver....
I updated my graphic drivers, Direct X drivers, patched DA:O. etc. etc.
I have 384MB of Video ram, and a Core 2 Duo running at 1.5 ghz.  (yes I know I'm rights at the bare minimum requirements to run this)
Was there any other trick you had to run to get DA:O to run on the Intel GC?

Okay - on to plan B (giving up on enjoying this on my laptop)
My "B" plan system is currently
Intel Dual Core E2140 1.6GHZ, 1M L2 Cache, 800mhz FSB on an
ASUS P5VD2 MX SE MB
currently has a garbage internal video card & 1GB DDR2 memory  (put has a PCI X16 expansion slot)

I'm thinking 1 more GB of ram, and a new video card... as long as the processor will do.
The Video card I'm planning on is ATI Radeon HD 4650  or 4670.

Can anyone comment on whether this combination will result in acceptable performance???  (I'm really getting frustrated at having a great new game over the Xmas holiday, and not being able to play it!)

Modifié par mark holford, 29 décembre 2009 - 05:12 .

[casadechrisso]

The question is, how much are you willing to spend?

The processor of that plan "B" computer is not really up for the task anymore, it might run, but probably not great. At least it's a dual core CPU, that's a plus, since Dragon Age makes use of both cores, however a Core2 Duo >2GHz would definitely be better.



As for the video card, at least the 4670, that one should run the game good enough at a not-too-high resolution. Make sure it has GDDR3 RAM (the cheaper ones have GDDR2, which results in about 20% less performance). You might also find a 4750 or 4770 for a good price.



Alternatively, you can get a nVidia 9800GT for cheap these days, that's a pretty nice card for Dragon Age, especially because it also supports nVidia's PhysX and gives DA a nice boost with it. To my great displeasure, I noticed that DA is yet another game that runs better on nVidia cards... sad but true. If you don't play in high resolution, the less performant but still okay 9600GT should be quite cheap now too.

But all these cards will probably not be able to compensate for the slow CPU, that's the main bottleneck.

[mark holford]

casadechrisso wrote...

The question is, how much are you willing to spend?
The processor of that plan "B" computer is not really up for the task anymore, it might run, but probably not great. At least it's a dual core CPU, that's a plus, since Dragon Age makes use of both cores, however a Core2 Duo >2GHz would definitely be better.

As for the video card, at least the 4670, that one should run the game good enough at a not-too-high resolution. Make sure it has GDDR3 RAM (the cheaper ones have GDDR2, which results in about 20% less performance). You might also find a 4750 or 4770 for a good price.

Alternatively, you can get a nVidia 9800GT for cheap these days, that's a pretty nice card for Dragon Age, especially because it also supports nVidia's PhysX and gives DA a nice boost with it. To my great displeasure, I noticed that DA is yet another game that runs better on nVidia cards... sad but true. If you don't play in high resolution, the less performant but still okay 9600GT should be quite cheap now too.
But all these cards will probably not be able to compensate for the slow CPU, that's the main bottleneck.

Thanks for the advice (and to Alpha Goran's PC Hardware FAQ) - I've now upgraded my "B" computer with an extra gig of memory and the ATI 4670 Video card.
I'm VERY pleased to report that DA:O works great.  Maxed out the resolution of my monitor, very high detail, textures etc.  EVERYTHING on max - no perceptable lag.  The game looks great, plays great....  WOW!  definately worth upgrading for.  The only delay I experience is between levels....  My "B" computer has two old (really old) 40 GB HD's, so it takes a while to load between levels, but in the game this isn't an issue.
So for the record, and system like mine is definately playable with a newer video card.  1.6GHz dual core intel is at the low end of the spec for the game, but handled the intro chapter just fine.  Will see if bigger battles tax the system more, but I've got lots of room to reduce the graphics options to keep the FPS up if I need to.  In the meantime I'm just going to enjoy the really immersive atmosphere this game has. 
Thanks again to everyone on the board  -  it really helps knowing that I'm likely to enjoy good success with a relatively modest upgrade.  Didn't want to buy a card, and find out it was going to be an underperformer.  (had considered the ATI 4350 until I read Goran's faq and realized it wasn't going to work very well, and for $50 extra I could get a card that would really make a difference.)

Mark 

[casadechrisso]

Glad to hear it works. The long loading times are normal, even on much more powerful systems you'll experience them, especially after playing a few hours. There's also an obvious memory leak somewhere in that game. As long as the actual gaming works fine though, be happy.

[Gorath Alpha]

Not "Alpha Goran" at all, please.

One of the lead characters in an all-time favorite game was "Gorath", in the game named "Betrayal at Krondor", set in Raymond Feist's fictional land of Midkemia.  When I was first signing on at various gaming web sites in the early dawn of the internet, I had very little competition for using that name as my online handle, and may have been the first to ever use that name for the purpose. 

The lifetimes of some early dial-up ISPs could practically be measured in mere weeks, and I went through several of those, and eventually forgot a lot of passwords, so ended up using "Grumpy" for quite awhile, or "Grouch", and Great Gildersleeve, as well (several G-names), when I couldn't sign in under my old handles any longer.  "Old Grouch" is what I used for several years recently.

Now we are full circle, back to the start ("Alpha" is the first character of the Greek alphabet), and I am Gorath again, about 13-14 years later. 

P. S. In order to improve the topicality of this reply, I am adding a link to a Video card discussion that was at least partly triggered by the messager in this thread, using the name Pump. 

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/519461

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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 30 décembre 2009 - 11:30 .

[trinadh2010]

I am having Intel GMA 3100 128mb graphic card, dual core and xp sp2 can i play DAO? MYvedio card supports or not?

[Gorath Alpha]

Intel only made one video card, a disaster, same as all of their terrible video chips. This game was designed for real video hardware, not for Intel tinker toys, sorry.

