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[SavagelyEpic]

corporal doody wrote...

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Do you even read the things I post or do you just attack me based off random words that stick out to you? Yeah, so someone disagreed with you on a public forum. Get over it. I don't care how long ago it was, it wasn't this thread or this week and you're still worked up about it and attacking me in other threads so long as you see me post.

Get. Over. It. I'm through with replying to you because you've clearly demonstrated your marked talent for using anything and everything I say against me despite the original intent. I don't care how pissed off you might be or how much of a personal grudge and vendetta you have (because I had the audacity to disagree with you? Damn, how could I?), go punch a wall or something but honestly? Leave me out of it.

 

first...if you had only disagreed with me...no problem. opinions are opinions. you went that extra step and said i sucked....and we have never played a match together.  that bugs me.


second...what you said...which you say i took out of context...though you have yet to clarify what you mean and how i might have misunderstood...is something that is GOLD! and i aint ever gonna let go of while i cruise the BSN.

No, I have clarified it multiple times, you have just chosen to selectively ignore me. See Rifnefo's post up there? All I was doing was expressing the exact same thing he is. No, I am not leet. I am average. At best. As I have continually made a point of stating for the past ... Oh, I don't know, every single damn post in this thread?

And no, all I did was disagree with you. You chose to interpret that in a 'you suck' way. The fact that you can't let go of someone not sharing your opinion is just juvenile.

...Annnd, wow. Two seconds after I said I wouldn't reply to you, here I am again. I don't know if you just like harassing and derailing threads just for ****s and giggles, but from this point onwards you can just carry on the arguement with yourself.

[corporal doody]

GallowsPole wrote...

After 20 years plus of gaming and joining forums, I gotta tell you, this is great stuff. Ive been playing this game since release and Ive watched ZERO videos from here, took ZERO recommendations, have read ZERO build guides, and have taken ZERO advice.

Its not that the information on here is useless, its trying to navigate the threads of those that think they are gods gift to this game. My manifest was about 3/4 full before I even knew ULM was broken and I got that info from playing with randoms. People who dont even know this board exists.

Ive been working and playing with 4 different accounts just to keep things fresh. Its fun as hell. Playing with randoms is so much better than getting bored by doing the same runs over and over again with buddies. And if they sucked so bad, Id still be waiting to unlock my favorite weapon the Paladin. Or my Fury character.

Are we successful all the time? Hell no. What fun would it be to win every single game. However, the extraction rates ( and believe it or not MOST even want to get extraction, which I personally like), is well over 75% of the time.

Trust me, people dont need this forum to play the game competently and very very well.

NOW THESE ARE WORDS I CAN AGREE WITH IN THIS F***ed up "Im Uber" Thread!

Modifié par corporal doody, 10 septembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[corporal doody]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Do you even read the things I post or do you just attack me based off random words that stick out to you? Yeah, so someone disagreed with you on a public forum. Get over it. I don't care how long ago it was, it wasn't this thread or this week and you're still worked up about it and attacking me in other threads so long as you see me post.

Get. Over. It. I'm through with replying to you because you've clearly demonstrated your marked talent for using anything and everything I say against me despite the original intent. I don't care how pissed off you might be or how much of a personal grudge and vendetta you have (because I had the audacity to disagree with you? Damn, how could I?), go punch a wall or something but honestly? Leave me out of it.

 

first...if you had only disagreed with me...no problem. opinions are opinions. you went that extra step and said i sucked....and we have never played a match together.  that bugs me.


second...what you said...which you say i took out of context...though you have yet to clarify what you mean and how i might have misunderstood...is something that is GOLD! and i aint ever gonna let go of while i cruise the BSN.

No, I have clarified it multiple times, you have just chosen to selectively ignore me. See Rifnefo's post up there? All I was doing was expressing the exact same thing he is. No, I am not leet. I am average. At best. As I have continually made a point of stating for the past ... Oh, I don't know, every single damn post in this thread?

