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[upinya slayin]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

lol lash out with personal attacks, real mature. I'm not going to stoop to your level.

:blink:  You started with generalized attacks and insults against an entire group of people, and now you're claiming the moral highground?

I never personally attacked anyone. Yes i ddi make a DB-like comment way earlier in the thread about PS3 players not ebing able to do a proper speedrun, but it was directed at the people who cheated to unlock eveyrthing. I don't like cheaters, period. The title is about the explioters and my comments were directed at them. I've made similar negative comments about 360 imssile glicthers, and PC file editors. I don't like cheaters. If you took it the wrong way I don't know what to tell you.

The rest of my comments were polite and concise. I made a general stataement about a majority of people. I just said taht IMHO most PS3 players don't get it to game. they get it for blu ray and will casually play a game here and there. I never said All. Nobody buys the 360 as a DVD player. My friends and family that have PS3s are not gamers. I never insulted anyone either. saying somebody isn't elite isn't an insult. I don't feel i'm elite at all. If i said they all suck then that woud be an insult. I'm just saying i've yet to see an elite PS3 player. Thats all. Its a true statement. I ahven't seen one. Doens't mean they don't exist.

People tend to read 1 line of a 5 paragraph post and "take it the wrong way" and immediatly attack the person for it. Thats the internet i guess

[RohanSpartan]

But but but... my PS3 controllers are broken and my friends only have 360s. How can I check to see if my account was affected? and if you say 'go buy a controller', I am broke.

Modifié par RohanSpartan, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:21 .

[upinya slayin]

RohanSpartan wrote...

But but but... my PS3 controllers are broken and my friends only have 360s. How can I check to see if my account was affected? and if you say 'go buy a controller', I a broke.

If you are wondering if you are affected its becuase you probably used the expliot or else you wouldn't be wondering. so if it wasn't affected it will be by the time a BW mod reads your post lol.

You could contact EA support and have them look at your account

[CmnDwnWrkn]

upinya - what is your definition of an "elite player"? Someone who is both good AND makes YouTube videos? And if you don't play on PS3, doesn't it stand to reason that you wouldn't see any PS3 elite players?

[upinya slayin]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

upinya - what is your definition of an "elite player"? Someone who is both good AND makes YouTube videos? And if you don't play on PS3, doesn't it stand to reason that you wouldn't see any PS3 elite players?

You would think so but in a social network you figured they would have joined the speed runs. Some did one but the time was pretty bad IIRC. you figured the PS3 elite would have got together to put up a good speed run time to join the 360 and PC players. the only attempt was a fail. I never said their couldn't be or wasn't. I just said i never seen any. I don't play it on the PC but i've seen elite PC players and i've heard of elite PC players from the forums. I've never seen or heard fo an elite PS3. thats all i said, not that they didn't exist.

[Ryoyoung83]

Look im a PS3 user, I never used a glitch and wouldnt know how to exploit it if I did but does this have something to do with why I havent got a SINGLE weapon card except for victory and commendation packs??

[upinya slayin]

Ryoyoung83 wrote...

Look im a PS3 user, I never used a glitch and wouldnt know how to exploit it if I did but does this have something to do with why I havent got a SINGLE weapon card except for victory and commendation packs??

your manifest shows you have almost every weapon and all your non URs maxed out. who can you say you haven't gotten a weapon. only thing left is URs and your lucky if you get 1 out of every 10 packs you buy

[dysturbed0ne]

I use to own 360's, I guess that means I use to be a gamer. I guess I would rather be a "casual gamer" on the PS3 and actually be able to play, instead of replacing 4 consoles over the course of 3 years (2 of which were the "improved" slims...pfft).

