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Beerfish wrote...

friedricethem0n wrote...

Most randoms are dumb. I went into a Gold PUG and saw a N7 112 with a level 12 Vanguard (not the host) waiting to be carried with a Katana III and no gears or consumables. I promptly left.

The next lobby I went into was filled to the brim with N7 20 - N7 76 idiots doing U/U/P with a bunch of common/low level weapons. There was a N7 Demolisher (level 8) with a Predator VII, N7 Paladin (level 1) with a Widow I and a Asari Adept (level 12) with a Claymore I. I face palmed when they all hit ready and left in a hurry. Oh, and may I add, they have no gears nor consumables equipped...

So, nowadays, I play Gold and Platinum exclusively with friends only. Solves the problem of random idiots trying to ride on your tailcoats.


The bolded part is total nonsense.  I play almost exclusively randoms and there are a lot of good players that know what they are doing.  Sure there are bad games and suspect players but you can usually spot them in the lobby before hand and if you play with them you get the type of game you deserve.  Perhaps people remember the bad experiences more or somthing but randoms are no where near as bad as people make them out to be.


Dude have you seriously played randoms before? Either your trolling the guy or you were a very lucky person. I don't know which is harder to fight the Reaper/Geth/Cerberus goons trying to kill me with proverbial sword and fire or holding back the infinitely large essense of Human stupidity that PUGs expose me to. I'll admit theres a few diamonds in the rough but they are not the norm.

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Drummernate wrote...

They don't win them unless I am alive.

Period.

As soon as I go down they all start dying within 25 seconds guaranteed.

So 90% of the time I have to medigel anyways.

This.

No one bothers to use a medigel or missle in a time of need. I end up using all my gel to revive them and if I go down, its over.

I don't know what it is about randoms not using their consumables.

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Zero132132 wrote...

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Who are those "randoms"? Like people outside of BSN? Or people outside of your friendlist? I am sorry, but I am sort of allergic to bashing of people from pugs. I play pugs 90% of time and it´s almost always ok. Yes, matches can be tough if you play with weaker players or inexperienced players, sometimes we wipe out, so what? I was also weak and inexperienced once and I am only decent now, so if we fail I see it as failure of whole team, not only the others(aka I was not good enough to carry us through). They try and they fight and they learn. That´s all I need. The only real problem I have is when people don´t use consumables even when it´s pretty clear we need them.

I mean people I've never played with before, and people that I didn't choose to play with because of interwebs. I do have a question here, because it may illuminate the issue a bit.

Someone said above that many rely on camping methods, and I know that when I hit W/G/G lobbies too many times in a row, I give up on finding another game type, throw on a Krogan Vanguard and a Shield Modulator V, and mostly ignore the room, or kite enemies to it if others can help take them down faster (basically act like a decoy, but more kill-happy). I notice that players often start playing a bit more aggressively some time around wave 5, which I like, but I can tell that they're not used to playing aggressively, so they often get downed a lot (especially with Geth stunlocking). I'm wondering if people that have better luck in PUGs are more content with holding the line than the complainers.

What strategy do you tend to follow with PUGs? Is it a hold-the-line approach, or are people often more mobile and aggressive? If they hold the line, do you tend to hold it with them, or do you get bored too easily and wander off, like me?


Actually I think that you have a good point there.
I'd say it depended on the map and the people with you. Generally I start off aggressively and then adjust to the comfort zone of the team. I think many people want others using the same play style, campers feel happier with other defensive players, and some of us prefer murder trains. I also must add that I originally started as a camper and each new level scared the hell out of me...so new players may be feeling the same way.

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I feel like in gold if at least one of the PUGS is as competent as me we can get it done.
But I always hate to see the score at the end with 2 people over 100K and the other 2 ~20-30K, its just sad :(

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You all seem to have terrible luck. I PUG exclusively, yet rarely lose a game, or find one person has to take care of an entire wave by themselves. I rarely see people ignoring objectives (it does happen, of course, but not often), or trying to rez folk right under the nose of a turret.

I don't run into that many great players; but the average, in my experience, is still pretty decent. Plenty of Gold level players out there.

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I don't know about the feasability of platinum with randoms but when I'm hosting my success rate is somewhere between 90 and 100% on U/U/G.

When I don't host it goes down to maybe around 60% as my play is almost always worse when not hosting (I'm spoiled to lagless games). I would say the 30% difference is when I found myself on a bad team and should have carried the match but wasn't able to due to worse performance than usual on non-host games.

