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[Emzamination]

megamacka wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

ME 3 single player had problems, but none of those are the fault of multiplayer. And no, MP didn't steal resources from SP. And no, the ending wouldn't have been better without MP.

The only problem with Mass Effect MP is that you needed it to get 'the best' ending.

I honestly do not believe that.
The time, money and people etc that was working on MP should've been working on the SP. Sure it probably would only have been a little more refined but I believe that the MP could have been a nice DLC instead or added later on.

   80% less dialogue choices, weaker enviroments, rushed zones, plot holes, going from A to B through small corridors with no real freedom.... Mass effect 3 just felt incredible lazy and rushed ( except for Rannoch and Tuchanka imo which was amazing, Patrick weekes <3 ).

   Dragon age and mass effect r both incredibly important to me and I do NOT want to see the same thing that happened to Mass effect 3 happen to Dragon age 3. That would break my heart. I honestly don't trust Bioware anymore and my hopes for DA3 are low indeed. If they do manage to pull off DA3 then that would mean everything to me tho.

This is exactly why david urged people to stop talking about economics because they don't know what they're talking about.The mass effect multiplayer is designed by a completely different team than the single player with a completely seperate budget.

[Raikas]

Focus on cutscenes

I would love to see cut-scenes that are timed a little better. The transition between a character-controlled movement and a cinematic sequences should be smooth enough that as a player it takes me a moment to even realize that I'm no longer controlling the character. I'd also like to see sequences that are a held past the point of the final action for dramatic effect (when it fits obviously, not in general). For example, the ending shot from "All that remains" felt a little too sudden to carry the impact that it could have with just a few extra seconds of music/panning out.

[XOGHunter246]

Maybe options of moving into Companions houses well for the ones that have one. If they like/love you you can move in with them. Also make mybe npcs who don't like your kind overcharge at stalls or act like they don't want you around in their town like elves and such. Make choices have more impact like the world changes as you make choices.

[CuriousArtemis]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

Maybe options of moving into Companions houses well for the ones that have one. If they like/love you you can move in with them. Also make mybe npcs who don't like your kind overcharge at stalls or act like they don't want you around in their town like elves and such. Make choices have more impact like the world changes as you make choices.

I like this idea! Like if your PC is human, then elves tend to be very aloof and/or rude to you. If PC is an elf, then humans are (in general) outright rude.

Moving into companions' houses would be neat/cute. Also, can I say that Isabela and Fenris not moving in with Hawke was just kind of annoying. Like, if this was supposed to be evidence of their free-spiritedness, then couldn't Hawke at least have had a conversation with them about moving in, just so we knew what was up? 

[David Gaider]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

DuskWarden wrote...

Since we don't know how much profit DA2 made, or similar games, about the only data we have to go on is sales figures from an unreliable website. People might draw bad conclusions from that data, but the only reason those conclusions are bad is because the data is bad. Garbage in, garbage out. You might say "Don't try to draw conclusions then" but people will inevitably try.

This is Gaider's point. Arguments of this nature are built on incomplete information when they shouldn't be. Gaider is suggesting that you should analyze within a scope that you do have complete information - what you, personally, liked or disliked about the game, rather than making it an economic analysis. It helps him and other devs a lot more when you do that than when you try to make it about economics.

The general problem with this is that many want to make their opinion seem stronger than simply their opinion, and thus present (incomplete) economic data as evidence that further supports their opinion. Unfortunately, this line of thinking doesn't work on a developer, because they have access to much more information than you do (the wonders of telemetry data, among other things) but are constrained for legal/professional reasons from divulging to the general public. Additionally, the people to whom the economic arguments would be effective aren't likely to be reading the forums either. Writers, animators, programmers, designers, artists, and the like aren't involved in the funding decisions of their games.