And no, all I did was disagree with you. You chose to interpret that in a 'you suck' way. The fact that you can't let go of someone not sharing your opinion is just juvenile.

...Annnd, wow. Two seconds after I said I wouldn't reply to you, here I am again. I don't know if you just like harassing and derailing threads just for ****s and giggles, but from this point onwards you can just carry on the arguement with yourself.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/13934878

if by clarify...you mean back track? okay.

[Zero132132]

corporal doody wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

@corporal doody
Is it basically your position that most random players are good at this game?

never said that...but they aint NEARLY as bad as they are said to be here on the BSN. i play mostly with randoms...and it is only in 1 of 10 games that things go ****** up.

it happens....but i aint gonna swear and diss everyone in a PUG or random..cuz to others...im the random in a PUG game. And i sure as HELL aint gonna say when we do win..it s cuz of my mad uber skills.

that might be alil narcissitic imho!

That's what your going with? Nothing about an affirmation bias in which we forget adequate experiences easier than we forget infuriating ones? No mention that perhaps the issue is differing strategies? No mention of luck, or the high variability of random players? That many ARE pretty bad? Nothing like that? You go straight to 'narcicistic' without considering alternatives?

I said in the OP that I'm not a platinum level player. I know that camping the tiny room in Glacier is a n00b strategy that requires minimal skill. I also was playing on the highest DPS class in the game using the Piranha, one of the highest DPS weapons in the game, and the Talon, a lightweight sidearm with better range. I'm not claiming to be great, but these other players were, at the least, having a bad game. Part of it is just that I needed to vent, but it does feel like most games with randoms rely on me not sucking, and at least one other player being at least adequate, good as, or better than I am. Maybe you have better luck with randoms than I do. Just seems like so much of the time, I'm the pizza delivery guy, the revive guy, the 1-2-3-4 guy, and often the only one willing to missile the first target on wave 10 of gold, hoping to make it jump to a trooper or some other lower-level enemy. Why WOULDN'T I get the impression that most of the playerbase is just bad?

Modifié par Zero132132, 10 septembre 2012 - 11:11 .

[Constant Motion]

I win about 70% of randoms.

I'm not skilled enough to carry, I'd never claim I "carried" anyone but I'm skilled enough to often hit top of the scoreboard, and usually with the least deaths of the team to boot. Occasionally we get lumbered with a truly poor player, but most people pull their weight. It's very uncommon that any given match is a player's first Gold match. They know what they're doing, and while they may not be the perfect player, I get the impression I'd be as buggered without them as they'd be without me. It does help that I play the Asari Adept, with a huge emphasis on teamwork. If Phantoms are around, I'll circle the team from behind, stasising and nuking each one as I see it - which usually encourages people to stay close.

I always kinda got the impression that most of the time when people hoot about how bad Gold players are, it's not that the players are bad but that you're significantly better. When you're excellent, I can understand being annoyed with the other players for merely being good - how frustrating must it be to watch them making mistakes you can see a mile off - but at the same time, those mistakes are fun when you're being challenged. I love doing something stupid, and then having to do something drop-dead brilliant to try to save the day regardless. I don't overly mind not extracting if we put up a good fight. I like to play a difficulty I'm as likely to lose painfully at as to come out, decorated, passing with flying colours. It's more exciting that way.

I understand that it must be frustrating, but they're not morons, any more than your brother who's just okay at guitar is a slobbering idiot, or me who spills half of anything I cook on the floor is a dumbo. They've just not learned as much as you - but yes, they'd be fine in another team, and yes, they might also have risked failing the mission. They didn't sign up for thirty minutes of a super-talented professional swooping across the battlefield and then grumping across to his internet friends when they can't keep up, nobody likes to be a liability and nobody likes to come bottom. They didn't ask for anyone to carry them, who wants to just press buttons for thirty minutes knowing you might as well have not turned up? They wanted a good, scrappy challenge with players of a similar level to them. Just like you.

Modifié par Constant Motion, 10 septembre 2012 - 11:11 .

