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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The more I think about it, the less impressed I am with Miranda.

Her biggest problems are she looks too good and her dad is rich.

How are these, problems ?

YOU HAVE TO ASK?  FIRST OFF. 

Dear Jack... When are you going to learn that I'm a lot scarier than you?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Miranda is the patron saint of first world problems. And she csn be one of the most annoying squadmates, even compared to liara. At least liara never made a speech about how hard her life was.

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Dear Jack... When are you going to learn that I'm a lot scarier than you?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Miranda is the patron saint of first world problems. And she csn be one of the most annoying squadmates, even compared to liara. At least liara never made a speech about how hard her life was.

Yup, only a speech about how bad it was that Thessia got hit (while nearly everywhere else was burning and had been for months prior to Thessia being attacked).

[Cainhurst Crow]

But that's not important enough for miranda to help shepard, cause she's hurting and she's trying to fix the bigger issues here, like her daddy issues and stupid martyr complex against cerberu. And she gotta go solo while whining about hoe her prefect ass makes her life so hard snd how she needs to be a lone wolf because of it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Miranda is the patron saint of first world problems. And she csn be one of the most annoying squadmates, even compared to liara. At least liara never made a speech about how hard her life was.

Yup, only a speech about how bad it was that Thessia got hit (while nearly everywhere else was burning and had been for months prior to Thessia being attacked).

To be fair, all of her best friends that weren't on the Normandy probably just died on top of her realizing her religion was a lie and that her vision of her speicies was completely wrong.

Well, you think she'd have stop and realize that the Asari had it coming by not doing anything to prepare for the Reapers. Not that it would have done much in the long run anyway, but it wouldn't have been so karmically satisfying.

[Rotward]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Miranda is the patron saint of first world problems. And she csn be one of the most annoying squadmates, even compared to liara. At least liara never made a speech about how hard her life was.

Yup, only a speech about how bad it was that Thessia got hit (while nearly everywhere else was burning and had been for months prior to Thessia being attacked).

To be fair, all of her best friends that weren't on the Normandy probably just died on top of her realizing her religion was a lie and that her vision of her speicies was completely wrong.

Plus her first century of study was redundant, and had she been in the loop, she could have accessed that information from the beacon. Honestly, why wouldn't she be upset when thesia got hit? It'd we worse if she were just... cool with it. 

Modifié par Rotward, 29 novembre 2013 - 03:57 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

But that's not important enough for miranda to help shepard, cause she's hurting and she's trying to fix the bigger issues here, like her daddy issues and stupid martyr complex against cerberu. And she gotta go solo while whining about hoe her prefect ass makes her life so hard snd how she needs to be a lone wolf because of it.

That's a bit unfair. Yes, running off after her sister was rather intrusive. I think that was handled terribly by the writers to be honest, having her run off after her sister, even if my Shepard's entire motivation for stopping the Reapers lies entirely on ensuring Miranda's safety and making a life with her post-war. 

In fact, I dare say that this is provoking due to how inaccurate it is. Miranda doesn't have a martyr complex against Cerberus. She's seeing that they're up to something and following leads since following Cerberus will also lead to Oriana. Her father issues are indeed something that I can see as being utterly debilitating. There's a little something I'd call psychological trauma, and believe me, I've had to work with people who've been ****ed up by a parent their entire life. They have do indeed suffer a lot of psychological damage, some from esteem issues, others with confidence, and some couldn't cope and even killed themselves out of being literally driven mad by the fact that their mother or father (or both) set them up to fail to a point where they can't acknoweldge anything they've done in their life as worthwhile or succesful. She's not one trying to be a lone wolf. She doesn't whine about how hard her life is. She acknowledges the difficulty in trying to psychologically move past her father and has difficulty coming to terms with how her gifts and perfection were created simply so her father could show her off as a trophy child for his own benefit. There was no love in her life. No love from her father. She wasn't viewed as a child so much as she was viewed as an achievement, a testament to the man's egomania. Her whole arc involves overcoming her problem of realizing that she is indeed her own person, and she can truly put her talents and skills to use without attributing them to her father. I don't know where the lone wolf thing of yours comes in. It's simply not true.

[Cainhurst Crow]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Miranda is the patron saint of first world problems. And she csn be one of the most annoying squadmates, even compared to liara. At least liara never made a speech about how hard her life was.

Yup, only a speech about how bad it was that Thessia got hit (while nearly everywhere else was burning and had been for months prior to Thessia being attacked).

To be fair, all of her best friends that weren't on the Normandy probably just died on top of her realizing her religion was a lie and that her vision of her speicies was completely wrong.

Well, you think she'd have stop and realize that the Asari had it coming by not doing anything to prepare for the Reapers. Not that it would have done much in the long run anyway, but it wouldn't have been so karmically satisfying.

So she should just be an emotionless **** who puts her needs ahead of her species, like mirandass does with her daddy sister issues?

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 29 novembre 2013 - 04:03 .

[spirosz]

I like this thread now.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Miranda is the patron saint of first world problems. And she csn be one of the most annoying squadmates, even compared to liara. At least liara never made a speech about how hard her life was.

Yup, only a speech about how bad it was that Thessia got hit (while nearly everywhere else was burning and had been for months prior to Thessia being attacked).

To be fair, all of her best friends that weren't on the Normandy probably just died on top of her realizing her religion was a lie and that her vision of her speicies was completely wrong.