What the developer cares about is what you liked or disliked and why. That's all. You don't need to prove to him or her that it will make them more money in the long run, nor do you need to support it with sales figures from other games. All the developer cares about is the what and the why, because then they will then bring it up at a design meeting, usually starting off with something like "Someone on the forums said this, and I thought it was a really interesting point."

Well said, hoorayforicecream, and all true.

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 septembre 2012 - 08:10 .

[aries1001]

hmmm -let's see. I want a pony, a speedboat, and being able to go paragliding

Jokes aside....

I'll really like to see a plot like DA2's e.g. not about a chosen character saving the world - again. It would be cool, I think, to maybe have the ability to sail a boat.....or maybe have a mule to carry your bags. I also hope Dog can be a companion again.

And please turn down the colors and fireworks when using spells or throwing grenades...(in the game, I mean). I like distinct follower outfits but please give us the ability to find or buy (or do both) outfits for them.

Oh, and can we a get surferboard as well

[eroeru]

@BW responses

Thank you for stepping by the forums once in a while, it's kind of lowly and bothersome here (and I do sometimes notice myself contributing to this), but your responses give a sense of dialogue, which would be great if true.

And I sympathize with the claim that DA2's direction was in fact desireable for many people. But I do claim in response that it was far more, in effect, appalling to many who have enjoyed your games thus far (for games until ME, DA:O the prequel of ][ included), inso bringing down the overall "utility" of the change to a negative. Why would you consider the criticism of people who overall don't love your much-beloved game?

You can surely try to make the best of the situation, but it doesn't look optimism-inspiring as so far.

It resembles some politicians in Eastern Europe in the aftermath of WW2. Former ideals and allegiances were thrown away for newly-found profits. Just to wither in being hated or not understood by the crowd, and not being able to achieve anything with genuine autonomy.

Not saying that any of you should be accused of treason, but the promotional stuff and change of winds thus far have surely little to no consistency of artistic intergrity. It genuinely feels like treachury in some aspects, and I sadly sympathize with this emotion.

The whole of this "new direction" felt as cheap as can get.


But Bioware does have good things going for it - the creative staff seems exceptional, if given the right amount of freedom. :P

editz: dammit, I wanted to bring some optimism into play, but didn't really make it through. :bandit:

2nd ed: You're gods if you hold back on making a product, and just concentrate on making an exceptional game with care! In my honest opinion.
True story told.

Modifié par eroeru, 13 septembre 2012 - 08:32 .

[PinkDiamondstl]

To start with they should ban modding.

[Emzamination]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

To start with they should ban modding.

Good luck with that campaign, the last 2 times I tried to take that stance, I got alot of angry replies and pms.

Modifié par Emzamination, 13 septembre 2012 - 08:32 .

[Apollo Starflare]

Would a moderated sticky thread asking for fans to post once regarding what they want put into DA3 be a good way to get this feedback? Although saying that I seem to recall we had a very similar thread post-DA2?

Maria Caliban wrote...

ME 3 single player had problems, but none of those are the fault of multiplayer. And no, MP didn't steal resources from SP. And no, the ending wouldn't have been better without MP.

The only problem with Mass Effect MP is that you needed it to get 'the best' ending.

Indeed. 

A number of primarily single player games have successfully integrated multiplayer modes, and ME3 is one of them. It is added risk to some degree perhaps, but in of itself it isn't going to ruin a game.

The one thing that concerns me regarding DA3 potentially having multiplayer, is that unlike ME2 DA2 felt like it needed more development time, and thus adding more into the mix for a sequel seems a riskier proposition. That said we have little to no info on how DA3 is being developed, so for all we know a separate team is working on MP for DA3 or something.

Regardless, need more data.

[Sylvianus]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

To start with they should ban modding.

 why ?

I am on console, so I don't give a damn, but why does it affect you ? I can understand the point of view of a company, but what is yours exactly ? Why they should ban modding ? Just curious.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 13 septembre 2012 - 09:06 .

[coles4971]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

To start with they should ban modding.

butbutbutbut

how else will i get to dress my female party members in chainmail bikinis?????

