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[lokisjoke13]

Lmfao well played dragon racer! Quite entertaining.

[BongMong]

If you took all the carp (and the pron) off the internet, I could probably run the rest from my home server. ~

Modifié par BongMong, 10 septembre 2012 - 07:26 .

[Hrothdane]

A great post that brings a welcome bit of culture to these despairing lands.

[BongMong]

Hrothdane wrote...

A great post that brings a welcome bit of culture to these despairing lands.

Yep, not often seen. Took me right back to uni.

[The fool you should have eaten]

OblivionDawn wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Not starting every Word with a capital letter could be a nice place to start making one self more usefull.

----Joke---->

[Head]


At OP:
So, in short, they're fools and we should eat them.

Say what?  I as a random, resent this!

[MajorStupidity]

The OP was awesome, very entertaining. The problem with randoms is that they keep jumping into difficulty levels too high for them.

When I started I did not play silver difficulty until all my commons were maxed and I was over N7 120

I only really started playing gold primarily when Earth came out, and my friend who only wanted to play gold started playing more often.

Now I can play gold and carry as long as one other competent person is in the game. I never felt the desire to jump into gold and have people carry me for credits. I might have farmed in the beginning but that whole strategy is made to carry.

Modifié par MajorStupidity, 10 septembre 2012 - 07:39 .

[DragonRacer]

VaultingFrog wrote...

Here is my question.... do the people who write such "letters" to randoms really expect to see any results of said letter? I can honestly say that by in large (in my own opinion) that the crowd of players here on these forums is a vast minority of players in ME3 MP. I wouldnt put it beyond 15% and that is stretching it by my account.

So really your writing "letters" to people who will never see them, no particularly care what you think, want or feel. Seems like a bloody waste of time and forum space to me. Speaking of waste of forum space, this post of mine is a prime example of that waste, but I do it anyways because of the amount of threads I have seen.

I'm not quite sure if you are referring to my "letter" in the OP.

If you are, please Google search "A Modest Proposal" and check out the Wikipedia entry on it. Long story short, I agree with you and made such a statement by creating an OP satire (which is, of itself, also a satire).

[MajorStupidity]

DragonRacer wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

Here is my question.... do the people who write such "letters" to randoms really expect to see any results of said letter? I can honestly say that by in large (in my own opinion) that the crowd of players here on these forums is a vast minority of players in ME3 MP. I wouldnt put it beyond 15% and that is stretching it by my account.

So really your writing "letters" to people who will never see them, no particularly care what you think, want or feel. Seems like a bloody waste of time and forum space to me. Speaking of waste of forum space, this post of mine is a prime example of that waste, but I do it anyways because of the amount of threads I have seen.

I'm not quite sure if you are referring to my "letter" in the OP.

If you are, please Google search "A Modest Proposal" and check out the Wikipedia entry on it. Long story short, I agree with you and made such a statement by creating an OP satire (which is, of itself, also a satire).

Awesome satire.

[cronshaw]

Cyonan wrote...

bjiogyof icyr wrote...

The notion of gaming elitism leaves me baffled.

Elitism exists in just about everything that humans do.

To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me to find humans that are elitist about the way somebody sleeps.

Sleeping on your back takes way more skill than sleeping on your side.
I of course sleep standing up

[VaultingFrog]

DragonRacer wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

Here is my question.... do the people who write such "letters" to randoms really expect to see any results of said letter? I can honestly say that by in large (in my own opinion) that the crowd of players here on these forums is a vast minority of players in ME3 MP. I wouldnt put it beyond 15% and that is stretching it by my account.

So really your writing "letters" to people who will never see them, no particularly care what you think, want or feel. Seems like a bloody waste of time and forum space to me. Speaking of waste of forum space, this post of mine is a prime example of that waste, but I do it anyways because of the amount of threads I have seen.

I'm not quite sure if you are referring to my "letter" in the OP.

If you are, please Google search "A Modest Proposal" and check out the Wikipedia entry on it. Long story short, I agree with you and made such a statement by creating an OP satire (which is, of itself, also a satire).

No, I was not refering to your thread, but the recent influx of rage threads created by people who seem to feel that its alright to hate on the randoms. Sure there are different skills involved but hey its the internet, what can you really expect when doing a PUG? I see alot of senseless rage from them and it wont pay off here or anywhere because the people they are raging at are not on here or just dont care.

