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[jtav]

I think the EC does a great deal to repair Miranda. We see Miranda moving from isolation into a community/family. She's shown doing what looks like impressive stuff in Control, but it's alongside Ori. Those two parts of her life are no longer in conflict. Which is what her arc should have been from the beginning.

[Wayning_Star]

seems like evolution in the MEU tends to involve folks with trigger happiness...

[Rasofe]

jtav wrote...

I think the EC does a great deal to repair Miranda. We see Miranda moving from isolation into a community/family. She's shown doing what looks like impressive stuff in Control, but it's alongside Ori. Those two parts of her life are no longer in conflict. Which is what her arc should have been from the beginning.

Free balance opposing constrained lopsidedness? Yes, I can get behind that.
It's nice because Kaidan's story is that constrained balance is better than free lopsidedness. Well, what story he has. Back in ME1...

Also, in Destroy, Miranda is clearly running for colonial government. Or at least I think it's clear. I may be overclarifying it. Together, Shepard and Lawson will rule the galaxy (or maybe just some colonies)!

Modifié par Rasofe, 25 novembre 2013 - 05:03 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I think the EC does a great deal to repair Miranda. We see Miranda moving from isolation into a community/family. She's shown doing what looks like impressive stuff in Control, but it's alongside Ori. Those two parts of her life are no longer in conflict. Which is what her arc should have been from the beginning.

If you choose Control, yes. I still regret that there isn't a maleShep analogue of Citadel's "trouble-shooting space divas" conversation. There's friendship, Miranda can relax (her laugh is beautiful, and all the more for its rarity), but they both acknowledge that they're two of a kind. That's what I always wanted for my Miranda-romancing Shepards. Now I get it only for my non-Miranda-romancing Shepards:mellow:

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 novembre 2013 - 04:36 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
There's friendship, Miranda can relax (her laugh is beautiful, and all the more for its rarity), but they both acknowledge that they're two of a kind.

Well, the Miranda romance is supposed to have a bit of a "macho" vibe.

That's already true in 2, though, as I recall, those scenes (or those sections of scenes) don't really work all that well, and, despite the ass shots and everything, as far as I can tell, Miranda's appeal has never really been as a "conquest" for macho players. (Or maybe there aren't too many players who are looking for that, or they are believed to be part of the ultra-casual audience?)

Anyway, Miranda's extreme fragility in 3 is partly a continuation of that. Overwhelmed by the power of Shepard's virtual masculinity, she is now mostly the "tragic girlfriend" who can't get over him as he returns to the Alliance and his ME1 romances (speaking of the core game).

But Miranda ends up with some really good content in Citadel.

The casino scene especially is a return to the macho vibe, and, honestly, I think it works better here than previously. It's a much more protective and nurturing macho vibe, different from elsewhere.

Modifié par flemm, 28 novembre 2013 - 10:01 .

[Rotward]

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Rotward wrote...

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

It wasn't, not to mention she never said anything about Akuze. And she had nothing to do with it anyway. Why hold it against her personally? She put in 2 years of her life to bring you back to life. 

Hell, my sole survivor Shepard outright approves of the action once he learns its true purpose. He holds blame on the alliance for it, since it was under their action at the time.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:37 .

[Ryzaki]

Rotward wrote...

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

Wait what? She said that? When? (I'm pretty sure the devs probably used the SS dialogue interchangeably with the rest and forgot how utterly BAD that looked considering they ignored it all ME2).

That said if she started up Cerberus doing that crap again my Shep would waste no time killing her. If she thought Kai Leng was relentless...and she won't be able to escape from him.

And that's my paragon.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:36 .

[Steelcan]

Rotward wrote...

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

you do know that Akuze was carried out by Allianced scientists woorking for an Alliance black ops group right?

The blame is on Alliance heads.

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

you do know that Akuze was carried out by Allianced scientists woorking for an Alliance black ops group right?

The blame is on Alliance heads.

...Still mad Shep becomes an alliance yes man the second he's in ME3. Be able to be displeased about working with the alliance my ass BW.

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

you do know that Akuze was carried out by Allianced scientists woorking for an Alliance black ops group right?

The blame is on Alliance heads.

...Still mad Shep becomes an alliance yes man the second he's in ME3. Be able to be displeased about working with the alliance my ass BW.

Don't get me started<_<

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

you do know that Akuze was carried out by Allianced scientists woorking for an Alliance black ops group right?

The blame is on Alliance heads.

...Still mad Shep becomes an alliance yes man the second he's in ME3. Be able to be displeased about working with the alliance my ass BW.

You have no idea...

[Ryzaki]

*gets Steelcan started*

Everytime I think about that then play ME3 my heart breaks a little. I had such nice dreams about ME3. A "ah yes 'Reapers'." dialogue choice and telling the alliance to kiss my ass at least once. But noooooooo.

And yes childish but renedouche is the epitome of childishness in some scenes. I just can't do it in ME3

@Massive:  XD

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 novembre 2013 - 04:45 .