[GallowsPole]

I want to become the fem version of Billy Badass. Jilly.

[corporal doody]

Zero132132 wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

@corporal doody
Is it basically your position that most random players are good at this game?

never said that...but they aint NEARLY as bad as they are said to be here on the BSN. i play mostly with randoms...and it is only in 1 of 10 games that things go ****** up.

it happens....but i aint gonna swear and diss everyone in a PUG or random..cuz to others...im the random in a PUG game. And i sure as HELL aint gonna say when we do win..it s cuz of my mad uber skills.

that might be alil narcissitic imho!

That's what your going with? Nothing about an affirmation bias in which we forget adequate experiences easier than we forget infuriating ones? No mention that perhaps the issue is differing strategies? 
No mention of luck, or the high variability of random players? Thaat many ARE pretty bad? Nothing like that? You go straight to 'narcicistic' without considering alternatives?

I said in the OP that I'm not a platinum level player. I know that camping the tiny room in Glacier is a n00b strategy that requires minimal skill. I also was playing on the highest DPS class in the game using the Piranha, one of the highest DPS weapons in the game, and the Talon, a lightweight sidearm with better range. I'm not claiming to be great, but these other players were, at the least, having a bad game. Part of it is just that I needed to vent, but it does feel like most games with randoms rely on me not sucking, and at least one other player being at least adequate, good as, or better than I am. Maybe you have better luck with randoms than I do. Just seems like so much of the time, I'm the pizza delivery guy, the revive guy, the 1-2-3-4 guy, and often the only one willing to missile the first target on wave 10 of gold, hoping to make it jump to a trooper or some other lower-level enemy. Why WOULDN'T I get the impression that most of the playerbase is just bad?

look dude...so long as you know what you are doing...and are alil confident that others know what they are doing..then you SHOULD be winning. you go out there in a PUg and think "oh shiet..i gotta do everything myself" people gonna pick up on that and go.."why should i even try...dude has it". or worse..."SCREW TRYING DUDE IS A BSN BADASS, why should i even try?!!!"

and if you are doing what you are doing..THAT IS Awesome..that is teamwork...but dont be mad if you are doing the job that others CANNOT.

the story of a person's skill level is told early (i'd say first 2 waves). To say they all or most suck....a diservice to the community.

cuz you do well...doesnt automatically mean others are bad.

Modifié par corporal doody, 10 septembre 2012 - 11:16 .

[plain numbers]

1. You are prepared to spend some time in lobbies searching. 
2. You find good randoms.
3. ???
4. Profit.

Alternatively.

1. You enter the first random lobby.
2. You are sure you can carry anyone to wave 10 no matter what.
3. ???
4. Profit.

Even though I know the frustration, and others certainly do as well when I am the one who ***** up, worrying and complaining or even trying to explain it doesn't really help, does it? Especially when said randoms are probably not here to read what's going on. Relax OP, stay calm and quit the lobby. Enjoy the ride first and foremost.

Modifié par plain numbers, 10 septembre 2012 - 11:16 .

[Zero132132]

corporal doody wrote...

look dude...so long as you know what you are doing...and are alil confident that others know what they are doing..then you SHOULD be winning. you go out there in a PUg and think "oh shiet..i gotta do everything myself" people gonna pick up on that and go.."why should i even try...dude has it". or worse..."SCREW TRYING DUDE IS A BSN BADASS, why should i even try?!!!"

and if you are doing what you are doing..THAT IS Awesome..that is teamwork...but dont be mad if you are doing the job that others CANNOT.

the story of a person's skill level is told early (i'd say first 2 waves). To say they all or most suck....a diservice to the community.

cuz you do well...doesnt automatically mean others are bad.

I actually mentioned this in the OP. Part of the question. Because I actually AM curious.

Relevant quote:

If there were a constant string of failures, there wouldn't be a huge benefit to bumping up the difficulty, so they can't just lose constantly, right? Is it just a matter of players here killing things faster, and they would have actually been fine, just taken longer? I know when I've played with Ashen Earth, he outscores me (and everyone else) by a huge margin, so maybe it is just something similar. 

