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[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's a machine doing what it's programed to do. What not comprehended by organics is that organics are the source of the conflict with synthetic. The catalyst is trying to fix that by converting , changing and controling organics and synthetics. But it's casuing more conflict with organics and synthetics doing this by forcing it on organic and can't see it becauseit's blindling doing it's programing.

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

We are ask to choose because the catalyst is at the limit it can do. It can't destroy itself with the desstroy option the catalyst has and it can rewrite itself with the control option because of the limits of it's programing. It only see synthesis as an option but need Shepard to be able to do it being that Shepard is the last peice need for it to work. It has no care to how it solve th eprobelm give, just that it's solved. The catalyst has no morals. It in a loop because it can't solve the solution give because of it limits. It limits being that it can't control all organics and all organics that will come.

That's all a hypothesis of what it's up to but it sounds like a pretty sound one.

But this what's going on base on what happen with the quarians and the geth and the leviathans and the catalyst.
There is no conflict inthe series with synthetics that's source did not start with organics.

zha'til vs protheans 
heretic geth vs humans

And half points each time (since Reapers are part organic):
Reapers vs organics "more times than you can fathom" as Sovereign tells us.

[elitehunter34]

dreman9999 wrote...


But wehave the rest of the game series as evidence. Heck, it almost happened in OVERLORD.

The Catalyst only has evidence that synthetics often rebel against their creators.  It has no evidence that they all have a desire to wipe out all organic life.  

[sheppard7]

We understand it's stupid and broken logic.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

dreman9999 wrote...

But wehave the rest of the game series as evidence. Heck, it almost happened in OVERLORD.

By that rational, we should be trying to blow up Russia for the Cold War or Japan for events in World War II. We've fought with them before and it could always happen again.

Anyone who operates on such a principle is going to find themselves in trouble long before they have to worry about giant robots murdering all of us.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 11 septembre 2012 - 07:46 .

[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's a machine doing what it's programed to do. What not comprehended by organics is that organics are the source of the conflict with synthetic. The catalyst is trying to fix that by converting , changing and controling organics and synthetics. But it's casuing more conflict with organics and synthetics doing this by forcing it on organic and can't see it becauseit's blindling doing it's programing.

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

We are ask to choose because the catalyst is at the limit it can do. It can't destroy itself with the desstroy option the catalyst has and it can rewrite itself with the control option because of the limits of it's programing. It only see synthesis as an option but need Shepard to be able to do it being that Shepard is the last peice need for it to work. It has no care to how it solve th eprobelm give, just that it's solved. The catalyst has no morals. It in a loop because it can't solve the solution give because of it limits. It limits being that it can't control all organics and all organics that will come.

That's all a hypothesis of what it's up to but it sounds like a pretty sound one.

But this what's going on base on what happen with the quarians and the geth and the leviathans and the catalyst.
There is no conflict inthe series with synthetics that's source did not start with organics.

zha'til vs protheans 
heretic geth vs humans

And half points each time (since Reapers are part organic):
Reapers vs organics "more times than you can fathom" as Sovereign tells us.

Please, those cases are extentions of  Catalyst vs Leviathans.
The sourse is still based witht he leviathans as the source of conflict because it was caused by the reapers.

[dreman9999]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But wehave the rest of the game series as evidence. Heck, it almost happened in OVERLORD.

By that rational, we should be trying to blow up Russia for the Cold War or Japan for events in World War II. We've fought with them before and it could always happen again.

Anyone who operates on such a principle is going to find themselves in trouble long before they have to worry about giant robots murdering all of us.

But that is not it's point. It not saying organic need to be killed because they caused the conflict. It wants to control organics. It havest organics so that it can control them as reapers.

[dreman9999]

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


But wehave the rest of the game series as evidence. Heck, it almost happened in OVERLORD.

The Catalyst only has evidence that synthetics often rebel against their creators.  It has no evidence that they all have a desire to wipe out all organic life.  

It 's not say synthetics have a desire to kill off organics. It never says that. It say organics force Synthetics to kill organics.