[upinya slayin]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

I use to own 360's, I guess that means I use to be a gamer. I guess I would rather be a "casual gamer" on the PS3 and actually be able to play, instead of replacing 4 consoles over the course of 3 years (2 of which were the "improved" slims...pfft).

i never claimed anything about reliability. I have the original 360. had it fixed twice (for free) from the RROD. I've had it since its release. thats not bad to have an electronic going on 9 years w/o having to pay a penny for repair. Its not the most reliable at all. I know that. this wasn't an xbox vs PS3 thread. I think both are great pieces of equipment. it has nothing to do with skill level of players. and again MOST are. eveyrone i know taht has one isn't a gamer. they got it for the blu ray when it came out. and they all suck at games lol. It doens't mean nobody is a gamer

[RohanSpartan]

upinya slayin wrote...

RohanSpartan wrote...

But but but... my PS3 controllers are broken and my friends only have 360s. How can I check to see if my account was affected? and if you say 'go buy a controller', I a broke.

If you are wondering if you are affected its becuase you probably used the expliot or else you wouldn't be wondering. so if it wasn't affected it will be by the time a BW mod reads your post lol.

You could contact EA support and have them look at your account

I don't even know what exploit they are talking about. I never use cheats or hacks or exploits on computer or console games(Gameboy games are open season though). Heck, I only have 3 Ultra Rares unlocked and both are LV 1. The Talon, the Saber and the Wraith.

[upinya slayin]

RohanSpartan wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

RohanSpartan wrote...

But but but... my PS3 controllers are broken and my friends only have 360s. How can I check to see if my account was affected? and if you say 'go buy a controller', I a broke.

If you are wondering if you are affected its becuase you probably used the expliot or else you wouldn't be wondering. so if it wasn't affected it will be by the time a BW mod reads your post lol.

You could contact EA support and have them look at your account

I don't even know what exploit they are talking about. I never use cheats or hacks or exploits on computer or console games(Gameboy games are open season though). Heck, I only have 3 Ultra Rares unlocked and both are LV 1. The Talon, the Saber and the Wraith.

then you have nothing to worry about lol

[Sovereign24]

I don't know a single person who bought a PS3 just for the Blue-ray player. The concept was foreign to me until reading this thread.

Modifié par Sovereign24, 14 septembre 2012 - 09:54 .

[DragonRacer]

Sovereign24 wrote...

I don't know a single person who bought a PS3 just for the Blue-ray player. The concept was foreign to me until reading this thread.

Yeah, this thread was the first time I ever saw such an idea floated around, too. Really boggled my mind.

I think Upinya is just suffering from assuming his circle of family and friends represent a good PS3 community sample. It doesn't. Just because everyone he personally knows with a PS3 isn't, by his definition, a real gamer... well, my easy counter is that all the family and friends that *I* know bought PS3s primarily to game on. But without some sort of actual, real survey sent out to PS3 owners asking their primary reason for purchase, we are both stuck talking out of our bums because neither one of us has anything even remotely resembling a decent sample size.

[Zso_Zso]

upinya slayin wrote...

wow you guys get butthurt and defensive. I said most not all. Thats 2 people who said they are real gamers out of what 100k online ME3 players for PS3? way less then 1% lol I'm not saying you aren't a real gamer, just that a majority of PS3 players got it for the blu ray and will play a game here and there. no I don't think you have to live in your parents basement or even be a certain skill level. But if you play games like 2 hours a week but watch 20 blu rays a week your not a gamer lol. IN your case if your playing 5-8 hours a day then yes i'd consider you a gamer. If you can't understand what i'm saying then don't respond all butthurt. you make yourself look bad

OK, let me get your logic straight:

1. You know a few people from friends & family who bought it for blue-ray and not real games
2. There are already 5-6 ps3 players responded on this thread to oppose your assumption and state that they bought it for gaming and not for blueray (add one for me to that count too, plus my circle of friends as all of them bought it for gaming too).
3.You defend your position stating that the few who spoken THE SAME TYPE OF STATEMENT AS YOURSELF (eberybody they know in friends and family) with opposite usage are the minority and your SMALLER sample represents the absolute truth (despite contrary evidence).

So you can judge the "majority" of the 64 million ps3 users based on your 5-6 sample, but 5 ps3 users with their circle of friends (totalling maybe 20-30 users) cannot.

