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[Lord Niah]

Nathair Nimheil wrote...

It's just another example of the American aversion to UE. It's no longer cheque, it's check. Catalogue and analogue have become catalog and analog. Banque has become bank. So they know that there's a u in there somewhere, but they just can't bring themselves to put it in front of that e. They have a vague notion that ou is possible sometimes, somewhere (even though they have abandoned it on colour and  honour and plough) and so rogue becomes rouge.

You can try to have a dialogue with them about it, but that's no help since they only engage in dialog and it's no good starting an arguement because they only participate in arguments and they never play favourites.



Don't get me started on there their and they're or two to and too or it's and its and don't even mention lite or tonite.

It is because the Americans tried to rationalize the English language.  The problem with the English language is that it is actually several languages grafted together with no rhyme or reason.  First you got a nice solid Anglo-Saxon base mixed with Old Norse so that we get Old English (i.e. a proper Germanic language).  But then a bunch of French-speaking Vikings decide to invade and we've got big problems.  Now we have a ton of old Norman French vocabulary thrown in.  Words like "Colour".   It gets even worse when the English, who are suffering from a massive inferiority complex, start borrowing more French words, and then Latin words.  

So you have crazy words like Banque. 

Let's all be honest, the French language is seriously messed up.  They have a real problem with adding letters to words without the slightest intention of ever pronouncing those letters.  This is just crazy.

So Americans try to make English more consistent by dropping all those useless extra letters and making things more solidly Germanic.   Bank is a nice manly way to spell it.   Color flows with such symmetry as opposed to the abomination of a word "colour".  When I try to pronounce that French-sounding word, it causes my throat to twist up into knots. Couloooooor!

So what does this have to do with the word "rogue"?   Simple.  I say we just spell it roge.  You all know that's the way you really want to spell it.   And when it comes to the word "rouge", let's just use the word "red" instead.    

[Photon_Man62]

roge

monologe

banq

cheq



wat

[Nathair Nimheil]

It is because the Americans tried to rationalize the English language.

Intentional rationalization is a theory but I subscribe to the laziness theory myself; just spell it like it sounds cuz its easy. Pronunciation takes the same kind of hit (nook-you-lar?) but that's another discussion.

So you have crazy words like Banque. 

Let's all be honest, the French language is seriously messed up.  They have a real problem with adding letters to words without the slightest intention of ever pronouncing those letters.  This is just crazy.

Francophobia and imposed gender stereotypes aside, bank (banque) comes originally from the Old Italian banca. Rogue (according to the OED) in English is unrelated to rogue ("arrogant") in French and instead probably stems from sixteenth century English slang for a vagrant beggar.

[Lord Niah]

Nathair Nimheil wrote...

It is because the Americans tried to rationalize the English language.

Intentional rationalization is a theory but I subscribe to the laziness theory myself; just spell it like it sounds cuz its easy. Pronunciation takes the same kind of hit (nook-you-lar?) but that's another discussion.

So you have crazy words like Banque. 

Let's all be honest, the French language is seriously messed up.  They have a real problem with adding letters to words without the slightest intention of ever pronouncing those letters.  This is just crazy.

Francophobia and imposed gender stereotypes aside, bank (banque) comes originally from the Old Italian banca. Rogue (according to the OED) in English is unrelated to rogue ("arrogant") in French and instead probably stems from sixteenth century English slang for a vagrant beggar.

I wasn't being serious.

[Nick the Weregoat]

TastyLaksa wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

I could understand it to some extent if the g and the u on keyboards was close together enough to accidentally type the wrong one first, but they aren't really close enough to justify that. What makes it even more comical is when they state the word "rouge" in rogue class discussion threads.

I think most of them do it because they think it is cool, when in fact all it does is make them to look like complete and utter dorks.

Also makes me wonder if any of them went to see the movie "Moulin Rouge" expecting it to be about a rogue

Enchantment?

ENCHANTMENT!!

[Neotribe]

I laughed, Niah. Or laffed, even.



I don't understand the love for Sandal. I've seriously considered trying to mod him to be silent. I find it to be a serious immersion breaker that I can't slap him across the eyes.



Of course Bioware's nuanced ethical system being what it is, I'm sure that'd make his old man pack up shop and hit the road.

[thegreateski]

Nathair Nimheil wrote...

It's just another example of the American aversion to UE. It's no longer cheque, it's check. Catalogue and analogue have become catalog and analog. Banque has become bank. So they know that there's a u in there somewhere, but they just can't bring themselves to put it in front of that e. They have a vague notion that ou is possible sometimes, somewhere (even though they have abandoned it on colour and  honour and plough) and so rogue becomes rouge.