Going by these numbers, on PC at least it's not rare at all to find good players considering I almost only lose when not hosting and being the only decent player on the game.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 10 septembre 2012 - 03:11 .


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Luck of the draw.

It is certainly possible to do.

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Luck.

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CapnManx wrote...

You all seem to have terrible luck. I PUG exclusively, yet rarely lose a game, or find one person has to take care of an entire wave by themselves. I rarely see people ignoring objectives (it does happen, of course, but not often), or trying to rez folk right under the nose of a turret.

I don't run into that many great players; but the average, in my experience, is still pretty decent. Plenty of Gold level players out there.


PC, Xbox, or PS3?

I also PuG almost exclusivly on PC and can generally find the majority of good Gold matches. I'm even starting to find good Platinum ones.

Even with the batch of new people picking lower cost copies most games still go very well. Although I have to agree that there are games when I go down it feels like the team just turns into a bunch of druppy cross eye left footed mudkips. What that really tells me is that my general roll of mook killing is actually having a major impact, even if I'm not holding a dominant lead in the score board.

Sersiuoslly you want to win wit randoms on Gold or lower?
KILL ALL THE TROOPERS!!!

If you watch the kill feed you'll see that most folks get downed by Marauder, Centurion, Cerb Trooper, Cannibal. Not Brutes and Banshess or Atlases and Primes. You "average level" non-BSN goers will tend to focus the biggies over anything else and get into major trouble. Again I say...

KILL ALL THE TROOPERS!!! And you will start winning more often with PuGs. :D

Modifié par Dorje Sylas, 10 septembre 2012 - 03:24 .


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I think of myself a competent player capable of carrying a gold match, but I once got to play with ashen earth and guy made me look like I sat around the whole game; the dude is good! :D

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I've been in many games that wipe on wave 10 even in silver lately. I don't know what is going on.

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Maybe part of it is just these N7 weekends. Players that rarely play might hop on wanting to get an N7 weapon. I guess most anything that people spend weekends on is a bit better on a Tuesday.

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Eh, gold isn't that hard. I do random with gold and win like 90% of the time. I usually don't have the top score so it's not like my awesomeness is the sole reason. Plat I only play with friends though. This is on PC btw, maybe it's worse on other platforms?

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BDelacroix wrote...

I've been in many games that wipe on wave 10 even in silver lately. I don't know what is going on.


The Human gene pool has been getting shallower in recent decades it is a ongoing problem and now it has spilled over into ME3. Tsk tsk.

@X M3TH0D1C4L X: The reason people guard their consumerables is because they treat them like investments in order to minimize time spent recovering from a lost game. "This game is on wave V if I burn W medi gel on this wave that means this team sucks. There's a X% probability that we will lose this match resulting in a mission failed with credits reduced by 50-75%. Which means I will have wasted Y minutes and Z seconds therefore this mission is a wash and is not worth the consumables as it will probably take 1 game to recover my investment of consumables and 2 games before I can start farming or playing for credits again. Again this is unacceptable. We will not use consumables we will find another way. Releasing control and finding a new game."

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I only ever play in public games because none of my friends play this game. They are nowhere near as bad as people on here make out, I win 9/10 U/U/G without any real problems. I've only played 3 Platinum games in total, mainly just to test it and won one of them, which was also a public lobby.

I think most BSNers play 1 public game and judge everything off that, but if they were as good as they claim, they'd know not to start the game.

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I've had terrible groups. I an average player and play mostly silver. I've played rarely on gold and only 1 time in platinum.

I rarely get outscored in silver, but the main reason I don't play much on gold in random groups is because ppl are just stupid. That gets me frustrated. And ultimately is no fun.

I don't have rares maxed, but have decent gear enough to play well. I just have 1 friend who plays with me when he can and he is Rank 12x so I play the game for fun in silver. I know ppl in this forum are more than just average and they laugh at platinum, but for me the challenge is ok at silver. That the main idea of a game is it not?

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Well this weekend was definitely a bad one for me when it came to gold PUGs. With my beloved AA I couldn't carry a wet paper bag, much less a gold round, but usually I'm contributing, not dying every few seconds, and if I finish last in points at least I'm not that far from third.

This weekend, no. I think of all the games I played, only two made it through extraction and most wiped before completing the objective on wave 10. I was always dead last in points and dreadfully low even then.

Definitely not the best of weekends for me in PUGoldville.