Yes, that is real mature logic...

ps: I have 2 ps3 at home for gaming and 10+ at work where we develop scientific modeling software for it. My company has sold said software for hundreds of ps3 units that are used only for computation, neither gaming nor blueray watching -- so I might as well state that the VAST MAJORITY of ps3 units are used for scientific modeling.

Modifié par Zso_Zso, 14 septembre 2012 - 01:59 .

[upinya slayin]

DragonRacer wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

I don't know a single person who bought a PS3 just for the Blue-ray player. The concept was foreign to me until reading this thread.

Yeah, this thread was the first time I ever saw such an idea floated around, too. Really boggled my mind.

I think Upinya is just suffering from assuming his circle of family and friends represent a good PS3 community sample. It doesn't. Just because everyone he personally knows with a PS3 isn't, by his definition, a real gamer... well, my easy counter is that all the family and friends that *I* know bought PS3s primarily to game on. But without some sort of actual, real survey sent out to PS3 owners asking their primary reason for purchase, we are both stuck talking out of our bums because neither one of us has anything even remotely resembling a decent sample size.

Really? a survery?

http://forums.gametr...?f=28&t=1067883

Number 1 factor for buying a PS3 was in fact the blu ray feature as recorded by the nielson company. and this was from 2010 so you really never heard of such an idea? When the PS3 forst came out it didn't cost much more then a stand alone blu ray. now you can buy a blu ray for like 50-150 so they are much cheaper. This idea has existed since its release

[upinya slayin]

Zso_Zso wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

wow you guys get butthurt and defensive. I said most not all. Thats 2 people who said they are real gamers out of what 100k online ME3 players for PS3? way less then 1% lol I'm not saying you aren't a real gamer, just that a majority of PS3 players got it for the blu ray and will play a game here and there. no I don't think you have to live in your parents basement or even be a certain skill level. But if you play games like 2 hours a week but watch 20 blu rays a week your not a gamer lol. IN your case if your playing 5-8 hours a day then yes i'd consider you a gamer. If you can't understand what i'm saying then don't respond all butthurt. you make yourself look bad

OK, let me get your logic straight:

1. You know a few people from friends & family who bought it for blue-ray and not real games
2. There are already 5-6 ps3 players responded on this thread to oppose your assumption and state that they bought it for gaming and not for blueray (add one for me to that count too, plus my circle of friends as all of them bought it for gaming too).
3.You defend your position stating that the few who spoken THE SAME TYPE OF STATEMENT AS YOURSELF (eberybody they know in friends and family) with opposite usage are the minority and your SMALLER sample represents the absolute truth (despite contrary evidence).

So you can judge the "majority" of the 64 million ps3 users based on your 5-6 sample, but 5 ps3 users with their circle of friends (totalling maybe 20-30 users) cannot.

Yes, that is real mature logic...

ps: I have 2 ps3 at home for gaming and 10+ at work where we develop scientific modeling software for it. My company has sold said software for hundreds of ps3 units that are used only for computation, neither gaming nor blueray watching -- so I might as well state that the VAST MAJORITY of ps3 units are used for scientific modeling.

use google. its your friend. Its not a new concept. its something that has been stated since day 1 of release. Alot of people have brought it for the blu ray. Like i said that seems to be the majority of the whatever million sold. I guess my main point is even you have to amdit that SOME people have got the PS3 as a blu ray player primairly, but you never hear of anyway buying an xbox for the dvd player primairly.

I also don't understand why you would want to pick 1 line out of a 5 paragraph post and try to disect it. I gave my opinion and you are trying to prove my opinion wrong? an opinion cannot be wrong. its not a fact its an opinion. You wanna argue over which color is better blue or green? cause thats makes about as much sense as your logic when trying to argue with me.

[DragonRacer]

upinya slayin wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

I don't know a single person who bought a PS3 just for the Blue-ray player. The concept was foreign to me until reading this thread.

Yeah, this thread was the first time I ever saw such an idea floated around, too. Really boggled my mind.