[Allan Schumacher]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

To start with they should ban modding.

I'd argue we could probably spend the time actively preventing modding doing something else that'd be more productive.

Why do you suggest this?

[PinkDiamondstl]

Sylvianus wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

To start with they should ban modding.

 why ?

I am on console, so I don't give a damn, but why does it affect you ? I can understand the point of view of a company, but what is yours exactly ? Why they should ban modding ? Just curious.

I just think that it's unfair. From the start they get little extras that comes with their games like 
facial expressions for their in game avatars. That they could have been added [/i]easily. And now we have modders that can change their characters from head to toe.And we have to spend $$$ on the DLCs. Maybe I'm just bitter but I still believe that it should be banned.

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 13 septembre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Welsh Inferno]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I just think that it's unfair. From the start they get little extras that comes with their games like 
facial expressions for their in game avatars. That they could have been added [/i]easily. And now we have modders that can change their characters from head to toe.And we have to spend $$$ on the DLCs. Maybe I'm just bitter but I still believe that it should be banned.

So cause you are jealous that you cant mod, it must be banned? Er what? Modding is one of the perks of PC gaming. Always has been. Be better for BW to focus on other stuff anyway.

I'm also on console by the way. Also wish I could mod the game but so what If I cant.

[PinkDiamondstl]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I just think that it's unfair. From the start they get little extras that comes with their games like 
facial expressions for their in game avatars. That they could have been added [/i]easily. And now we have modders that can change their characters from head to toe.And we have to spend $$$ on the DLCs. Maybe I'm just bitter but I still believe that it should be banned.

So cause you are jealous that you cant mod, it must be banned? Er what? Modding is one of the perks of PC gaming. Always has been. Be better for BW to focus on other stuff anyway.

I'm also on console by the way. Also wish I could mod the game but so what If I cant.

It's still unfair to console players . Not all of us feel the way you do.

[eroeru]

Jelousy isn't a very good criteria for fairness and justice.

You should try feeling good for other people instead. Now that's utility.

[PinkDiamondstl]

I don't see that happening.
And also is BioWare really committed to the idea of not making morgan's old god baby canon?
Because I would love to see how that story ends.

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 13 septembre 2012 - 10:02 .

[philippe willaume]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I just think that it's unfair. From the start they get little extras that comes with their games like 
facial expressions for their in game avatars. That they could have been added [/i]easily. And now we have modders that can change their characters from head to toe.And we have to spend $$$ on the DLCs. Maybe I'm just bitter but I still believe that it should be banned.

So cause you are jealous that you cant mod, it must be banned? Er what? Modding is one of the perks of PC gaming. Always has been. Be better for BW to focus on other stuff anyway.

I'm also on console by the way. Also wish I could mod the game but so what If I cant.

It's still unfair to console players . Not all of us feel the way you do.

hence the rest of the world should suffer?
you know an aletrnative would be for you to get a PC.
phil

[Sylvianus]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I just think that it's unfair. From the start they get little extras that comes with their games like 
facial expressions for their in game avatars. That they could have been added [/i]easily. And now we have modders that can change their characters from head to toe.And we have to spend $$$ on the DLCs. Maybe I'm just bitter but I still believe that it should be banned.

So cause you are jealous that you cant mod, it must be banned? Er what? Modding is one of the perks of PC gaming. Always has been. Be better for BW to focus on other stuff anyway.

I'm also on console by the way. Also wish I could mod the game but so what If I cant.

Well, to be honest, I did feel jealous once,  with DAII, where I couldn't do anything with my companions with always the sames clothes, while other pc gamers can fix this issue a bit. I felt really depressed one day while watching a thread with DAII companions and new outfits modded.  But when i've seen what people made with M3, I was happy for them, and I am always happy to see what they do. Because there I felt that I had something in my game even if it was much less. XD

Otherwise I totally understand that consoles have much less possibilities than pcs, so I don't care If I need to pay some dlcs for more stuff while pc gamers can have modding. I liked the outfit dlcs with M2 and I liked that in the skyrim's dlc, they added many armors for console gamers. ( since pc gamers didn't need them ).