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First of all, I hereby apologize for not having read the entire thread's six pages, instead only the OP, so if I make any redundant points that have been discussed to death already, my bad, sorry.

Secondly, long post ahead. Tl;dr at the end of the post.


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I see you obviously play on a console, so my own experience is hardly compatible as I play on PC, but I would nontheless like to give a rundown on how I percieve random match-ups and what my personal history with them have been.


Generally spoken, I am flat out amazed how good the quality of Gold random matches are on my platform, considering how very outspoken most forumites in here are about the apparent inabilities of their randoms. And for one, even though it would be quite comfortable falling for the fallacy to assume those that have negative experiences simply play more or less exclusively on consoles, I've had my share of lobbies and games where'd I came to doubt my teammates ability for reasoning, or for straight thinking at its most basic form, that ridiculous setups and horrid (abso-freakin'-lutely terribad) consecutive matches that followed or took place even though the team's loadout looked well enough or outright seemingly optimized for synergy when I checked in the lobby.
Therefore, I very much KNOW that the kind of unfathomable nonsense gaming actually does exist crossplatform, so any PC vs console platitudes some people might have been spouted around in this topic (as I've said in the disclaimer, I haven't read it, so on the (sadly unlikely) chance no one did any such thing, I apologize for this assumption) are simply wrong, color-glassed perspectives of some people's warped perceptions.


That said, as I've already written, the overall decency of public games is more than sufficing to achieve regular, if not constant victorious matches, with most of them concluding in full extractions (or at least trying for it plus the occasional bad luck with sync- or last second kills) as opposed to the infamous "we gotz teh moneyz, let's just die naow" attitude some people have reflected in the history of discussing PUGs.

The most relevant aspect to that history however is that I almost exclusively play U/U lobbies, be that in Silver for levelling my classes for a decent PUG level (usually around level ten to twelve before I get to public Gold lobbies, so usually two Silver matches after a promotion) and corolarry almost never the typical farming setups like FBW/G or FB:Gl/whatever faction. My assumption therefore is that most "bad" (everything in here is relatively, I've been a horrid MP player at the start of the demo and was only average at best at the start of the fullgame MP since this was effectively my very first shooter online experience) players are located around those settings, because they are either easier to complete or because those are simply the fastest/least troublesome ways of quickly getting your credits if that's all one cares for.
That means that the utmost amount of people that play U/U settings are the ones that genuinely want to play the game for itself, for the fun, maybe the challenge, just as a game is meant to be played "properly" (if I may give such a biased opinion here).


And why does that make the games better/more fun?
Because people that genuinely just want to play the game have a completely different attitude towards, duh, playing the game! They don't really care for the credits (I mean, of course they do, hell, I do!), but more the sake of simply doing it. Or at the other hand, they genuinely want to learn how to play higher difficulties when they first venture into Silver or Gold games respectively. Those are the kind of players that take advices for they are, helpful tips and do not look upon them as some kind of veiled bragging as I've found to be the reason for some downright insulting reactions I've got when trying to tell people that for example the SMG ULMs are still bugged when I entered a farming lobby because I wasn't getting a lobby together and just wanted to play something. Those people, provided they have access to microphones and/or feel like using them usually are in a very jovially mood, eager to talk about the game, or other topics in simple, little chats, joking here and there or exchanging something that can sometimes amount to months worth of player experience to someone that appears to be a new player (for the respective difficulty) and for the most part, it is well, if not outspokenly thankfully received.


And of course, then there are the genuinely "bad" players (those without the necessary skill AND the lack of proper attitude to taking advice, learning how to play better, etc.). And occasionally I get a full lobby of them.
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But like the soft-masochist I am, I mostly go "the hell with it, let's see how good I can do with them". Mostly of course it ends with the whole team thrashed and me expending all my consumables to prolong our suffering (sometimes NOT to the amusements of my teammates that would simply want to play another round, most presumably with another team too). And even those games can be fun, in a very impish, utterly humiliating wa of course. But hey, fun is fun.


And then, there's the seemingly bad players. People that run a Drell Vanguard with a Javelin II and a Claymore V, no or little equipment to speak of and sometimes untterly nonsensical gear (like an Operative Gear on said Drellguard). But those do definately NOT always belong to the above category of simply "bad" players. Some of those are the kind of people like a Ziegrif (Posted Image - Posted Image), that just play a specific setup for the hell of it, maybe even to specifically gauge on with what they can come across without getting kicked headfirst from a lobby. And even though such bad setups usually perform just like that, as in ... bad, the players themselves are still a great deal skilled and on some rare instances, some of the presumably suboptimal if not outright terrible seeming builds can actually be very, VERY effective if played in a specific way and you most probably wouldn't have found that out, ever, because even if someone might mention it in this very forum, the idea would possibly sound so ridiculous no one would take it seriously.