I think Upinya is just suffering from assuming his circle of family and friends represent a good PS3 community sample. It doesn't. Just because everyone he personally knows with a PS3 isn't, by his definition, a real gamer... well, my easy counter is that all the family and friends that *I* know bought PS3s primarily to game on. But without some sort of actual, real survey sent out to PS3 owners asking their primary reason for purchase, we are both stuck talking out of our bums because neither one of us has anything even remotely resembling a decent sample size.

Really? a survery?

http://forums.gametr...?f=28&t=1067883

Number 1 factor for buying a PS3 was in fact the blu ray feature as recorded by the nielson company. and this was from 2010 so you really never heard of such an idea? When the PS3 forst came out it didn't cost much more then a stand alone blu ray. now you can buy a blu ray for like 50-150 so they are much cheaper. This idea has existed since its release

Thank you for actually linking to something legitimate, instead of just making claims that appeared to be based solely on your personal experience at the time you were making them. And no, I had never really heard of such an idea. I am, unfortunately, not a walking encyclopedia of knowledge.

However, you do present the survey findings as if there is some large gap between people who bought it for Blu-Ray and people who bought it for video games (which are also not necessarily mutually exclusive factors). The survey shows 65% for Blu Ray and 63% for the library of games. A 2% difference does not mean there is some giant lack of "real gamers" on the PS3. What is lacking is, apparently, some organized group of "elite" PS3 players roaming around on the message boards/YouTube, etc.

Edited to add: By the way, if someone is disagreeing on a claim you make, admonishing someone to "Google it" is not a mature response. If you make a claim and present it as fact, and someone argues it, the onus is on you to show proof that what you state is fact and not opinion. And maybe I mis-read you, but you came off as presenting it as fact, not your personal opinion.

Modifié par DragonRacer, 14 septembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[Zso_Zso]

upinya slayin wrote...

I also don't understand why you
would want to pick 1 line out of a 5 paragraph post and try to disect
it. I gave my opinion and you are trying to prove my opinion wrong? an
opinion cannot be wrong. its not a fact its an opinion. You wanna argue
over which color is better blue or green? cause thats makes about as
much sense as your logic when trying to argue with me.

Here is your original statement from the top of page 4 that ignited all the "butthurt" response as you characterise them:

upinya slayin wrote...

most PS3 players aren't real gamers. they are people who play games occasionally but got it for a blu ray player

This does not sound at all like an "opinion". It is a categoric statement about the majority of ps3 players with a negative connotation on a gamer forum. It has 2 components:

1. You think PS3 players are not real gamers -- this is an offensive categorisation of the "players", whatever percentage it is from the 64 million total users you are talking specifically about "PS3 players" not PS3 owners.

2. Most PS3 players got the PS3 for blue ray player and play occasionally

The second part is a factual statement which can be true or false, not an opinion such as which color you like better.

To clarify your logic error, here is an example:
Suppose my opinion is that the earth is flat, and the moon is made out of cheese.
You cannot argue that I am wrong, since it is my opinion and you cannot argue an opinion.

[upinya slayin]

DragonRacer wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

DragonRacer wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

I don't know a single person who bought a PS3 just for the Blue-ray player. The concept was foreign to me until reading this thread.

Yeah, this thread was the first time I ever saw such an idea floated around, too. Really boggled my mind.

I think Upinya is just suffering from assuming his circle of family and friends represent a good PS3 community sample. It doesn't. Just because everyone he personally knows with a PS3 isn't, by his definition, a real gamer... well, my easy counter is that all the family and friends that *I* know bought PS3s primarily to game on. But without some sort of actual, real survey sent out to PS3 owners asking their primary reason for purchase, we are both stuck talking out of our bums because neither one of us has anything even remotely resembling a decent sample size.