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's a machine doing what it's programed to do. What not comprehended by organics is that organics are the source of the conflict with synthetic. The catalyst is trying to fix that by converting , changing and controling organics and synthetics. But it's casuing more conflict with organics and synthetics doing this by forcing it on organic and can't see it becauseit's blindling doing it's programing.

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

We are ask to choose because the catalyst is at the limit it can do. It can't destroy itself with the desstroy option the catalyst has and it can rewrite itself with the control option because of the limits of it's programing. It only see synthesis as an option but need Shepard to be able to do it being that Shepard is the last peice need for it to work. It has no care to how it solve th eprobelm give, just that it's solved. The catalyst has no morals. It in a loop because it can't solve the solution give because of it limits. It limits being that it can't control all organics and all organics that will come.

That's all a hypothesis of what it's up to but it sounds like a pretty sound one.

But this what's going on base on what happen with the quarians and the geth and the leviathans and the catalyst.
There is no conflict inthe series with synthetics that's source did not start with organics.

zha'til vs protheans 
heretic geth vs humans

And half points each time (since Reapers are part organic):
Reapers vs organics "more times than you can fathom" as Sovereign tells us.

Please, those cases are extentions of  Catalyst vs Leviathans.
The sourse is still based witht he leviathans as the source of conflict because it was caused by the reapers.

So because the synthetics never evolved naturally, they're never the cause of conflict? is that what you're saying?

[XqctaX]

D24O wrote...

F*** the Catalyst.

im with this guy. 

[N7 Lisbeth]

arial wrote...

 people always seem to go on about how the Catalyst is useing broken Logic, which he isn't.

[...snip...]
So Catalysts Logic is not broken, its just what they have always said, us Organics are incapable of understanding it.

[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's a machine doing what it's programed to do. What not comprehended by organics is that organics are the source of the conflict with synthetic. The catalyst is trying to fix that by converting , changing and controling organics and synthetics. But it's casuing more conflict with organics and synthetics doing this by forcing it on organic and can't see it becauseit's blindling doing it's programing.

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

We are ask to choose because the catalyst is at the limit it can do. It can't destroy itself with the desstroy option the catalyst has and it can rewrite itself with the control option because of the limits of it's programing. It only see synthesis as an option but need Shepard to be able to do it being that Shepard is the last peice need for it to work. It has no care to how it solve th eprobelm give, just that it's solved. The catalyst has no morals. It in a loop because it can't solve the solution give because of it limits. It limits being that it can't control all organics and all organics that will come.

That's all a hypothesis of what it's up to but it sounds like a pretty sound one.

But this what's going on base on what happen with the quarians and the geth and the leviathans and the catalyst.
There is no conflict inthe series with synthetics that's source did not start with organics.

zha'til vs protheans 
heretic geth vs humans

And half points each time (since Reapers are part organic):
Reapers vs organics "more times than you can fathom" as Sovereign tells us.

Please, those cases are extentions of  Catalyst vs Leviathans.
The sourse is still based witht he leviathans as the source of conflict because it was caused by the reapers.

So because the synthetics never evolved naturally, they're never the cause of conflict? is that what you're saying?

No. Synthetics are always made to be tools. Because of this they are never given the drive to seek conflict on ther own. They are natually collaberative and will do what they are programed to do. The program always comes from organics. If they are made to think advancely, it's it because of programing by organics. But intellegent machines, AI's do there programing as they see fit. They are made to be automative in advance thinking. If any action it does leads to attacking organics, it's because of it programing which is from organics.
Organic are always the sorce of all conflict with synthetics because of this because we makether programing and force them to do their programing.

[blueumi]

he is badly wirtten and came out of no where bioware did not earn such a messed up lame ending and the complaints are justified

[dreman9999]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

arial wrote...

 people always seem to go on about how the Catalyst is useing broken Logic, which he isn't.

[...snip...]
So Catalysts Logic is not broken, its just what they have always said, us Organics are incapable of understanding it.

Here's your problem withyourpoint....The reapers are perseving organics and synthetics to stop ether side form being killed of and forcing them to work as on as  reapers under it's control. It's no killing organics to stop them from being killing synthetics.
It's perserving organic and synthetic to impose sigularity.