So, what it all comes down to, as you might have guessed as my long exposition in here isn't really that coherent an argument to make any specific point clear, in my opinion it's not the other players that make the fun in PUGs. It's only you and you're ability, or intention to actually have fun with whatever comes to be. I know it's not easy to laugh your ass off whilst miserably failing a match with team of raging people shouting abusive language in their microphone blaming you and basically everyone but them for the disaster after they that ran around like lunatic, beheaded mooses and then actually try to get a rematch with the same team only for the self-imposed challenge of making it past wave six this time (extreme example, I know, but I had those too). There you have it.



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Tl;dr - Hah, just kidding, there is no real tl;dr for you people (well, technically there is, but I won't tell you and if you can't find it yourself ... -> Nelson.gif). Frankly, if you wouldn't be the kind of person to read a post like that, you are most probably not the kind of person for whom my opinion would by anything useful either (no offense meant, that's simply the truth as I came to experience).

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i've had nothing but good groups, and i dont care if i get out scored but i try to be second or third in scoring when i did a plat game, i heard one person scream into his mic WTF geth and reapers in a cerb game!!

i lauged to my self and texted the guy saying that they throw everything at us on plat, i havent found the kitchen sink mook yet but i know he coming sooner or later

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 10 septembre 2012 - 03:59 .


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Entered a Gold random game with 2 other people who spoke a foreign language to me. They were prepared but nothing like GI with full farming gear, so it looked like they weren't interested in farming but actually having a good time with a challenge. So I decided to go with a Salarian Engineer, buffed up mods, with Scorpion. So we started. We got Firebase Goddess which isn't exactly easy and I've never seen it farmed (too much crossfire). We had some deaths but nothing we couldn't handle. With the setup I had, I did get 3rd place but I still got over 70k. It was Reapers which is a pain on this map but I only had issues with Banshees and for some reason they loved chasing me around. We used our consumables, if you dropped, you just used a medigel, you didn't wait to be revived. Missiles were used for objectives but then we weren't anal like some elites who say never use them outside of objectives. If you have 2 banshees and 2 brutes on top of each, why not use a missile? If there was cussing it was in a language I didn't understand, and we finished Wave 11 and all extracted, unlike the farmers and the "WGAF people". My favorite part of the match was using decoy (which wasn't as effective because we had to move around a lot on the map) and hunting down the Ravagers which caused a lot of grief. Scorpions rock against those things. But if I had to do it again, I wouldn't choose that gun. It is fine for fun and kills fast but just not fast enough to keep up with other players. DPS is what matters.

My point? Not all randoms are bad. Some are actually pretty darn fun. If I see a game with FBWGG, I skip. I have nothing against farmers, I just prefer to play for fun. Peeps take this game too seriously. When the game is over, exactly what great value have you added to your life or someone else's? Keep the blood pressure down, I say.

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Outlawstar15a2 wrote...

BDelacroix wrote...

I've been in many games that wipe on wave 10 even in silver lately. I don't know what is going on.


The Human gene pool has been getting shallower in recent decades it is a ongoing problem and now it has spilled over into ME3. Tsk tsk.

@X M3TH0D1C4L X: The reason people guard their consumerables is because they treat them like investments in order to minimize time spent recovering from a lost game. "This game is on wave V if I burn W medi gel on this wave that means this team sucks. There's a X% probability that we will lose this match resulting in a mission failed with credits reduced by 50-75%. Which means I will have wasted Y minutes and Z seconds therefore this mission is a wash and is not worth the consumables as it will probably take 1 game to recover my investment of consumables and 2 games before I can start farming or playing for credits again. Again this is unacceptable. We will not use consumables we will find another way. Releasing control and finding a new game."


I thought games were for fun.  How can someone say they had fun if they got mad?  At least in the MLB, the players get paid big bucks so anger is expected if someone misses a toss.  Peeps in ME3 multi act like they are paid milllions to show up to the game and missed their bonus when they lost the game due to someone's error.

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ryoldschool wrote...

fallen_acolyte wrote...