I just wanted to know if they truely expect a responce, appology or a drastic change in the PUG system for pairing.

[VaultingFrog]

modok8 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

bjiogyof icyr wrote...

The notion of gaming elitism leaves me baffled.

Elitism exists in just about everything that humans do.

To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me to find humans that are elitist about the way somebody sleeps.

Sleeping on your back takes way more skill than sleeping on your side.
I of course sleep standing up

I sleep doing a head stand, thats right a hand stand but with no hands just my dome. Some times I do it in a tub full of beef gravy just to mix it up. NOOB you cant sleep right till you try that..

Please oh please dont take this seriously........

[rmccowen]

BongMong wrote...

Actually, thinking some more, this might help you understand. Imagine some RPGers have wandered into a gold game without 1337 consent. It happens. They are all set to fight an heroic losing battle against the reaper foe and go down in a dramatic firefight as a close knit team, sticking together and fighting back to back as ME3 game play encourages. Then a 1337 turns up and runs round each map 'carrying' the team, all the time moaning at other players for being 'weak leachers' or some such. Marvellous. It happens quite a bit, I think you'll find.

It doesn't help me understand at all, because: 

A) Anyone who shows up to even a pretend battle with a scripted outcome in mind is making a mistake. (My man Sun Tzu has my back on this point.)

The whole point of setting up opposition in a roleplaying scenario is to provide risk--the chance for either failure or success. Deciding ahead of time what the outcome is going to be removes the risk, and therefore the reason to engage in the game. (If you'd rather tell a scripted story, I can think of a half dozen more appropriate settings off the top of my head--write fan fiction, roleplay over Skype, play by post, play a MUSH, whatever.)

C) If your intention is to play to lose, why wouldn't you just set the match to private?

Of course RPGers rarely moan about such in game, because that would be out of character. It doesn't mean this isn't a common problem that we all have to accept however. Having a go at those different than you is unlikely to work. If you want to convert RPGers to 1337 calc players, just persuade them why your way would be fun to try. Just because I don't see what the attraction is, doesn't mean I can't see that the 1337 calcs have fun playing this way. They clearly do.

Look, I've been involved in the past in both improv and free-form roleplay settings. I've helped administer a MUSH, I've LARPed, I've attended Renaissance fairs in character. I've been a pen-and-paper and computer RPG gamer for essentially my entire adult life, in too many systems to list, as both a player and a GM. (For God's sake, one of my calendar entries for this week is to sit down for a ninety-minute in-character interview with the guy running a FATE game set in modern LA.)

So I know from roleplaying.

Your assumption that anyone who's a "1337 calc"--which by the way makes me twitch to read, let alone to write--is incapable of roleplaying is ridiculous on its face, and would be even if multiple people hadn't pointed out upthread that they're interested in both mechanics and roleplaying. Asking if an Excel front end would satisfy that group of players adds insult to injury, because (in a thread where you're denouncing elitism, no less) you're strongly implying that anyone who is interested in understanding the game's mechanics has no interest whatsoever in even playing the game.

Someone upthread mentioned that this battle has been going on in pen-and-paper games for thirty years, and he's wrong--it's on the other side of forty years, these days. And it's been a ridiculous argument for the entire time, because it sets up both a false dichotomy and an excluded middle: there are people who enjoy both roleplaying and getting under the hood to look at the mechanics, and there's also a sizeable group of people who just want to play. 

I think I need to be done with this thread now, for reasons of both length and temper, but to try one more time to bring it back around: I don't think anyone who complains about PUGs is expecting their post to change anything. It's not about elitism, or drawing some kind of class distinction between people who deserve to be in the game and people who don't. I think it's about finding an informed community with which to share frustrations, and thereby lessen them.

[Bergioynn]

You Sir, win an internet!

[whateverman7]

MajorStupidity wrote...

The OP was awesome, very entertaining. The problem with randoms is that they keep jumping into difficulty levels too high for them.

When I started I did not play silver difficulty until all my commons were maxed and I was over N7 120

I only really started playing gold primarily when Earth came out, and my friend who only wanted to play gold started playing more often.

Now I can play gold and carry as long as one other competent person is in the game. I never felt the desire to jump into gold and have people carry me for credits. I might have farmed in the beginning but that whole strategy is made to carry.

