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[DeinonSlayer]

wolfhowwl wrote...

A Sole Survivor (or any Shepard that completed those assignments) just deciding to work for Cerberus is really stupid. Bioware deciding to justify forcing you to work for a terrorist organization by retconning the end of ME1 and having the Council/Alliance/everyone else go completely stupid was terrible writing.

Unless you RP that Shepard was with Cerberus all the way through the timeline of ME1.

[Steelcan]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Maranda Lawson thinks that the lone survivor of akuze shouldn't be mad because the annihilation of his or her entire squad wasn't personal.

This is why I've never offered her alliance intel, should she survive me2.

you do know that Akuze was carried out by Allianced scientists woorking for an Alliance black ops group right?

The blame is on Alliance heads.

When was that information revealed? I'm sure one of the videos that's takes place during the Cerberus Headquarters revealed that Cerberus was indeed behind the Akuze attacks. And additionally I thought the groups history was retconned so they never were an Alliance black ops team?

I was never aware that it was officially retconned, its even mentioned in ME3.

But think about it, the scientists were Alliance by Hackett's own admission, Cerberus was black ops at the time.  Ergo the scientists were Alliance scientists working on a top secret project.

[ImaginaryMatter]

wolfhowwl wrote...

ME1 clearly states that it was Cerberus.

A Sole Survivor (or any Shepard that completed those assignments) just deciding to work for Cerberus is really stupid. Bioware deciding to justify forcing you to work for a terrorist organization by retconning the end of ME1 and having the Council/Alliance/everyone else go completely stupid was terrible writing.

AlexMBrennan wrote...

74 Wrex wrote...

Miranda Lawson is alright
I don't know why all the hate for Miranda is for

That's understandable since everyone, including Bioware has forgotten that Cerberus are evil terrorists; as it happens, pulling an Uriah gambit is the only way the player can exert any control.
If you want the protagonist to become an evil terrorist then maybe don't make it a sequel to a gem where Shepard shoots all Cerberus operatives on sight for killing his unit on Akuze.

There was really no need for TIM's organization to be Cerberus other than the name being cool and trying to keep some connection between the games. As the retcons and railroading were destructive to the setting it was clearly a misstep.

It is pretty telling that you can never bring up Cerberus' actions during ME1 with TIM.

"Eh, so you're the leader of Cerberus? Weren't you the guys who unleashed some Rachni on a group of Marines in the Styx Theta cluster? I also met another guy who claimed you did something similar with Thresher Maws a few years before that. You also killed a respected Alliance admiral and an entire colony by converting them to husks.

"Wait a moment. I thought you were a pro-human group. Why are all your victims human? "

*editted for spelling errors*

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 27 novembre 2013 - 06:49 .

[Jorji Costava]

If I remember correctly, there is a conversation with Miranda where you can bring up some of the Cerberus experiments from ME1, like the Rachni, etc. It's not something you can pursue in great depth, and given the circumstances, I'm not sure I'd want to. It would probably just make my character look weak-willed or indecisive if, in spite of these strong moral objections to Cerberus, he or she was still working for them. This is another reason why I think that you shouldn't have been forced to work with Cerberus in ME2, or at the very least, there could have been a much stronger pretext for doing so.

[ImaginaryMatter]

wolfhowwl wrote...

There was really no need for TIM's organization to be Cerberus other than the name being cool and trying to keep some connection between the games. As the retcons and railroading were destructive to the setting it was clearly a misstep.

I think Cerberus' role in ME2 could mostly be replaced with the Shadow Broker network, maybe almost seamlessly. SB has the same intelligence capabilities as Cerberus, and it wouldn't be too much a stretch to assume the group could gather the schematics and resources for the SR-2.

Martin Sheen/TIM becomes the Shadow Broker. Cerberus' drive to protect humanity is extended to all sapient species. Annoyance at the Alliance becomes annoyance at the Council. Something similar could be done with Jacob's and Miranda's goals for joining.

The best part though is that the Shadow Broker wouldn't have the same baggage as Cerberus. Less is known about the group from ME1 (apart from the name) and Shepard could have even aided the SB a couple times.

It doesn't fix ME2 but it could help a little (not withstanding LotSB).

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 27 novembre 2013 - 07:06 .

[Ryzaki]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

A Sole Survivor (or any Shepard that completed those assignments) just deciding to work for Cerberus is really stupid. Bioware deciding to justify forcing you to work for a terrorist organization by retconning the end of ME1 and having the Council/Alliance/everyone else go completely stupid was terrible writing.

Unless you RP that Shepard was with Cerberus all the way through the timeline of ME1.

You know it wouldn't have been so bad if Shep could've brought it up with TIM. But he/she seemed to have ****ing amnesia.

[Rasofe]

Ryzaki wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

A Sole Survivor (or any Shepard that completed those assignments) just deciding to work for Cerberus is really stupid. Bioware deciding to justify forcing you to work for a terrorist organization by retconning the end of ME1 and having the Council/Alliance/everyone else go completely stupid was terrible writing.

Unless you RP that Shepard was with Cerberus all the way through the timeline of ME1.

You know it wouldn't have been so bad if Shep could've brought it up with TIM. But he/she seemed to have ****ing amnesia.