Personally I hope It won't end.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 14 septembre 2012 - 01:13 .

[Realmzmaster]

Trying to prevent modding is just a waste of resources. Basically it will fail and simply generate ill will toward Bioware among PC gamers. There is already enough backlash because DA2 does not have a toolkit, but that did not prevent modding. It made it more difficult.

If a gamer chooses to mod his/her game why should any one else care? If the gamer chooses to provide the mod for free to others why is that a problem? The modder is taking nothing from the company. If a modder wants to put in the time to create a mod for NWN, DAO or DA2 what is the harm? It is their time and their dime.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 13 septembre 2012 - 10:09 .

[SomniariKess1124]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I don't see that happening.

Modding is meant to improve the game, to make it more appealing to the player, and if i made a video game, that's what i'd want. To keep people interested in the game. And since you mention Console, my DA2 is on Console, so i know how you feel. But keeping people interested in the game series is what Video Game companies are all about. If mods keeps the customers happy and the sales going, it's all worth it in the end. Besides, even if you ban modding, people will still do it anyway, one way or another. It's all about keeping the player Interested. Games can get boring after several hundred play-throughs, why not allow a bit of change of scenery for once?

[Darth Death]

philippe willaume wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I just think that it's unfair. From the start they get little extras that comes with their games like 
facial expressions for their in game avatars. That they could have been added [/i]easily. And now we have modders that can change their characters from head to toe.And we have to spend $$$ on the DLCs. Maybe I'm just bitter but I still believe that it should be banned.

So cause you are jealous that you cant mod, it must be banned? Er what? Modding is one of the perks of PC gaming. Always has been. Be better for BW to focus on other stuff anyway.

I'm also on console by the way. Also wish I could mod the game but so what If I cant.

It's still unfair to console players . Not all of us feel the way you do.

hence the rest of the world should suffer?
you know an aletrnative would be for you to get a PC.
phil

Misery loves company.

[Sandy]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

To start with they should ban modding.

 why ?

I am on console, so I don't give a damn, but why does it affect you ? I can understand the point of view of a company, but what is yours exactly ? Why they should ban modding ? Just curious.

I just think that it's unfair. From the start they get little extras that comes with their games like 
facial expressions for their in game avatars. That they could have been added [/i]easily. And now we have modders that can change their characters from head to toe.And we have to spend $$$ on the DLCs. Maybe I'm just bitter but I still believe that it should be banned.

Wow... just wow. The "if I can't have it no one should" argument. Never actually thought I would see anyone openly use it without trying to create the illusion of having another justified reason. Good on you for being honest I guess... But the actual idea of banning modding and the logic behind it... just wow.

[Amirit]

 

David Gaider wrote...
Well said, hoorayforicecream, and all true.

As well as it said, it does not help in any way. Even when one does know why something is happening the way it does - he still can be upset about it. And when one does not know and only see some signs of unwelcome (for him) changes - it makes him worry even more. 

Should there be weekly community Q&A  like in SWtoR, or official polls and official threads about payers preferences (as OP requested) - weeping and whining would be a bit more constructive. People would feel their involvement regardless of outcome. But it's not the case. Unsatisfied hunger can not be stopped by calming words or admitting that nothing can be done (told) for now.

Anyone and everyone on these forums have the deepest respect to you and eternal love to BW games. It's the love that makes us worry. One word of reassurance like "we have money and free to write the story  and shape the game as we pleased" or "budget is tight but have faith, we know what we are doing and outside pressure (yes, EA influence) will not ruin it" - could probably calm half of the crowd. But I guess even that would be counted as "information leakage" and forbidden.

Modifié par Amirit, 13 septembre 2012 - 10:14 .