Well, you think she'd have stop and realize that the Asari had it coming by not doing anything to prepare for the Reapers. Not that it would have done much in the long run anyway, but it wouldn't have been so karmically satisfying.

So she should just be an emotionless **** who puts her needs ahead of her species, like mirandass does with her daddy sister issues?

Maybe. What is the purpose of fighting the Reapers for you anyway? 

My goals come first, yes. I won't lie on saying that any of my goals stem from anything greater than selfish desire. What that desire is varies by the individual. 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 29 novembre 2013 - 04:07 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

My goal is to make sure as many people as possible survive this war, not just humans, or my friends, or my love, but as many as I can. I will go through hell and back to fight for everyones survival, suffer as much as possible, sacrifice and lose whatever it takes to tske the reapers down and stop their eradication of all life for good.

Thsf is whsts most important for my shepard, even if it cost him what matters most. Because there are bigger things on the line then his own satisfaction.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

My goal is to make sure as many people as possible survive this war, not just humans, or my friends, or my love, but as many as I can. I will go through hell and back to fight for everyones survival, suffer as much as possible, sacrifice and lose whatever it takes to tske the reapers down and stop their eradication of all life for good.

Thsf is whsts most important for my shepard, even if it cost him what matters most. Because there are bigger things on the line then his own satisfaction.

As long as Miranda is alive, I can follow that goal. If she's in danger, her survival is number one priority. I'll sacrifice whatever I have to to keep her alive.

I'm fighting for myself. My own interest. My own meaning. I don't even hate the Reapers per se. We have a conflict of interest that is incompatible for either party. 

I'm not altruistic, nor do I have any inclination to be. Too often has my efforts simply gone to have no effect, that I simply don't feel that they're really worth my sacrifice anymore.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Honestly, I don't feel one person is bigger than the survival of everyone. I'd sacrifice any one person, including myself, to save everyone.

You don't see it the same way, but I just want to express my opinion.

That's fine. 

[CynicalShep]

Rotward wrote...

Trolling is delibrately derailing a thread, or pissing people off, just because one can. 

I saw your interprutation of massively's stance the way I view US media: leaving out details to dramatize issues. That said, someone called massively delusional, and massively did say something about sociopathic backstabbing... *cough*

Your personal attack on davey was the biggest red flag. Were I aware of your prior acquantence, I probably wouldn't have cried troll. Still, you attacked him personally, and offered no counterarguments. How do you think denial works, if you disagree with his assesment? You don't like it when people state their opinions as facts, but it seems to me, you stated your opinon as fact. 

I'll give you that religious debate was on topic as a comparison, but you went on to claim that this thread and all religious debate is pointless. While I don't disagree, it looks inflamatory, and it's you stating your opinion as a fact. 

This thread was long off the rails before I even posted here. In fact, given that I called for the end of an argument and added to the discussion I did more to bring it back on topic than I did to derail it. There were a lot of back and forth arguments, disguised insults and so on. And there were more than 2 posters in the argument, too. That's why I left out the details. 

I don't know how long you have been around but my "personal attack" is nothing compared to what Davey does on an average day. I find it amusing that you said absolutely nothing when he attacked Massively in this very thread and got on my back when I did the same to Davey. Might be just me, but it would seem that you are hardly impartial. And unlike him I didn't call anybody stupid, I just said he was bad with people, which I believe he is. 

And I'll quote it for you:

David7204 wrote...

But it's not actions. It's words. A person continually repeating something to himself or herself is the surest sign they don't believe it. If Miranda really believed being 'normal' was so great she wouldn't feel any need to say so.

Do I really have to explain why this is "surest" nonsense?

And lastly, how many religious debates have you seen that ended in "I can see it clearly now. Boy, how wrong was I"? Yeah, I've never seen anything like that either, especially when 2 headstrong people clash. It's not because we're asses, either. We are programmed to disregard all evidence that endangers our beliefs, it's human nature. Best case scenario would have been a "Let's agree to disagree". Trust me, I might be blunt but I'm hardly combative. There were far more inflamatory things in this thread that you chose to overlook. May I ask why?

Modifié par CynicalShep, 29 novembre 2013 - 04:54 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Honestly though, I don't dislike Miranda. I just don't find her as compelling a character as other characters. She's kind of like Liara in that sense for me. I can see the appeal, but I don't feel it.

Of course. We all have different ideas on what we find compelling and interesting and good.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Miranda, Tali, and Jack are both tied for romance choices for my male shepard tbh, all of them are good romances for different reasons, and I enjoy them all for different reasons. Mainly to clash with the LI in question, like putting my bend the rules renegade with miranda and seeing the opposite personalities collide, or my hopeless idealistic and optimistic shepard with jack, to see them both changed by each others experiences into more complex people.

The romances in bioware games aren't as bad as they could be. They have much to be desired, but they're still pretty cool. I just wish there weren't so many creeps who end up giving them a horrible reputation and overblow the crap out of how good they are.

[CynicalShep]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Honestly though, I don't dislike Miranda. I just don't find her as compelling a character as other characters. She's kind of like Liara in that sense for me. I can see the appeal, but I don't feel it.

but dat ass doe

[spirosz]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

so many creeps

YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW.  CALLING THEM INTERESTING, MORE TO BE DESIRED, YOU CREEP.  

[Br3admax]

Jack be cray, tbh. She hit me.

[spirosz]

Br3ad wrote...

Jack be cray, tbh. She hit me.

In the heart?  I know, she does that.