Not my fault that you missed that, and you shouldn't accuse people of having certain personality traits just because they think they're better than most players. Quit accusing people of being elitist pricks, a genuine personal insult, just for thinking that many people are bad at a game, something which isn't really a bad thing. It's annoying, and rude.

Wheaton's law'd.

Modifié par Zero132132, 10 septembre 2012 - 11:24 .

[corporal doody]

Zero132132 wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

look dude...so long as you know what you are doing...and are alil confident that others know what they are doing..then you SHOULD be winning. you go out there in a PUg and think "oh shiet..i gotta do everything myself" people gonna pick up on that and go.."why should i even try...dude has it". or worse..."SCREW TRYING DUDE IS A BSN BADASS, why should i even try?!!!"

and if you are doing what you are doing..THAT IS Awesome..that is teamwork...but dont be mad if you are doing the job that others CANNOT.

the story of a person's skill level is told early (i'd say first 2 waves). To say they all or most suck....a diservice to the community.

cuz you do well...doesnt automatically mean others are bad.

I actually mentioned this in the OP. Part of the question. Because I actually AM curious.

Relevant quote:

If there were a constant string of failures, there wouldn't be a huge benefit to bumping up the difficulty, so they can't just lose constantly, right? Is it just a matter of players here killing things faster, and they would have actually been fine, just taken longer? I know when I've played with Ashen Earth, he outscores me (and everyone else) by a huge margin, so maybe it is just something similar. 

Not my fault that you missed that, and you shouldn't accuse people of having certain personality traits just because they think they're better than most players. Quit accusing people of being elitist pricks, a genuine personal insult, just for thinking that many people are bad at a game, something which isn't really a bad thing. It's annoying, and rude.

Wheaton's law'd.

then i must not have been reading other people's post in this thread and every other "RANDOMS SUCK" THREAD ever created.

oops

Clearly, randoms go to Gold/Platinum lobbies for a reason, but it seems
like 90% of the time that I'm not playing with people from this forum or
other friends, I end up doing most of the work with kills, objectives,
and revives.

I truly don't understand; how do these people
succeed when competent players seem to be so damned rare? I can't see
how matches go if I'm not in them, so I have no idea how the process
works when all four are randoms.

Modifié par corporal doody, 10 septembre 2012 - 11:30 .

[Aetika]

Who are those "randoms"? Like people outside of BSN? Or people outside of your friendlist? I am sorry, but I am sort of allergic to bashing of people from pugs. I play pugs 90% of time and it´s almost always ok. Yes, matches can be tough if you play with weaker players or inexperienced players, sometimes we wipe out, so what? I was also weak and inexperienced once and I am only decent now, so if we fail I see it as failure of whole team, not only the others(aka I was not good enough to carry us through). They try and they fight and they learn. That´s all I need. The only real problem I have is when people don´t use consumables even when it´s pretty clear we need them.

[Uh Cold]

Doesn't it help the community when you carry a bad lobby anyways?
I mean I wouldn't want to carry every game but helping new players is different than helping lazy players.
If I see that one player trying hard for the objective and using meds or whatever I would gladly waste all my consumables to contribute to the team.

[Zero132132]

Aetika wrote...

Who are those "randoms"? Like people outside of BSN? Or people outside of your friendlist? I am sorry, but I am sort of allergic to bashing of people from pugs. I play pugs 90% of time and it´s almost always ok. Yes, matches can be tough if you play with weaker players or inexperienced players, sometimes we wipe out, so what? I was also weak and inexperienced once and I am only decent now, so if we fail I see it as failure of whole team, not only the others(aka I was not good enough to carry us through). They try and they fight and they learn. That´s all I need. The only real problem I have is when people don´t use consumables even when it´s pretty clear we need them.

I mean people I've never played with before, and people that I didn't choose to play with because of interwebs. I do have a question here, because it may illuminate the issue a bit.