             Ignore Warning Labels at Your Wallet's Peril 

For two years, possibly three, during roughly 2004 to 2006, about 70 % of the desktop PCs sold did not include any dedicated 3D video device, and this ratio jumped to 90 % of laptops.  Without such capability, those PCs are not game-capable machines.  Numerous of my (past) references here at the BioWare Community (the original of this comment dates back a couple of years) cover various aspects of this.  The minimum (discrete add-in device) card includes a GPU made by ATI or nVidia.  Nothing from Intel qualifies. 

Current laptops continue to contain very few usable video systems.  All recent 3D games have a warning label on the back, bottom flap, or side panel, of the game's box you should never ignore!  The official minimums, IMO, aren't really practical choices for that position.  Nevertheless, they are real video cards, while Intel hasn't even tried to produce one of those since their disastrous singleton about a dozen years ago. 

For that matter, when the Mass Effect 2 game's official requirements were published, Intel was named very specifically as inadequate for that game (it should have been named the same way for DA: O). 

Gorath

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 12 février 2010 - 07:52 .

[ZootCadillac]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Intel only made one video card, a disaster, same as all of their terrible video chips. This game was designed for real video hardware, not for Intel tinker toys, sorry.

Is your self-esteem so low that you have to persistently belittle strangers on the internet? No matter how clever and useful you think your knowledge is, it is of no use to anyone whilst you persist with this superior and aloof attitude that you have.

If I recall you are running an archaic piece of crap that was middle of the road when it was new and will not stop recommending a video card that is low to middle range just because it's the one you use.

If you have advice for people then advise them but it's becoming increasingly embarrassing to see you adopt this "I'm so much better than you, your hardware is a toy, I'm a genius and you know nothing" attitude. Your advice is so often wide of the mark that it makes it even more pathetic to watch this 'superiority' you flaunt.

Edit:/ and to your wonderfully eloquent private message:-

You self-serving twit
Between Gorath Alpha and You



Gorath Alpha
11:57 AM 2010-02-12
Like the insect you are, just bug off, and quit making trolling attempts!

I add:-

Oh trust me, no trolling intended. ( that's a totally different thing ) I was being sincere. Your attitude on the forum stinks and your persistent abuse and insulting behaviour towards others has become tedious. You are not at all helpful, you are belligerent and condescending and it's got to a point where I'm not prepared to look at it any longer without commenting.

Modifié par ZootCadillac, 12 février 2010 - 08:24 .

[Chaoitx]

ok well i just got this pc (desktop) like 2 yeares ago and i should be able to play this game on it but i am gettin the video card error to but the wired thing is i can play wow and everything else but not this game can someone tell me y

[ElvenLass94]

Its most likely due to your video card. Intel doesnt support Bioware games, as far as Im concerned. I had a similar predicament regarding Mass Effect, so I recommend disassembling the laptop, discarding of the Intel video card and purchasing the latest NVidia video card.

[Gorath Alpha]

ElvenLass94 wrote...

Its most likely due to your video card. Intel doesnt support Bioware games, as far as Im concerned. I had a similar predicament regarding Mass Effect, so I recommend disassembling the laptop, discarding of the Intel video card and purchasing the latest NVidia video card.

In order to access the internals of a laptop, it must be one of two things: either it is a high-dollar model of a desktop replacement from Sager, or it is so old it can't do much of anything.  In order for the pricing to become low enough to allow for widespread popular acceptance, the manufacturing of laptops had to be cheapened immensely.  All internal electronics are soldered permanently into place, and the final assembly welds everything into one solid block.  Attempting to cut it open destroys both motherboard and chassis. 

Only the system memory can be changed, although the storage subsystems are typically separate, and thus, removable.

Intel doesn't try to produce game-capable cards.  It is Bioware who refuses to offer any support to owners of PCs with only Intel as the video device.  Stay tuned the next few months, maybe the next couple of years, to see what changes.  AMD planned to have their Fusion APU equipped mobile systems on the store shelves this month, and desktop versions next month, but between Global Foundries and TMSD, the sub-40 nm wafer technology hasn't been ready when promised. 

P. S.  It was PumpComp, on this thread's first page, or another new arrival, whose limited understanding of video hardware prompted the publication here of the article recently bumped near the top:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/519461

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:39 .

[Icedfate]

I have an ATI Radeon 4550 with 1 gig of ram and I get this same message as the original poster...the configuration utility detected it automatically and determines that it was good enough to put the detail settings on high but when I go to launch the game I get "failed to detect a supported video card"

[Gorath Alpha]

Icedfate wrote...

I have an ATI Radeon 4550 with 1 gig of
ram and I get this same message as the original poster...the
configuration utility detected it automatically and determines that it
was good enough to put the detail settings on high but when I go to
launch the game I get "failed to detect a supported video card"

Everything, all possible options, have been covered within the many archived threads on that subject. 1. Graphics Driver corrupted. 2. Dx9 APIs corrupted. or 3. The game's own files are corrupted. Start from the top, work down.

That's the important part.  Secondarily, if the Launcher's configuration set a 4550 anywhere but LOW, it also is broken. 

Compared to the official minimum X850, the HD 4350 / 4550 pair are SLUGS.  Since Bioware didn't know what they were doing when they named it, the X800s, mostly, are also fine.  Compared to most of those, the 4550 is still a SLUG. 

It does happen that for Medium size Texture files, a Radeon X1650 XT can meet the minimum performance level, and again, the low end HD 4350 4550 pair trail behind. 

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

However, at 1024 by 768, or the equivalent, and all Low Quality graphics, the HD 4550 might not bog down everywhere.  I say that because most minimums are determined based on Medium screen resolutions, not low resolutions.

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 28 janvier 2011 - 03:58 .