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[dreman9999]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

I've got a better one for you.

dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.

[N7 Lisbeth]

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

I've got a better one for you.

dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.

My responce to the entirety of your replies thus far and anything you will post in the future in this thread.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:00 .

[dreman9999]

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


But wehave the rest of the game series as evidence. Heck, it almost happened in OVERLORD.

The Catalyst only has evidence that synthetics often rebel against their creators.  It has no evidence that they all have a desire to wipe out all organic life.  

It 's not say synthetics have a desire to kill off organics. It never says that. It say organics force Synthetics to kill organics.

"Without us to stop it synthetics will destroy all organics."  It says so right there.  I'm directly quoting the Catalyst

And then afet thathe explaine why that happens. Tech advances, gain sentiance and the organic get in conflit with it trying to control it. Look at the series. Point to one conflict with organcis and synthrtic that was not caused by organics?

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:00 .

[dreman9999]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

I've got a better one for you.

dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.

My responce to the entirety of your replies thus far and anything you will post in the future in this thread.

AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:03 .

[N7 Lisbeth]

dreman9999 wrote...

AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

How is killing off whole races seen as killing a few individuals?

I think you have our positions reversed. You're the one not listening to sense.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:08 .

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

I've got a better one for you.

dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.

My responce to the entirety of your replies thus far and anything you will post in the future in this thread.

AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

when you kill off all the individuals of that race.

Were the Reapers preserving the Krogan when they were poisoning Tuchanka?
Were the Reapers preserving the Quarians when they were helping the Geth blow them up?
Were the Reapers preserving the Asari and Salarians when they had the Rachni attack?
Just because they were stopped, doesn't mean they're not guilty.

Modifié par KingZayd, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:12 .

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

Who is "we"?

You? Shepard? Everyone in the ME universe? the players?

... Mac Walters?

[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's a machine doing what it's programed to do. What not comprehended by organics is that organics are the source of the conflict with synthetic. The catalyst is trying to fix that by converting , changing and controling organics and synthetics. But it's casuing more conflict with organics and synthetics doing this by forcing it on organic and can't see it becauseit's blindling doing it's programing.

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

We are ask to choose because the catalyst is at the limit it can do. It can't destroy itself with the desstroy option the catalyst has and it can rewrite itself with the control option because of the limits of it's programing. It only see synthesis as an option but need Shepard to be able to do it being that Shepard is the last peice need for it to work. It has no care to how it solve th eprobelm give, just that it's solved. The catalyst has no morals. It in a loop because it can't solve the solution give because of it limits. It limits being that it can't control all organics and all organics that will come.

That's all a hypothesis of what it's up to but it sounds like a pretty sound one.

But this what's going on base on what happen with the quarians and the geth and the leviathans and the catalyst.
There is no conflict inthe series with synthetics that's source did not start with organics.

zha'til vs protheans 
heretic geth vs humans

And half points each time (since Reapers are part organic):
Reapers vs organics "more times than you can fathom" as Sovereign tells us.

Please, those cases are extentions of  Catalyst vs Leviathans.
The sourse is still based witht he leviathans as the source of conflict because it was caused by the reapers.

So because the synthetics never evolved naturally, they're never the cause of conflict? is that what you're saying?

No. Synthetics are always made to be tools. Because of this they are never given the drive to seek conflict on ther own. They are natually collaberative and will do what they are programed to do. The program always comes from organics. If they are made to think advancely, it's it because of programing by organics. But intellegent machines, AI's do there programing as they see fit. They are made to be automative in advance thinking. If any action it does leads to attacking organics, it's because of it programing which is from organics.
Organic are always the sorce of all conflict with synthetics because of this because we makether programing and force them to do their programing.

When the Quarians tried to shut the Geth down before the Morning War, some Geth complied, others resisted? What was the difference in their programming?

For one the geth were never shackled AI's. They stated out as vi's and only were limited by their thinking capacity.
The act of fighting back was based of a result of self. Even then, it still fought back because it and it's race was was attacked first.
Geth can write there own programing because they never had a limit out side of intelligence.

[mauro2222]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@OP:
The Catalyst's logic makes sense, and it is not incomprehensible. People here are just grasping at straws, they find it impossible that something that killed and Reaperized countless organics actually has an understandable (if not agreeable) reason to do that.