Someone said above that many rely on camping methods, and I know that when I hit W/G/G lobbies too many times in a row, I give up on finding another game type, throw on a Krogan Vanguard and a Shield Modulator V, and mostly ignore the room, or kite enemies to it if others can help take them down faster (basically act like a decoy, but more kill-happy). I notice that players often start playing a bit more aggressively some time around wave 5, which I like, but I can tell that they're not used to playing aggressively, so they often get downed a lot (especially with Geth stunlocking). I'm wondering if people that have better luck in PUGs are more content with holding the line than the complainers.

What strategy do you tend to follow with PUGs? Is it a hold-the-line approach, or are people often more mobile and aggressive? If they hold the line, do you tend to hold it with them, or do you get bored too easily and wander off, like me?

[Chealec]

The one thing I don't understand is how some people can be so bad at the game; I generally PuG Gold and rarely Platinum, primarily because I prefer Gold... and I'm often left bewildered.

I recently had a game vs Reapers where a random Krentinel only managed to clock up 25k at the end. A Krentinel... vs Reapers!? That's one of my favourite anti-Reaper classes.. you can run around as an almost invincible murder-god (synch-kills notwithstanding) and just destroy everything.

In another game, on the final scoreboard I had more points than the entire rest of the team combined... really, that should NOT be possible, I'm not that good.

I often see people using classes which I know, on the given map/enemy, should be raking in the kills - Kroguard vs Geth for example... and they just aren't. Or people completely ignoring the missions, having really ineffective load-outs or a general lack of situational awareness ("Ummm, if you're losing health mate, turn around, you're being melee'd by a Banshsee") or a seemingly suicidal streak, Biotic Charging into an unwounded Banshee or a crowded spawn point (though that can work if you're a NovaGuard or Drellguard with Cluster Grenades). What? You died and you didn't see that coming? Really?

Thankfully - I often run into decent Gold-standard players on PuGs as well... and as long as there are 2 people who have some idea of what they're doing, it's more than likely that you'll complete gold.

[Rifneno]

KalilKareem wrote...

On gold? Seriously. I am totally bad at this game. I never top score boards. I still have close to 100% win rate in gold games these days. It probably takes about 5-10 minutes longer without some self-proclaimed badass nuking all the spawn points to claim his fame and glory, but thats all there is to it. You are a greedy kill hogger and your pug is perfectly fine without you.

Sounds like you get carried more than an infant.

[Zero132132]

Rifneno wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...
On gold? Seriously. I am totally bad at this game. I never top score boards. I still have close to 100% win rate in gold games these days. It probably takes about 5-10 minutes longer without some self-proclaimed badass nuking all the spawn points to claim his fame and glory, but thats all there is to it. You are a greedy kill hogger and your pug is perfectly fine without you.

Sounds like you get carried more than an infant.

There are a lot of ways players can contribute to the game that doesn't end up on the scoreboard. Some debuffs do very little damage, but increase the damage an enemy will take. In the case of Cryo Blast, the damage done is actually zero, but a 25% increase to damage and a weakening of armor can make a world of difference on big enemies. Decoy makes it easier for the team not to get shot, allowing others to be more aggressive. Good support builds CAN score decent damage, but there are many ways to make the match easier that don't involve getting the kill yourself. Scoring low doesn't mean that the match didn't go a lot smoother because you were in it.

Of course, calling anyone a "greedy kill hogger" is kind of a dick thing to say (what's greedy about killing things in a co-op game?), but whatever.

Modifié par Zero132132, 10 septembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[Aetika]

Zero132132 wrote...

Aetika wrote...

Who are those "randoms"? Like people outside of BSN? Or people outside of your friendlist? I am sorry, but I am sort of allergic to bashing of people from pugs. I play pugs 90% of time and it´s almost always ok. Yes, matches can be tough if you play with weaker players or inexperienced players, sometimes we wipe out, so what? I was also weak and inexperienced once and I am only decent now, so if we fail I see it as failure of whole team, not only the others(aka I was not good enough to carry us through). They try and they fight and they learn. That´s all I need. The only real problem I have is when people don´t use consumables even when it´s pretty clear we need them.

