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[Tankred]

As great as the game is, i was sorely disappointed by the bossfight with the "Archdemon".
It is just a big bad dragon, with no background story whatsoever and not even a name. Could have been a random mob as well, sice it is surprisingly easy to kill too, with 2-3 tries at most.
Compared to former Nemeses like Sarevok and Irenicus, that dragon is a joke! Even Darth Malak from Kotor had at least some background.
The stories of the Baldurs Gate villains made the last fight nearly personal and something to remember, whereas the so called Archdemon isnt much more than a minor obstacle before the epilogue.
Let´s hope that the sequel will come with proper enemies , i guess Morrigan and her godling/dragonchild will have a lot to do with it.

Modifié par Tankred, 26 décembre 2009 - 02:27 .

[PatT2]

He has background. He used to be the Old God of Beauty, the 5th of 7 dragons. Haven't been reading that codex much?



Oh, and if you summon the army of mages and they never show up (glitch)...then it's much more challenging because its you and your party of 4 vs. all the darkspawn AND the archdemon at once.

[Tankred]

As far as i read the codex, that Dumath was the dragon slain at the first blight...

[HarlequinDream]

PatT2 wrote...

He has background. He used to be the Old God of Beauty, the 5th of 7 dragons. Haven't been reading that codex much?

Well, he might be.

After all, most of the codex entries are from someone's writing and therefore might not be entirely true. After all, we don't know they're actually gods, just like we can't know for sure whether there's a Maker, etc.

[tmp7704]

Tankred wrote...

As far as i read the codex, that Dumath was the dragon slain at the first blight...

It's Dumat and yes it was the first archdemon to be slain. He was the Dragon of Silence. The most recent archdemon was believed to be Urthemiel, the Dragon of Beauty.

[TheMadCat]

Agree, the ending sequence was the only part of the game I was really disappointed with. There was a bit of info and lore scattered throughout the game but really you learn little about this supposed Old God. One reason why I'd like to see this characters story continued, to dive deeper into the lore on these Old Gods.

[Suron]

well it is still weak. The real threat is the blight but it all takes a backstory to the political BS you go through...Loghain was made out to be the REAL badguy...you get done with him and politics and it's just...oh yah...there's a big dragon..thing..we need to kill



really it was a weak outting for a BBEG..most games build up the BBEG and make you WANT to kill them..WANT to beat them...the Dragon? eh..sure there's the whole..wipe out the world..but there's no interaction other then a few copy/paste movie "dreams" you have...OOOOO SCARY!!....psh..



I was severely disappointed by the so called "end boss"...honestly even though he was talked about all game..but there was no real interaction but replayed "dreams"...there was no real build up to killing the Archdemon...very weak move by BioWare.

[GeorgeZip]

I agree as well, kind of anti-climactic. I didn't even use my mages and elf armies, thinking I'd need them for when it got tough.



I would have liked the final battle to take place in the dwarf tunnels. They could have had you injur the dragon at the Denerim defence battle. Then the dragon retreats to a lair in the dwarf tunnels. So you take your team in there to seal it in or kill it.



I loved the game before I got to Denerim, which I did last. That zone and the finale was a big let down for me.

[Atmosfear3]

The fight with Sir Cauthrien in Howe's estate was far more challenging and menacing compared to the Archdemon to be honest.

[Alien1099]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

The fight with Sir Cauthrien in Howe's estate was far more challenging and menacing compared to the Archdemon to be honest.

wat

You mean running into the adjacent hallway and 4v1ing her? It is indeed so hard to LoS those archers and kill that ****. =p

[Grommash94]

Well, you have to remember that the arch demon is injured pretty badly too...

And I don't know, I found him to be tougher than the High Dragon >...>

Modifié par Grommash94, 26 décembre 2009 - 08:43 .

[Ain822]

they are gods? I thought they were just mages...lol. I better do more reading...

[HarlequinDream]

Ain822 wrote...

they are gods? I thought they were just mages...lol. I better do more reading...

According to the Chant of Light.

[T0paze]

Chant of Light sucks. They're extremely biased. They're also bigots.

Also, the OP does have a point. Regardless of what's written in the Codex (not much at all), the Archdemon is still the worst villain Bioware has created so far. He doesn't have any personality, he doesn't have any in-game story, he doesn't have any motives (aside from kill'em all) and on top of that all he's pretty weak. Epic fail. Even Darth Malak was better as a villain, and that should say something about the Archdemon because Darth Malak totally sucked as a villain.