Basically, 95% of all anti-Catalyst arguments come down to "There cannot be what must not be".

For a detailed analysis of the Catalyst's logic, see Why the Catalyst's logic is right II by JShepppp.

Mother Earth...

And I share oxygen with this kind of people?

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

Who is "we"?

You? Shepard? Everyone in the ME universe? the players?

... Mac Walters?

So your say you see the souce of te conflictof organics is  organics?

[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

I've got a better one for you.

dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.

My responce to the entirety of your replies thus far and anything you will post in the future in this thread.

AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

when you kill off all the individuals of that race.

Were the Reapers preserving the Krogan when they were poisoning Tuchanka?
Were the Reapers preserving the Quarians when they were helping the Geth blow them up?
Were the Reapers preserving the Asari and Salarians when they had the Rachni attack?
Just because they were stopped, doesn't mean they're not guilty.

1.That would just weaken the krogans and make them esay to harvest.
2.The quarians attacked first.
3.That was the leviathans...
http://social.biowar...ndex/13887662/1

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:20 .

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

Who is "we"?

You? Shepard? Everyone in the ME universe? the players?

... Mac Walters?

So your say you see the souce of te conflictof organics is  organics?

It was pretty clear with the Luna accident and the geth. Though, the main problem here is the Catalyst's intervention with unprepared species. Mass Effect tech is too advanced for idiots like us.

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

I've got a better one for you.

dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.

My responce to the entirety of your replies thus far and anything you will post in the future in this thread.

AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

when you kill off all the individuals of that race.

Were the Reapers preserving the Krogan when they were poisoning Tuchanka?
Were the Reapers preserving the Quarians when they were helping the Geth blow them up?
Were the Reapers preserving the Asari and Salarians when they had the Rachni attack?
Just because they were stopped, doesn't mean they're not guilty.

1.That would just weaken the krogans and make them esay to harvest.
2.The quarians attacked first.
3.That was the leviathans...
http://social.biowar...ndex/13887662/1

1. They didn't need to poison the other homeworlds.. why Tuchanka?
2. The Quarians attacked the Geth first. Why help the Geth wipe out the Quarians? Why not "preserve" both, like they "preserve" everything else?
3. Seriously? Did they give a reason for the Leviathans to be attacking the Citadel? Why didn't they attack themselves? I assume the Leviathans would be more technologically advanced?

[dreman9999]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

How is killing off whole races seen as killing a few individuals?

I think you have our positions reversed. You're the one not listening to sense.

 "How is killing off whole races seen as killing a few individuals? "
Thatis not what I asked.
And you statement makes no point at all.
The reapers invade and then start killing droves of people, then it stops and starts capturing and and holding the servivors as seen in many worlds in ME....Did they kill of the race or just indivisuals of the race?

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:31 .

[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

I've got a better one for you.

dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.

My responce to the entirety of your replies thus far and anything you will post in the future in this thread.

AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

when you kill off all the individuals of that race.

Were the Reapers preserving the Krogan when they were poisoning Tuchanka?
Were the Reapers preserving the Quarians when they were helping the Geth blow them up?
Were the Reapers preserving the Asari and Salarians when they had the Rachni attack?
Just because they were stopped, doesn't mean they're not guilty.

1.That would just weaken the krogans and make them esay to harvest.
2.The quarians attacked first.
3.That was the leviathans...
http://social.biowar...ndex/13887662/1

1. They didn't need to poison the other homeworlds.. why Tuchanka?
2. The Quarians attacked the Geth first. Why help the Geth wipe out the Quarians? Why not "preserve" both, like they "preserve" everything else?
3. Seriously? Did they give a reason for the Leviathans to be attacking the Citadel? Why didn't they attack themselves? I assume the Leviathans would be more technologically advanced?

1. Krogan are the toughest ground war race in the galexy. Weakening them furst is a goo tactical idea and they had the means to do it with what the salarians had there. Other place did not have anything like the divice thatit  on tuchacka.
2.But they didn't. All they did was try to ensure that the geth servived. It's the quarians attack the forced the reaper to use the geth that extremely so they can save the geth.