Really? a survery?

http://forums.gametr...?f=28&t=1067883

Number 1 factor for buying a PS3 was in fact the blu ray feature as recorded by the nielson company. and this was from 2010 so you really never heard of such an idea? When the PS3 forst came out it didn't cost much more then a stand alone blu ray. now you can buy a blu ray for like 50-150 so they are much cheaper. This idea has existed since its release

Thank you for actually linking to something legitimate, instead of just making claims that appeared to be based solely on your personal experience at the time you were making them. And no, I had never really heard of such an idea. I am, unfortunately, not a walking encyclopedia of knowledge.

However, you do present the survey findings as if there is some large gap between people who bought it for Blu-Ray and people who bought it for video games (which are also not necessarily mutually exclusive factors). The survey shows 65% for Blu Ray and 63% for the library of games. A 2% difference does not mean there is some giant lack of "real gamers" on the PS3. What is lacking is, apparently, some organized group of "elite" PS3 players roaming around on the message boards/YouTube, etc.

Edited to add: By the way, if someone is disagreeing on a claim you make, admonishing someone to "Google it" is not a mature response. If you make a claim and present it as fact, and someone argues it, the onus is on you to show proof that what you state is fact and not opinion. And maybe I mis-read you, but you came off as presenting it as fact, not your personal opinion.

I've never presented anything in the thread as a fact. And if you've never heard of anything before you make a comment on somehting you never heard of why not use google?? isn't that what its there for

for instance lets say you use an abbreviation i've never heard of. I could reply back asking what it stands for or i could use google and look it up myself so i know what you are talking about. I think its a perfectly resonable response.

[upinya slayin]

Zso_Zso wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

I also don't understand why you
would want to pick 1 line out of a 5 paragraph post and try to disect
it. I gave my opinion and you are trying to prove my opinion wrong? an
opinion cannot be wrong. its not a fact its an opinion. You wanna argue
over which color is better blue or green? cause thats makes about as
much sense as your logic when trying to argue with me.

Here is your original statement from the top of page 4 that ignited all the "butthurt" response as you characterise them:

upinya slayin wrote...

most PS3 players aren't real gamers. they are people who play games occasionally but got it for a blu ray player

This does not sound at all like an "opinion". It is a categoric statement about the majority of ps3 players with a negative connotation on a gamer forum. It has 2 components:

1. You think PS3 players are not real gamers -- this is an offensive categorisation of the "players", whatever percentage it is from the 64 million total users you are talking specifically about "PS3 players" not PS3 owners.

2. Most PS3 players got the PS3 for blue ray player and play occasionally

The second part is a factual statement which can be true or false, not an opinion such as which color you like better.

To clarify your logic error, here is an example:
Suppose my opinion is that the earth is flat, and the moon is made out of cheese.
You cannot argue that I am wrong, since it is my opinion and you cannot argue an opinion.

Should i just added in an IMHO? WOuld that have really stopped 8 pages of people ignoring eveyrhitng i say and pciking apart every post? The problem with internet (or anything done in writing basically) is taht people interpret things different ways. Me and you could both read the same book yet get different "vibes" off the main characters personality. Its not like in person where you can see someones intent when they are talking to you. body language, tone of voice etc.

I should also mention that if you guys are in fact gamers Team Arelex is open to PS3 and PC players now as well and I suggest joining up. The PS3 could use some elite leaders that are gamers to help build a strong community.

[Zso_Zso]

upinya slayin wrote...

Really? a survery?

http://forums.gametr...?f=28&t=1067883

Number 1 factor for buying a PS3 was in fact the blu ray feature as recorded by the nielson company. and this was from 2010 so you really never heard of such an idea? When the PS3 forst came out it didn't cost much more then a stand alone blu ray. now you can buy a blu ray for like 50-150 so they are much cheaper. This idea has existed since its release

You are reading too much into the survey result. It does not prove that "Number 1 factor for buying a PS3 was in fact the blu ray feature" at all.

1. People had to pick 5 motivating reasons and the blue-ray was one of the 5 in 65%, this does not prove "number 1 factor", it could have been #4 or #5 for most of the 65%. Survey simply did not ask the question what was the primary reason to buy it.