I mean people I've never played with before, and people that I didn't choose to play with because of interwebs. I do have a question here, because it may illuminate the issue a bit.

Someone said above that many rely on camping methods, and I know that when I hit W/G/G lobbies too many times in a row, I give up on finding another game type, throw on a Krogan Vanguard and a Shield Modulator V, and mostly ignore the room, or kite enemies to it if others can help take them down faster (basically act like a decoy, but more kill-happy). I notice that players often start playing a bit more aggressively some time around wave 5, which I like, but I can tell that they're not used to playing aggressively, so they often get downed a lot (especially with Geth stunlocking). I'm wondering if people that have better luck in PUGs are more content with holding the line than the complainers.

What strategy do you tend to follow with PUGs? Is it a hold-the-line approach, or are people often more mobile and aggressive? If they hold the line, do you tend to hold it with them, or do you get bored too easily and wander off, like me?

Haha, no I don´t get bored and wander off Maybe it´s because I am not that strong player, so I have usually so much enemies to deal with, I can´t even get bored on higher difficulties.  But it depends on situation. If the team is weaker and struggles I tend to stick with them very closely, in case someone goes down or to prevent from being swarmed. If I see others are strong, I work in pairs. Two of us there, other two somewhere else. I don´t like getting to far away from team, it usually leads to troubles. I myself am also quite defensive player, I tend to die if I go aggressive. So for me definitely hold-the-line approach.

[Tallgeese_VII]

Leechers don't care. It's more profitable than playing silver even failed.

[Rifneno]

Zero132132 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...
On gold? Seriously. I am totally bad at this game. I never top score boards. I still have close to 100% win rate in gold games these days. It probably takes about 5-10 minutes longer without some self-proclaimed badass nuking all the spawn points to claim his fame and glory, but thats all there is to it. You are a greedy kill hogger and your pug is perfectly fine without you.

Sounds like you get carried more than an infant.

There are a lot of ways players can contribute to the game that doesn't end up on the scoreboard. Some debuffs do very little damage, but increase the damage an enemy will take. In the case of Cryo Blast, the damage done is actually zero, but a 25% increase to damage and a weakening of armor can make a world of difference on big enemies. Decoy makes it easier for the team not to get shot, allowing others to be more aggressive. Good support builds CAN score decent damage, but there are many ways to make the match easier that don't involve getting the kill yourself. Scoring low doesn't mean that the match didn't go a lot smoother because you were in it.

Of course, calling anyone a "greedy kill hogger" is kind of a dick thing to say (what's greedy about killing things in a co-op game?), but whatever.

I agree, there's plenty of ways to contribute without scoring.  It's pretty clear that the poster in question isn't just taking support roles, they merely suck.  "I am totally bad at this game" "I never top score" "some self-proclaimed badass nuking all the spawn points to claim his fame and glory"?  That's not the talk of a good support player, that's the talk of a mooch spewing jealous hate at the very people its leeching creds off of.

[Zero132132]

@Aetika
Good to know. Even when playing aggressively, I prefer to be somewhat close to someone else, but if all 3 are camping one area, I admit, I rambo a little bit. Anyone else that claims better luck with PUGs have a similar hold-the-line approach? If so, it might imply that playing aggressively can be somewhat maladaptive unless you're playing with people you know.

EDIT: Of course, this doesn't apply to Platinum runs like those I mentioned in the OP, since we were camping. I do think that one was just bad luck. Had a good White/Cerb/Platinum run a bit earlier in the night, and I've had better luck on Glacier/Cerb before (although it's usually with a friend or two that I know is competent)..

Modifié par Zero132132, 10 septembre 2012 - 12:08 .

[Induhvidual]

I love how everyone here is pretty sure they are in fact Billy BadassME3MP Player when we all know there can be only one.