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:31 .

[dreman9999]

blueumi wrote...

he is badly wirtten and came out of no where bioware did not earn such a messed up lame ending and the complaints are justified

It's a machine doing what it's programed to do. What not comprehended by organics is that organics are the source of the conflict with synthetic. The catalyst is trying to fix that by converting , changing and controling organics and synthetics. But it's casuing more conflict with organics and synthetics doing this by forcing it on organic and can't see it becauseit's blindling doing it's programing.

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

We are ask to choose because the catalyst is at the limit it can do. It can't destroy itself with the desstroy option the catalyst has and it can rewrite itself with the control option because of the limits of it's programing. It only see synthesis as an option but need Shepard to be able to do it being that Shepard is the last peice need for it to work. It has no care to how it solve th eprobelm give, just that it's solved. The catalyst has no morals. It in a loop because it can't solve the solution give because of it limits. It limits being that it can't control all organics and all organics that will come.

[N7 Lisbeth]

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

arial wrote...

 people always seem to go on about how the Catalyst is useing broken Logic, which he isn't.

[...snip...]
So Catalysts Logic is not broken, its just what they have always said, us Organics are incapable of understanding it.

Here your problem....The reapers are perseving organics and synthetics to stop ether side form being killed of and forcing them to work as on as a reaperunder it's control. It's no killing organics to stop them from being killing synthetics.
It perserving organci and snthetic to impose sigularity.

So, the reapers are just preserving us? Those lasers are really preservation lasers! Except they disintegrate people, and the reapers kill all intelligent organic life or indoctrinate them and use them to help extinguish all intelligent organic life.

Your facts, they are wrong.

Troll harder, please.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:34 .

[D24O]

Tha Catalyst has a pretty s***tily programmed definition of "preservation".

Modifié par D24O, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:35 .

[dreman9999]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

arial wrote...

 people always seem to go on about how the Catalyst is useing broken Logic, which he isn't.

[...snip...]
So Catalysts Logic is not broken, its just what they have always said, us Organics are incapable of understanding it.

Here your problem....The reapers are perseving organics and synthetics to stop ether side form being killed of and forcing them to work as on as a reaperunder it's control. It's no killing organics to stop them from being killing synthetics.
It perserving organci and snthetic to impose sigularity.

So, the reapers are just preserving us? Those lasers are really preservation lasers! Except they disintegrate people, and the reapers kill all intelligent organic life or indoctrinate them and use them to help extinguish all intelligent organic life.

Your facts, they are wrong.

Troll harder, please.

it's called means to an end. Remeber the reaper attack our militaries to weak us so the can capture us. The reaper have way more effetic ways to kill us then they invading us. The goal is to persere organics not kill them off. If it kill some  organics during the act of persering than it just a means to an end.
 It perserving life as an abstract not the indivisuals. The only thing the reaper truely kill off is indivisuality.

[dreman9999]

D24O wrote...

Tha Catalyst has a pretty s***tily programmed definition of "preservation".

The defination of life is so broad that it can be said that what the catalystis doig is perserving life. It has a different defination of life.

[N7 Lisbeth]

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

arial wrote...

 people always seem to go on about how the Catalyst is useing broken Logic, which he isn't.

[...snip...]
So Catalysts Logic is not broken, its just what they have always said, us Organics are incapable of understanding it.

Here your problem....The reapers are perseving organics and synthetics to stop ether side form being killed of and forcing them to work as on as a reaperunder it's control. It's no killing organics to stop them from being killing synthetics.
It perserving organci and snthetic to impose sigularity.

So, the reapers are just preserving us? Those lasers are really preservation lasers! Except they disintegrate people, and the reapers kill all intelligent organic life or indoctrinate them and use them to help extinguish all intelligent organic life.

Your facts, they are wrong.

Troll harder, please.

it's called means to an end.

Actually, it's definitively called broken logic.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[dreman9999]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

arial wrote...

 people always seem to go on about how the Catalyst is useing broken Logic, which he isn't.

[...snip...]
So Catalysts Logic is not broken, its just what they have always said, us Organics are incapable of understanding it.