*disclaimer - i'm not attacking you nor saying this is what you do, just using what you said as an example*

this is exactly the issue the OP's topic is touching on.....the only thing that should determine the difficulty you play is yourself, .the belief in your skills as a gamer....not your n7 ranking, not what you have maxed/equipped, and damn sure not another player you've never played with and/or is only judging your skills on the sticks by looking at a loadout in the lobby....cause contrary to popular belief on the bsn: everything in the game is 'viable' on any difficulty....

what i've come to learn is that us randoms (i include myself cause i dont host and all i play is public games) gain our knowledge about the game from playing the game and not the bsn; while most of the bsn gains their knowledge about the game from spreadsheets and others here on the bsn....that's why when you play with randoms, you'll see different loadouts, see people playing with different builds/playing differently then the preferred way stated on the bsn....

[DragonRacer]

VaultingFrog wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

Here is my question.... do the people who write such "letters" to randoms really expect to see any results of said letter? I can honestly say that by in large (in my own opinion) that the crowd of players here on these forums is a vast minority of players in ME3 MP. I wouldnt put it beyond 15% and that is stretching it by my account.

So really your writing "letters" to people who will never see them, no particularly care what you think, want or feel. Seems like a bloody waste of time and forum space to me. Speaking of waste of forum space, this post of mine is a prime example of that waste, but I do it anyways because of the amount of threads I have seen.

I'm not quite sure if you are referring to my "letter" in the OP.

If you are, please Google search "A Modest Proposal" and check out the Wikipedia entry on it. Long story short, I agree with you and made such a statement by creating an OP satire (which is, of itself, also a satire).

No, I was not refering to your thread, but the recent influx of rage threads created by people who seem to feel that its alright to hate on the randoms. Sure there are different skills involved but hey its the internet, what can you really expect when doing a PUG? I see alot of senseless rage from them and it wont pay off here or anywhere because the people they are raging at are not on here or just dont care.

I just wanted to know if they truely expect a responce, appology or a drastic change in the PUG system for pairing.

Very good question. I think, which one poster basically said earlier, is that a lot of it is frustrated venting. But my God, there's been at least three to four random-rage threads on the first page the past day or two. Some with cursing in the title, even (which finally got itself locked, no surprises there). Seems entirely out-of-proportion, in my opinion. If nothing else, if one must rage, rage at the object of your frustration.

Heck, I will even contribute an example. I ended up in a PUG Gold game last night. Had some good ones, but this one was just dire. Started with four people in U/U/G. Got Reapers/White. Immediately, two run off for the Geth farming room. The Kroguard and I stay nearby, but outside actively killing things. This encouraged the two campers to go outside with us together. One goes down. As I am running towards him, telling him over the mic that I've got him, a trooper rushes up. I Overload the trooper and kill him and as I stoop down to revive, the guy disappears. Literally just melts away and is gone from the game. Might have lost connection, but I suspect a rage-quit because he thought he was about to be executed. Wave 2, kroguard goes down, I pick him up. Moments later, he goes down again along with the other fellow. I start clearing out the enemies on top of them, but there won't be time for me to revive them, too, so I suggest someone medigel and get the other up and/or help me clean up the mess. Nope. Nobody could be bothered to use a consumable. That made me quite angry, as I was fighting as hard as I could. But I cannot carry a Gold game alone. So, I made my anger known over the mic and we all bled out... only to have some poor soul drop into the game in that open 4th spot. Warned him straight off we had a group of ninnies who couldn't be bothered to "waste" a medigel. 4th goes down, medigels once, goes down again, stays down.

Was that all frustrating? Yes, quite so. Did I feel a need to immediately come on the forum, make a brand new thread, and rage against all randoms in general? Nope. Because you know what? That was one bad game out of the many decent-to-good ones I had that night.

Therein, lies the difference.

[QU67]

I concur.

[Evil]

But, If I eat the pugs, who'll carry me?

[DrunkenRonin]

I concur.

[QU67]

But, If I eat the pugs, who'll carry me?

 

Right here babbeh.

[Creator Limbs]

And on this day, yet another early thread was necro'd.

[Mako]

And on this day, yet another early thread was necro'd.

THE END IS NIGH!

[QU67]

And on this day, yet another early thread was necro'd.

 

And not a single **** will be given.

[bondiboy]

Holy Necro !

[regack]

[capn233]

Yeah I had several different comments lined up in my drunken stupor, but I figured it is best not to post them.