3.Leviathan have a vast limit in what they can do because of lack of numbers. They are dependet on their slaves to do the work and the fighting. Why do you think they wanted to inslave Shepard the second Shepard met them?

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

Who is "we"?

You? Shepard? Everyone in the ME universe? the players?

... Mac Walters?

So your say you see the souce of te conflictof organics is  organics?

It was pretty clear with the Luna accident and the geth. Though, the main problem here is the Catalyst's intervention with unprepared species. Mass Effect tech is too advanced for idiots like us.

But it's only doing this because of it's programing. Programing that was done by the Leviathans. Every crime the catalyst did is because the Leviathans programing forced it to.

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

Who is "we"?

You? Shepard? Everyone in the ME universe? the players?

... Mac Walters?

So your say you see the souce of te conflictof organics is  organics?

It was pretty clear with the Luna accident and the geth. Though, the main problem here is the Catalyst's intervention with unprepared species. Mass Effect tech is too advanced for idiots like us.

But it's only doing this because of it's programing. Programing that was done by the Leviathans. Every crime the catalyst did is because the Leviathans programing forced it to.

I'm not discussing that, dreman. I know why the kid does what it does.

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's a machine doing what it's programed to do. What not comprehended by organics is that organics are the source of the conflict with synthetic. The catalyst is trying to fix that by converting , changing and controling organics and synthetics. But it's casuing more conflict with organics and synthetics doing this by forcing it on organic and can't see it becauseit's blindling doing it's programing.

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

We are ask to choose because the catalyst is at the limit it can do. It can't destroy itself with the desstroy option the catalyst has and it can rewrite itself with the control option because of the limits of it's programing. It only see synthesis as an option but need Shepard to be able to do it being that Shepard is the last peice need for it to work. It has no care to how it solve th eprobelm give, just that it's solved. The catalyst has no morals. It in a loop because it can't solve the solution give because of it limits. It limits being that it can't control all organics and all organics that will come.

That's all a hypothesis of what it's up to but it sounds like a pretty sound one.

But this what's going on base on what happen with the quarians and the geth and the leviathans and the catalyst.
There is no conflict inthe series with synthetics that's source did not start with organics.

zha'til vs protheans 
heretic geth vs humans

And half points each time (since Reapers are part organic):
Reapers vs organics "more times than you can fathom" as Sovereign tells us.

Please, those cases are extentions of  Catalyst vs Leviathans.
The sourse is still based witht he leviathans as the source of conflict because it was caused by the reapers.

So because the synthetics never evolved naturally, they're never the cause of conflict? is that what you're saying?

No. Synthetics are always made to be tools. Because of this they are never given the drive to seek conflict on ther own. They are natually collaberative and will do what they are programed to do. The program always comes from organics. If they are made to think advancely, it's it because of programing by organics. But intellegent machines, AI's do there programing as they see fit. They are made to be automative in advance thinking. If any action it does leads to attacking organics, it's because of it programing which is from organics.
Organic are always the sorce of all conflict with synthetics because of this because we makether programing and force them to do their programing.

When the Quarians tried to shut the Geth down before the Morning War, some Geth complied, others resisted? What was the difference in their programming?

For one the geth were never shackled AI's. They stated out as vi's and only were limited by their thinking capacity.
The act of fighting back was based of a result of self. Even then, it still fought back because it and it's race was was attacked first.
Geth can write there own programing because they never had a limit out side of intelligence.

VIs aren't limited by their thinking capacity. They don't really think. AI's think. Shackled AI's are AI's who have limited access to their code and hardware. If the Geth were VI's then they couldn't think. They'd only be following their programming. The Geth are AI's.

No VI would wipe out organic life, unless it was programmed to do so. A shackled AI would be very unlikely to wipe out all organic life unless it's core programming forced it to (either deliberately, or out of stupidity). An unshackled AI wiping out organic life would be wiping out organic life because of it's own decisions, so not intrinsically because of Organics.

[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

I've got a better one for you.

dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.

My responce to the entirety of your replies thus far and anything you will post in the future in this thread.

AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

when you kill off all the individuals of that race.