It's because Bioware had trouble writing Shepard as a neutral character. Bringing up ME1 Cerberus in ME2 would be the neutral thing to do when Paragon was *I'm not even gonna discuss this with you because I know you're evil." and Renegade was "Yo you seem like a cool dude, can I work for you?"
Neutral Shepard is almost completely indestinguishable from Failshep. At least in my playthroughs they're one and the same. The Sole Survivor wasn't too bright to begin with, and dying apparently caused brain damage.

[Rasofe]

BTW beat the Fatal Error quest with just Miranda for backup.
Don't know why she was so ambitious to solo the Banshees toward the end, but it all worked out.
Heavy risk... but the prize...

[Ryzaki]

Nah Neutral Shep is only sane man Shep.

Alas the galaxy requires he either be a psycho or a saint to get **** done for some boggling reason.

[DeinonSlayer]

Ryzaki wrote...

Nah Neutral Shep is only sane man Shep.

Alas the galaxy requires he either be a psycho or a saint to get **** done for some boggling reason.

That's what Gibbed is for. 

NeutralShep inarguably has the best approach to that, ah, situation with Ronald Taylor.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 27 novembre 2013 - 07:58 .

[Ryzaki]

Yeeees.

Poetic justice to the fullest.

I wanted to backhand Shep when I got the "lol sounds like a nice vacation." option. Just...no. Even my renedouche isn't that tasteless.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 novembre 2013 - 08:03 .

[Rasofe]

The best option for anything to do with Jacob, including his romance and LM, is almost always the middle option. They have to reward the neutrals so they put in Taylor to be the neutral buddy.

As for "sane man Shep", that's a Paragade. Without gibbed or glitches I got a 100 % Paragon 60 % Renegade Shepard in my first playthrough, who then became 100% Renegade and 75 % Paragon in ME2, plus chose the middle option on Taylor's mission. Did pick Shock Trooper though because... that's kind of what he is. His reaction to TIM was "Oh man, this is the best employer ever!" Kind of a narcissist.

The important thing is to write natural without a predisposition toward Renegade, Paragon and Neutral and you can get a sane Shepard - given the circumstances - any time.

[Ryzaki]

If his reaction to TIM was best employer ever he clearly isn't a sane man



Is what my Shep would've did to TIM if he could've.

[TheMyron]

Miranda has a good body, no doubt, but Jack still beats her sky-high with facial beauty alone.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

TheMyron wrote...

Miranda has a good body, no doubt, but Jack still beats her sky-high with facial beauty alone.

Nope. Tattoo's, baldness, hawkish pointed face... no I don't see any beauty in Jack's face at all.

But that's alright, it's a subjective opinion.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

A Sole Survivor (or any Shepard that completed those assignments) just deciding to work for Cerberus is really stupid. Bioware deciding to justify forcing you to work for a terrorist organization by retconning the end of ME1 and having the Council/Alliance/everyone else go completely stupid was terrible writing.

Unless you RP that Shepard was with Cerberus all the way through the timeline of ME1.

I'm a practical Shepard. He was targeted for recruitment, and Akuze was where they started to watch him seriously. My Shepard, once he learns about their goal becomes supportive of them and their mission.

He doesn't even hold their methodology as a terrible thing because he believes that the ends do justify the means and that he really can't say he'd be any different, and he's a moral and ethical nihilistic relativist.

There's nothing inherently wrong with any action, even murder. It's just social conditioning to downplay it because it was considered disadvantageous to survival.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Ryzaki wrote...

If his reaction to TIM was best employer ever he clearly isn't a sane man



Is what my Shep would've did to TIM if he could've.

I'd totally do this to the Council and the alliance if I picked Control.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Steelcan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*gets Steelcan started*

Everytime I think about that then play ME3 my heart breaks a little. I had such nice dreams about ME3. A "ah yes 'Reapers'." dialogue choice and telling the alliance to kiss my ass at least once. But noooooooo.

And yes childish but renedouche is the epitome of childishness in some scenes. I just can't do it in ME3

@Massive:  XD

I was fully expecting the option of siding with TIM in the end...

Then came that scene with Anderson....<_<

Indeed. As much as I love TIM's scene where Shepard actually tells him that he has pretty much always believed in Cerberus (ironically the Paragon path), I can't stand the scene with Anderscum.

It's why I just have TIM finish him off so I don't have to deal with talking to Anderscum about **** that my Shepard doesn't feel about him. Plus, I do get TIM's excellent line that proves to once and for all that everything TIM did, for good or ill, was indeed for the betterment of humanity.

[Ieldra]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
It's why I just have TIM finish him off so I don't have to deal with talking to Anderscum about **** that my Shepard doesn't feel about him. Plus, I do get TIM's excellent line that proves to once and for all that everything TIM did, for good or ill, was indeed for the betterment of humanity.

How do you get Anderson's death?

[rekn2]

tim shoots him if you dont respond to the interupts

[Ryzaki]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

If his reaction to TIM was best employer ever he clearly isn't a sane man



Is what my Shep would've did to TIM if he could've.

I'd totally do this to the Council and the alliance if I picked Control.

You and me both. Especially the original council. Their idiocy made it so starbrat's options were the only choice Shep's cycle had.

[CronoDragoon]

Cerberus and the Council are both incompetent fools.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 27 novembre 2013 - 05:12 .

[GHNR]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Cerberus and the Council are both incompetent fools.

Oh god, here we go...

[CronoDragoon]

What? It's true.