[hostaman]

How long have we got?

It's possible for any player (random or not) to win on any map at any level if the entire team has the right attitude, experience, and plays a co-op game in that spirit.

It is also right and fair for any player at any level to play on any map and difficulty they choose. The game is set up that way. If you're a player who likes to **** about others choices in Platinum games then maybe it's time for you to move on, as you're probably not cut out for this kind of collaborative game.

I know my own level and it's Silver. I joined a Silver game last night where I immediately thought the other players were better than me. So I decided to get to all the objectives first, and act as medic. I managed to do all that, didn't die, didn't use a consumable and finished in third, ahead of a far higher ranked player. I had a blast.

To me that's why the game is so much fun. Every experience is different. If you get to the point where you start moaning about other players and "you can't be a soldier, you can't be a vanguard, all your gear must be level 3......" etc. then I think you've lost the plot.

I'm happy to play at any level, with any player (newbies included) anytime if they can play with the right spirit i.e. Co-op.

[dumael]

Depends how good they are. Some seem to load up UUG and hope for the best or to get carried. Others are more than capable of handing asses back to their owners.

I've found randomers to be a mixed bag to be honest.

Modifié par dumael, 10 septembre 2012 - 12:16 .

[GallowsPole]

Zero132132 wrote...

@Aetika
Good to know. Even when playing aggressively, I prefer to be somewhat close to someone else, but if all 3 are camping one area, I admit, I rambo a little bit. Anyone else that claims better luck with PUGs have a similar hold-the-line approach? If so, it might imply that playing aggressively can be somewhat maladaptive unless you're playing with people you know.

EDIT: Of course, this doesn't apply to Platinum runs like those I mentioned in the OP, since we were camping. I do think that one was just bad luck. Had a good White/Cerb/Platinum run a bit earlier in the night, and I've had better luck on Glacier/Cerb before (although it's usually with a friend or two that I know is competent)..

Now you're learning. I play very similar to you it sounds like. Im always the go do the objectives to get it done guy. ONLY because, Im pugging. I dont trust the other 3 people to do it, so I feel I have to. Usually, it turns out to NOT be the case, and team play is team play, which is great. I only play aggressive with buddies, which I rarely play with. Im disabled and play all day usually under various accounts and people arent always around.

I try very hard NOT to Rambo, but occasionally I find myself alone, but for the most part I always try hard to stay with the team. Im a strafer and a hide behind cover player. I hate taking a knee and popping up and down to shoot, so instead I hide behind obstacles. Its relatively easy to angle yourself in a way to not only avoid getting hit, but even deal out damage. I prefer my AJ or Fury, but I am quite capable of playing every class successfully. I felt it important to my gameplay to learn that to have a better idea to gel with a team. So I have played every class, with every possible combination, so I know how those classes work with others.

[Quething]

Zero132132 wrote...

@Aetika
Good to know. Even when playing aggressively, I prefer to be somewhat close to someone else, but if all 3 are camping one area, I admit, I rambo a little bit. Anyone else that claims better luck with PUGs have a similar hold-the-line approach? If so, it might imply that playing aggressively can be somewhat maladaptive unless you're playing with people you know.

Well, playing to your team is generally a major factor in success in any group, random or friends. I always adjust playstyle to the team I'm with. If they're running around, I'm running around. If they're camping, I'm watching their flank. If they're doing a rolling reatreat loop around Condor, I'm not going to sit on the sniper perch and wait to get mobbed by husks.

(Which can be an interesting challenge when you end up playing a demolisher in a group that won't sit still for ten seconds or a vanguard in a group that won't move.)

But yeah, I'd certainly say that any team that starts out staying mostly in one place and camps through the first two or three rounds has basically stuck a flag on their foreheads saying "we're not confident yet and will struggle to win this match." Which generally means that you're going to want to stay nearby and play a little conservatively. It keeps them on their toes and prevents overconfidence, and saves your resources for when you'll need them.