Here your problem....The reapers are perseving organics and synthetics to stop ether side form being killed of and forcing them to work as on as a reaperunder it's control. It's no killing organics to stop them from being killing synthetics.
It perserving organci and snthetic to impose sigularity.

So, the reapers are just preserving us? Those lasers are really preservation lasers! Except they disintegrate people, and the reapers kill all intelligent organic life or indoctrinate them and use them to help extinguish all intelligent organic life.

Your facts, they are wrong.

Troll harder, please.

it's called means to an end.

Actually, it's called broken logic.

A mindset you clearly do not possess.

No , it's call a machine doing what it's programed to do. You defiantion of perserve and life is diffeerent then what the catalsyt defination is.
You can't say it's logic is broken because it's defiantion is not yours.

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race, it does not care that indivisuals die to do that. It's called means to an end.

[N7 Lisbeth]

dreman9999 wrote...

No , it's call a machine doing what it's programed to do. You defiantion of perserve and life is diffeerent then what the catalsyt defination is.
You can't say it's logic is broken because it's defiantion is not yours.

Actually, I can.

Logic [loj-ik]
noun
Reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move.

If it cannot be followed, it is not logical. Your words, you do not understand them.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:48 .

[dreman9999]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No , it's call a machine doing what it's programed to do. You defiantion of perserve and life is diffeerent then what the catalsyt defination is.
You can't say it's logic is broken because it's defiantion is not yours.

Actually, I can.

Logic [loj-ik]
noun
Reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move.

If it cannot be followed, it is not logical. Your words, you do not understand them.

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

[N7 Lisbeth]

dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

I've got a better one for you.

dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's a machine doing what it's programed to do. What not comprehended by organics is that organics are the source of the conflict with synthetic. The catalyst is trying to fix that by converting , changing and controling organics and synthetics. But it's casuing more conflict with organics and synthetics doing this by forcing it on organic and can't see it becauseit's blindling doing it's programing.

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

We are ask to choose because the catalyst is at the limit it can do. It can't destroy itself with the desstroy option the catalyst has and it can rewrite itself with the control option because of the limits of it's programing. It only see synthesis as an option but need Shepard to be able to do it being that Shepard is the last peice need for it to work. It has no care to how it solve th eprobelm give, just that it's solved. The catalyst has no morals. It in a loop because it can't solve the solution give because of it limits. It limits being that it can't control all organics and all organics that will come.

That's all a hypothesis of what it's up to but it sounds like a pretty sound one.

But this what's going on base on what happen with the quarians and the geth and the leviathans and the catalyst.
There is no conflict inthe series with synthetics that's source did not start with organics.

zha'til vs protheans 
heretic geth vs humans

And half points each time (since Reapers are part organic):
Reapers vs organics "more times than you can fathom" as Sovereign tells us.

Please, those cases are extentions of  Catalyst vs Leviathans.
The sourse is still based witht he leviathans as the source of conflict because it was caused by the reapers.

So because the synthetics never evolved naturally, they're never the cause of conflict? is that what you're saying?

No. Synthetics are always made to be tools. Because of this they are never given the drive to seek conflict on ther own. They are natually collaberative and will do what they are programed to do. The program always comes from organics. If they are made to think advancely, it's it because of programing by organics. But intellegent machines, AI's do there programing as they see fit. They are made to be automative in advance thinking. If any action it does leads to attacking organics, it's because of it programing which is from organics.
Organic are always the sorce of all conflict with synthetics because of this because we makether programing and force them to do their programing.

When the Quarians tried to shut the Geth down before the Morning War, some Geth complied, others resisted? What was the difference in their programming?

[elitehunter34]

dreman9999 wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


But wehave the rest of the game series as evidence. Heck, it almost happened in OVERLORD.

The Catalyst only has evidence that synthetics often rebel against their creators.  It has no evidence that they all have a desire to wipe out all organic life.  

It 's not say synthetics have a desire to kill off organics. It never says that. It say organics force Synthetics to kill organics.

"Without us to stop it synthetics will destroy all organics."  It says so right there.  I'm directly quoting the Catalyst