You can try to have a dialogue with them about it, but that's no help since they only engage in dialog and it's no good starting an arguement because they only participate in arguments and they never play favourites.



Don't get me started on there their and they're or two to and too or it's and its and don't even mention lite or tonite.

[janus0891]

Neotribe wrote...

There, their and they're are errors, plain and simple. Tonite is a neologism seen on both side of the pond.

The sense of infelicity about "UE" in SAE is real, though the one about "OU" is not. (u c wut I did there LOL?)

Arguement vs. Argument is actually a bit of a pain in the rear, as I read plenty of British authors and am apt to spell it either way. I'm sure it looks funny to the recipients of emails or texts that haven't been spell checked.

BTW, to me the -RE to -ER difference is the most striking from  British to Standard American.  Litre to Liter, Metre to Meter, etc.  Also the contraction of ae to e-- orthopaedic to orthopedic.  For all your big talk, you Brits are a pack of Latinate Francophiles.

That wouldn't be suprising since more than  a third  of English words come from the French/Latin (or have similar roots )  , the French language  was spoken by the English nobility for more than 3 centuries

http://french.about....chinenglish.htm

Modifié par janus0891, 27 décembre 2009 - 12:26 .

[Neotribe]

In other news, 2+2=4 .

http://www.someusele..._the_point.html

Modifié par Neotribe, 27 décembre 2009 - 12:37 .

[janus0891]

I ain't missing the point , i couldn't be more spot on actually , Brits use -re , litre etc.. because it is the original spelling  , thats what i was answering  .   there was no need for your ridiculous answer btw , it's unkind and contributes nothing   . 

Modifié par janus0891, 27 décembre 2009 - 01:04 .

[Neotribe]

You were answering a question that wasn't asked. Everyone joking around here already understands that English contains roots from German, French, Latin etc...

[Photon_Man62]

how do i laff drawf?



help plz

[AsheraII]

Nick the Weregoat wrote...

ENCHANTMENT!!

Enchantuematique!

[Verticae]

Nathair Nimheil wrote...
Intentional rationalization is a theory but I subscribe to the laziness theory myself; just spell it like it sounds cuz its easy.

Ah, yes, because it's easy.


Sorry, couldn't help myself. :x

[Varenus Luckmann]

It has nothing to do with the fact of most rogues being female.

It has everything to do with the fact of most people being idiots.

[AsheraII]

I had this Blood Elf paladin in WoW. Now THAT was one piece of rouge!

[Tirigon]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

It has nothing to do with the fact of most rogues being female.
It has everything to do with the fact of most people being idiots.

Is there a need to tell this to everyone? Most people´s idiocy is a secret that should be kept by the few who aren´t idiots, it was never meant to be known by everyone. Idiots might be offended, and then they would start crying, jump around, whine and... well, you dont want to see it.

[Callistani]

 Never argue with utter idiots. They bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

[Aldandil]

I honestly find this constantly reoccuring misspelling rather interesting. It can't simply be because so many people don't know how to spell it, I've seen posts on these forums and others made by people who seemed very literate who occasionally misspelled "rogue". They sometimes have both "rogue" and "rouge" in the same post. I believe the reason for this is that "rouge" is actually easier to type. I think that is the reason for most occurences of "rouge", that people on forums type fast rather than correctly.

[Photon_Man62]

"It can't simply be because so many people don't know how to spell it"

Yes it can.



"They sometimes have both "rogue" and "rouge" in the same post."

If you type quickly, you sometimes make a typo. e.g. If yuo tyep qiuckly, yuo soemtimes maek a tpyo.

See? Simple physical mistakes.

[DragonRageGT]

Funny argument between

Those who are the "only ones" driving in the "right side of the road" (the rest of the world drives on the wrong side)
vs
Those who are the actually the only ones who can't enjoy a real "football" match and even call it soccer!

Edit: Forgot it... Call them Ladinos and there you have it, problem solved! (I hate translation!)

Modifié par RageGT, 27 décembre 2009 - 10:02 .

[Ghandorian]

I think the one being such an uncommon word, it just gets substituted for something that looks more familiar. But the poor guys like me who were Hooked On Phonics and spent the day in the tech-wing don't really have the right to comment here.



And I like that statement about ideowhater. The only Languages that are fixed are the dead ones. Anything still current is evolving.