2. There are only 1 blue-ray related choices, but there are 5 separate gaming related choices, and they got  62%, 62%, 56%, 42% and 12% choices respectively, which totals far more than the blue-ray one. So no direct comparison is possible because the survey split the "primary for gaming purpose" into 5 separate categories while leaving the blue-ray in a single choice.

3. There is simply no data showing what percentage of people choose at least 1 of the 5 gaming reasons, it could be 100%, we simply dont know from this survey data, all we know is that it is at least 62%.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

That's actually a pretty lousy survey, at least in terms of the conclusions drawn from it. There is only 1 purchase motivator related to Blu-Ray, but there are 5 separate purchase motivators directly related to gaming. Because of this, responses from people who are interested in gaming will be dispersed across 5 separate categories, whereas Blu-Ray respondents will all be concentrated in that one criteria. It seems the survey was structured to induce a specific outcome.

[upinya slayin]

Zso_Zso wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Really? a survery?

http://forums.gametr...?f=28&t=1067883

Number 1 factor for buying a PS3 was in fact the blu ray feature as recorded by the nielson company. and this was from 2010 so you really never heard of such an idea? When the PS3 forst came out it didn't cost much more then a stand alone blu ray. now you can buy a blu ray for like 50-150 so they are much cheaper. This idea has existed since its release

You are reading too much into the survey result. It does not prove that "Number 1 factor for buying a PS3 was in fact the blu ray feature" at all.

1. People had to pick 5 motivating reasons and the blue-ray was one of the 5 in 65%, this does not prove "number 1 factor", it could have been #4 or #5 for most of the 65%. Survey simply did not ask the question what was the primary reason to buy it.

2. There are only 1 blue-ray related choices, but there are 5 separate gaming related choices, and they got  62%, 62%, 56%, 42% and 12% choices respectively, which totals far more than the blue-ray one. So no direct comparison is possible because the survey split the "primary for gaming purpose" into 5 separate categories while leaving the blue-ray in a single choice.

3. There is simply no data showing what percentage of people choose at least 1 of the 5 gaming reasons, it could be 100%, we simply dont know from this survey data, all we know is that it is at least 62%.

Do you even read my posts or troll for arguments? I never said it was proof that people buy it for the blu ray. He stated he has never even heard of such a concept. I used to survey as proof that it has been a well known concept for some time. people have gotten it for the blu ray only and/or have chosen it over the xbox simply becuase it plays blu ray.

[tjh_ca]

upinya slayin wrote...

Really? a survery?

http://forums.gametr...?f=28&t=1067883

Number 1 factor for buying a PS3 was in fact the blu ray feature as recorded by the nielson company. and this was from 2010 so you really never heard of such an idea? When the PS3 forst came out it didn't cost much more then a stand alone blu ray. now you can buy a blu ray for like 50-150 so they are much cheaper. This idea has existed since its release

But then google also found this article about a recent study: realgamernewz.com/new-data-playstation-3-is-the-most-played-gaming-console-global-console-sales-to-decrease-19/.  I didn't read the study referenced because it costs $7000 to acquire, but apparently this study determined, among other things,  that there are more x-boxers that buy their console for non-gaming purposes than PS3 purchasers.  (This admittedly puzzles me greatly).

I do have to admit, however, that I am a PS3 user who originally purchased the system to use as a blu-ray player.  So yes, we do exist.  At the time the HD format war ended there was no difference in price between a PS3 and the cheapest stand-alone player.  I did the research at the time - the PS3 was considered one of the best blu-ray players, was more easily upgraded to new firmware, and - oh yeah - was also a current generation gaming console.  So buying the PS3 as my blu-ray player was a no-brainer.

And for the first 6 months or so my PS3 was primarily a blu-ray player.  But over time I started playing more and more games and now I use at least 20 hours a week for gaming.  I would think though that not too many others who purchased the PS3 as a blu-ray play would now be ME3MP fans who come to these forums, so the angry replies should have been expected.  There are a lot of proud PS3 gamers as you are finding out.