I have to say I think many of you are full of sh-- . I really don't see how you guys claim plat is so cake walk, but in game listening to people who aren't BSing online explain and talk about its difficulty and the demand of proper team coordination. When we do gold matches, we have to put in a lot of effort in them or we lose. Simple as that, but listening to most of you on the forums, gold / plat so so easy that you all solo it on a daily basis. One thing I learned about onlines games with forums... people BS too much. Yes gold is doable, no its not cake. I did plat and I found it overwhelming, but i guess im too honest. PPL with N3000+ find plat hard, but people on the forums dont... go figure.


I understand what your saying. I think the truth is alot of people on the forums play with each other and when you have 4 fully capable players it is kinda a cake walk. I don't do platinum PUGs personally becuase anytime i play a PUG with 3 randoms I fully expect to have to do all the work. and since i can't solo platinum (i never tried, just assuming lol). I guess my point is gold with 3 more players who are even decent is a cakewalk, platinum with 3 people from arelex is a cakewalk, doing PUGs is not. I think alot of people here exaggerate sometimes, but its all relative.

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Ravenmyste wrote...

i've had nothing but good groups, and i dont care if i get out scored but i try to be second or third in scoring when i did a plat game, i heard one person scream into his mic WTF geth and reapers in a cerb game!!

i lauged to my self and texted the guy saying that they throw everything at us on plat, i havent found the kitchen sink mook yet but i know he coming sooner or later

Yeah, when Platinum first came, I went to a White/Geth/Plat lobby. I told the people with mics not to run when the Banshee showed up, because she'll usually get stuck on the counter and can be killed relatively easily. The host said "We're playing Geth. There won't be any Banshees. Don't worry."
 
I tried to explain that past wave 3, non-geth enemies would start to appear, but I don't think he believed me until it happened.

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Mason IIv wrote...

I play with randoms all the time, its all I play with. And I win 75-90% of my games.

this

You can even have one complete noob with you on gold if the other 3 know half way what they're doing.

If you have 3 people without a plan, then it's really getting tough (and consumable-costly).

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upinya slayin wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

fallen_acolyte wrote...

I have to say I think many of you are full of sh-- . I really don't see how you guys claim plat is so cake walk, but in game listening to people who aren't BSing online explain and talk about its difficulty and the demand of proper team coordination. When we do gold matches, we have to put in a lot of effort in them or we lose. Simple as that, but listening to most of you on the forums, gold / plat so so easy that you all solo it on a daily basis. One thing I learned about onlines games with forums... people BS too much. Yes gold is doable, no its not cake. I did plat and I found it overwhelming, but i guess im too honest. PPL with N3000+ find plat hard, but people on the forums dont... go figure.


I understand what your saying. I think the truth is alot of people on the forums play with each other and when you have 4 fully capable players it is kinda a cake walk. I don't do platinum PUGs personally becuase anytime i play a PUG with 3 randoms I fully expect to have to do all the work. and since i can't solo platinum (i never tried, just assuming lol). I guess my point is gold with 3 more players who are even decent is a cakewalk, platinum with 3 people from arelex is a cakewalk, doing PUGs is not. I think alot of people here exaggerate sometimes, but its all relative.


This. If you have a somewhat coherent team with basic teamwork, Gold is as much difficult as Silver since the enhanced lethalty of their weapons is hardly an issue if you can simply kill them fast enough with a massed barrage from your team.

And if you have a true team, be it friends or randoms that are working coordinated, likely with use of microphone, then Platinum is merely an exercise of killing stuff fast enough and not always staying in the open to get shot at.

Truth be emphasized, the game's AI and overall difficulty can't hold a candle against coordinated players and those don't even need to be excessively skilled. If they know what they are doing, they can esentially kame every difficulty the literal cake-walk even if they aren't 1337-pr0 snipers, headshot machines, having reflexes bordering on precognitional perception, or knowing everything there is on the game's mechanics and optimizing their kills to efficiently deplete a wave's spawn tickets in a way they are mostly just facing basic grunts whilst kiting the heavy enemies around the map and leaving them for last in a great bunch of targets where they impede their own movement, making them a single rocket-wipe.


I can't do Gold solos (hell, I prolly wouldn't last long in a Silver solo I think), or at the very least I couldn't do them now and never had any intention on learning how to properly do that as it's simply not as much fun as playing with PUGs imho, but I am a quite decent player and if I have a somewhat decent group, Gold simply IS a cakewalk and with friends even U/U/P is an average twenty minutes game that's quite easy enough to go on without any problems to speak of.

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