Modifié par T0paze, 26 décembre 2009 - 10:43 .

[SeanMurphy2]

I felt satisfaction. I saw how the Blight had destroyed Ferelden and killed many people. By killing the Archdemon I would instantly end it.

[Squiggles1334]

Y'know, despite being a bit more fleshed out, I felt Sarevok was an even easier end boss to beat.

[LynxAQ]

Squiggles1334 wrote...

Y'know, despite being a bit more fleshed out, I felt Sarevok was an even easier end boss to beat.

The original version was easier than the arch demon idd.

But after they patched the game / or you installed TotSC, he was a 1000x harder than the arch demon.

In the original version you could pull Sarevok without his mage allies and he had alot lower health and moved slowly. (He was 100% magic resistant however, and this was removed when they buffed him in the patch / TotSC).

However, summoning 100 monsters to kill a boss was cheap and would make ANY bioware boss easy. Figt him without resorting to this and he was alot harder than the arch demon. Best thing they removed from BG2, the hordes of monster summoning.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

The fight with Sir Cauthrien in Howe's estate was far more challenging and menacing compared to the Archdemon to be honest.

I hope that's a joke?

[Squiggles1334]

LynxAQ wrote...

Squiggles1334 wrote...

Y'know, despite being a bit more fleshed out, I felt Sarevok was an even easier end boss to beat.

The original version was easier than the arch demon idd.

But after they patched the game / or you installed TotSC, he was a 1000x harder than the arch demon.

In the original version you could pull Sarevok without his mage allies and he had alot lower health and moved slowly. (He was 100% magic resistant however, and this was removed when they buffed him in the patch / TotSC).

However, summoning 100 monsters to kill a boss was cheap and would make ANY bioware boss easy. Figt him without resorting to this and he was alot harder than the arch demon. Best thing they removed from BG2, the hordes of monster summoning.

Haha, okay, spam summoning trick, guilty as charged.

[rabbitchannel]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Atmosfear3 wrote...

The fight with Sir Cauthrien in Howe's estate was far more challenging and menacing compared to the Archdemon to be honest.

I hope that's a joke?

Nah, I agree. I died several times on my first run with Cauthrien and a few times on second. I've never died with the Archdemon. I played it on hard first then twice more on nightmare. For the Archdemon fight, I used mages the first time but the second it was just my party. Though Eamon and Irving made guest appearances. I didn't even notice the ballistas and only found out about them after browsing the forums. The fight is ridiculous. The high dragon was more challenging. All I had to do was send the rest of my party to auto attack him while I micro managed the mage for positioning and occasional heal. I don't think I even used Cleansing Aura. Super disappointed.

[Ponce de Leon]

LynxAQ wrote...
However, summoning 100 monsters to kill a boss was cheap and would make ANY bioware boss easy. Figt him without resorting to this and he was alot harder than the arch demon. Best thing they removed from BG2, the hordes of monster summoning.

I learned an exploit not long ago, which enables you to summon an infinite number (or better as many times as you can) of planetars. And belive me when I say 7 planetars can destroy ToB's final boss

But still, Improved Amelyssan was possibly the hardest fight I have ever seen, IF you consider ascension an official mod...

The arch demon is just a big creature that flames violet things out of its mouth and has a lot of health.

[Estelindis]

I found the archdemon extremely easy too. Killed it on the first attempt, no reloading needed at all. To me, fights like Cauthrien, the High Dragon, the Broodmother, Branka, or even a friggin' Revenant, were harder.



Of course, it was nice to finally free the land from the menace that had plagued it. ;-) But I did find myself wondering if this anti-climax was supposed to mean something, to give us some sort of clue about the nature of the old gods and archdemons...

[Ulrik the Slayer]

Firkraag>The Arch-Demon.

[greenmky]

Estelindis wrote...

I found the archdemon extremely easy too. Killed it on the first attempt, no reloading needed at all. To me, fights like Cauthrien, the High Dragon, the Broodmother, Branka, or even a friggin' Revenant, were harder.

Of course, it was nice to finally free the land from the menace that had plagued it. ;-) But I did find myself wondering if this anti-climax was supposed to mean something, to give us some sort of clue about the nature of the old gods and archdemons...

Ditto

Part of the problem was the typical enemy pathfinding thing.  A lot of the enemies just stood around near the doors and did nothing while I fought the dragon or I happened to edge close enough to them.

I think I could have beaten him without any army.

[trh5001]

Saren from Mass Effect was a much lamer end boss in terms of difficulty.