I would suggest we lay off upinya now though.  He made an unfortunate db comment that has snowballed.  But he has also expressed his support for PS3 players many other times in many other threads, so let's cut him some slack.

[upinya slayin]

tjh_ca wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Really? a survery?

http://forums.gametr...?f=28&t=1067883

Number 1 factor for buying a PS3 was in fact the blu ray feature as recorded by the nielson company. and this was from 2010 so you really never heard of such an idea? When the PS3 forst came out it didn't cost much more then a stand alone blu ray. now you can buy a blu ray for like 50-150 so they are much cheaper. This idea has existed since its release

But then google also found this article about a recent study: realgamernewz.com/new-data-playstation-3-is-the-most-played-gaming-console-global-console-sales-to-decrease-19/.  I didn't read the study referenced because it costs $7000 to acquire, but apparently this study determined, among other things,  that there are more x-boxers that buy their console for non-gaming purposes than PS3 purchasers.  (This admittedly puzzles me greatly).

I do have to admit, however, that I am a PS3 user who originally purchased the system to use as a blu-ray player.  So yes, we do exist.  At the time the HD format war ended there was no difference in price between a PS3 and the cheapest stand-alone player.  I did the research at the time - the PS3 was considered one of the best blu-ray players, was more easily upgraded to new firmware, and - oh yeah - was also a current generation gaming console.  So buying the PS3 as my blu-ray player was a no-brainer.

And for the first 6 months or so my PS3 was primarily a blu-ray player.  But over time I started playing more and more games and now I use at least 20 hours a week for gaming.  I would think though that not too many others who purchased the PS3 as a blu-ray play would now be ME3MP fans who come to these forums, so the angry replies should have been expected.  There are a lot of proud PS3 gamers as you are finding out.

I would suggest we lay off upinya now though.  He made an unfortunate db comment that has snowballed.  But he has also expressed his support for PS3 players many other times in many other threads, so let's cut him some slack.

Thats an interesting link. I could see that being somewhat true. since most cocmputer owners have windows (i believe they still hold a majority share over apple) and the 360 was made to link up PCs with it and windows 7 plus the kinect controls could allow you some serious freedom using it as an entertainment center.

Anyway this will be my last post regarding this subject. You can say what you want but i won't respond to any negativity. But just to make a few things clear

1) yes i made a DB-like comment but it wasn't directed at PS3 players, it was directed at the cheaters which is what the title of this thread is regarding. I don't like cheaters and yes i will be a DB to them for ruining other peoples fun by cheating. I don't have anythign against PS3 or PC players as a whole. I talk as much sh*t about xbox missile glicthers and PC file modders. I don't like cheaters

2) The comment about people buying PS3 as a blu ray is my opinion. it is not fact nor was eevr presented as fact. in my experiance only 1 friend i have that has a PS3 (out of like 10 people) got it to game and considers himself a gamer. i'd agree with hte time he plays but honestly he's prtty bad at games lol

3) No comment i made was ever intended to ****** people off, if i offended someone i apologize for that. It is my opinon that most people but PS3 as a blu ray 1st and gaming console 2nd. It is my opinion thatt i haven't seen elite PS3 players for ME3. It was me stating my opinon that was all.

4) I think console wars are stupid. I don't own sony and I don't own microsoft. they aren't paying my bills so i'm not gonna defened or trash either of them. I could care less i have no allaince to either. If some new company makes an awesome gaming system that blows microsoft out of the water then MS will get a big peace out and i'll buy the other companies console. I don't know why people defened their console to the death liek there is a peronal pride in owning one. guess what you don't own a ferrari, its a dam gaming console. nothing to be proud of. millions of people have them

5) I do urge the PS3 gamers once again to sign up for team arelex (as well as the PC players too) we have our own group, own forums, sperate rooms for all the new games (RE6, BL2, AC3, COD, Halo4, etc) and the mods will always take suggestions to site changes. its just getting started but we have a strong xbox presense already with about 150 people. We need leaders for teh PS3 to Join and use their elite skills to gain attention from other PS3 gamers to expand on the group. You guys should step up!