[DeinonSlayer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

you do know that Akuze was carried out by Allianced scientists woorking for an Alliance black ops group right?

The blame is on Alliance heads.

...Still mad Shep becomes an alliance yes man the second he's in ME3. Be able to be displeased about working with the alliance my ass BW.

You have no idea...

I have at least one Shepard who would have gone that way. Opportunity lost.

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

*gets Steelcan started*

Everytime I think about that then play ME3 my heart breaks a little. I had such nice dreams about ME3. A "ah yes 'Reapers'." dialogue choice and telling the alliance to kiss my ass at least once. But noooooooo.

And yes childish but renedouche is the epitome of childishness in some scenes. I just can't do it in ME3

@Massive:  XD

I was fully expecting the option of siding with TIM in the end...

Then came that scene with Anderson....<_<

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*gets Steelcan started*

Everytime I think about that then play ME3 my heart breaks a little. I had such nice dreams about ME3. A "ah yes 'Reapers'." dialogue choice and telling the alliance to kiss my ass at least once. But noooooooo.

And yes childish but renedouche is the epitome of childishness in some scenes. I just can't do it in ME3

@Massive:  XD

I was fully expecting the option of siding with TIM in the end...

Then came that scene with Anderson....<_<

Nah I figured that ship had sailed by Thessia. Once I heard "indoctrinated presence detected." I figured he was a lost cause. Sanctuary was just the nail in the coffin.

I was more surprised by Starbrat saying Control was an actual option.

Still man I still remember all those prerelease lies. They burn so much. I remember when people were upset about the 2 choice majority and then some dev (not sure who it was) came in with some BS that was the exception and not the majority of dialogue choices (LOL).

[Steelcan]

The dialogue wheel was so atrocious in ME3, renegade fused with neutral in most parts but also went full sociopath.

Or in some cases it didn't change anything just the tone of what you said, like with Joker, you can A, get mad at him or B, get mad at him.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah I miss my neutral option most times it was the most kickass option. If ME2 hadn't tied the freaking persuade to having to pick paragon/renegade all the damn time more people would've picked neutral options. But nooo instead of just fixing that they fixed that and then removed the neutral option.

>_>

(Neutral option on Jacob's loyalty mission is my fav)

And yeah it made those cases of the dialogue being almost identical even worse. Especially with all that auto dialogue. The few choices we even get and they're not even that different. Ugh.

[Steelcan]

Auto-dialogue is probably my least favorite thing in ME3, between the geth and no Kal Reegar

[Ryzaki]

The auto dialogue was terrible. At least in ME2 most of the autodialogue was rather neutral and just Shep stating something obvious. Not so in ME3...killing Kal Reegar was a shame.

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

The auto dialogue was terrible. At least in ME2 most of the autodialogue was rather neutral and just Shep stating something obvious. Not so in ME3...killing Kal Reegar was a shame.

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

Auto-dialogue is probably my least favorite thing in ME3, between the geth and no Kal Reegar

They both had so much potential... one got tossed out the airlock and the other got a wooden nose.



Great picture, BTW.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 27 novembre 2013 - 05:25 .

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Auto-dialogue is probably my least favorite thing in ME3, between the geth and no Kal Reegar

They both had so much potential... one got tossed out the airlock and the other got a wooden nose.



Great picture, BTW.

If only he had gotten tossed out the airlock, he could have survived...  Gotta have air in those suits and if Early could do it quarian Jayne Cobb shouldn't have trouble.

nice pic yourself, thats on the list for thanksgiving movies this week

[ImaginaryMatter]

Steelcan wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

you do know that Akuze was carried out by Allianced scientists woorking for an Alliance black ops group right?

The blame is on Alliance heads.

When was that information revealed? I'm sure one of the videos that's takes place during the Cerberus Headquarters revealed that Cerberus was indeed behind the Akuze attacks. And additionally I thought the groups history was retconned so they never were an Alliance black ops team?

[wolfhowwl]

ME1 clearly states that it was Cerberus.

A Sole Survivor (or any Shepard that completed those assignments) just deciding to work for Cerberus is really stupid. Bioware deciding to justify forcing you to work for a terrorist organization by retconning the end of ME1 and having the Council/Alliance/everyone else go completely stupid was terrible writing.

AlexMBrennan wrote...

74 Wrex wrote...

Miranda Lawson is alright
I don't know why all the hate for Miranda is for

That's understandable since everyone, including Bioware has forgotten that Cerberus are evil terrorists; as it happens, pulling an Uriah gambit is the only way the player can exert any control.
If you want the protagonist to become an evil terrorist then maybe don't make it a sequel to a gem where Shepard shoots all Cerberus operatives on sight for killing his unit on Akuze.

There was really no need for TIM's organization to be Cerberus other than the name being cool and trying to keep some connection between the games. As the retcons and railroading were destructive to the setting it was clearly a misstep.