Were the Reapers preserving the Krogan when they were poisoning Tuchanka?
Were the Reapers preserving the Quarians when they were helping the Geth blow them up?
Were the Reapers preserving the Asari and Salarians when they had the Rachni attack?
Just because they were stopped, doesn't mean they're not guilty.

1.That would just weaken the krogans and make them esay to harvest.
2.The quarians attacked first.
3.That was the leviathans...
http://social.biowar...ndex/13887662/1

1. They didn't need to poison the other homeworlds.. why Tuchanka?
2. The Quarians attacked the Geth first. Why help the Geth wipe out the Quarians? Why not "preserve" both, like they "preserve" everything else?
3. Seriously? Did they give a reason for the Leviathans to be attacking the Citadel? Why didn't they attack themselves? I assume the Leviathans would be more technologically advanced?

1. Krogan are the toughest ground war race in the galexy. Weakening them furst is a goo tactical idea and they had the means to do it with what the salarians had there. Other place did not have anything like the divice thatit  on tuchacka.
2.But they didn't. All they did was try to ensure that the geth servived. It's the quarians attack the forced the reaper to use the geth that extremely so they can save the geth.

3.Leviathan have a vast limit in what they can do because of lack of numbers. They are dependet on their slaves to do the work and the fighting. Why do you think they wanted to inslave Shepard the second Shepard met them?

1. The Krogans are biologically the toughest in that sense, but their limited numbers and tech mean they are not the toughest ground war race at all, which is why only one Reaper was sent to deal with them.
2. The Reapers could have just "preserved" both races. They chose to let the Quarians die out completely. Not really sticking with the preservation of races thing here.

3. I don't know much about the Leviathans because I didn't buy the DLC. This is why I'm asking you about it. Can't the Leviathan increase their numbers? They've been around for a while. Why did they want to attack the Asari and Salarians?

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

In short, We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/syntheticconflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse.

Who is "we"?

You? Shepard? Everyone in the ME universe? the players?

... Mac Walters?

So your say you see the souce of te conflictof organics is  organics?

It was pretty clear with the Luna accident and the geth. Though, the main problem here is the Catalyst's intervention with unprepared species. Mass Effect tech is too advanced for idiots like us.

But it's only doing this because of it's programing. Programing that was done by the Leviathans. Every crime the catalyst did is because the Leviathans programing forced it to.

I'm not discussing that, dreman. I know why the kid does what it does.

But that's my point. That's what I mean by..
"
We can't comprehend we are the source of the organic/synthetic conflict and the catalyst can't comprehend that it's making it worse."

I not here saying the catalyst is good and sinless. My point is that it is using logic  it is limited to. Any one that says the catalsyt is not using logic is not getting that it looking at the universe with blinders on.
It has a crippling limit it can't see. But it not it's fault...It how it was programed.

[dreman9999]

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]N7 Lisbeth wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]N7 Lisbeth wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

[/quote]

I've got a better one for you.

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,[/quote]

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

[/quote]I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.
[/quote]

My responce to the entirety of your replies thus far and anything you will post in the future in this thread.

[/quote]AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

[/quote]

when you kill off all the individuals of that race.

Were the Reapers preserving the Krogan when they were poisoning Tuchanka?
Were the Reapers preserving the Quarians when they were helping the Geth blow them up?
Were the Reapers preserving the Asari and Salarians when they had the Rachni attack?
Just because they were stopped, doesn't mean they're not guilty.

[/quote]
1.That would just weaken the krogans and make them esay to harvest.
2.The quarians attacked first.
3.That was the leviathans...
http://social.biowar...ndex/13887662/1[/quote]

1. They didn't need to poison the other homeworlds.. why Tuchanka?
2. The Quarians attacked the Geth first. Why help the Geth wipe out the Quarians? Why not "preserve" both, like they "preserve" everything else?
3. Seriously? Did they give a reason for the Leviathans to be attacking the Citadel? Why didn't they attack themselves? I assume the Leviathans would be more technologically advanced?

[/quote]1. Krogan are the toughest ground war race in the galexy. Weakening them furst is a goo tactical idea and they had the means to do it with what the salarians had there. Other place did not have anything like the divice thatit  on tuchacka.
2.But they didn't. All they did was try to ensure that the geth servived. It's the quarians attack the forced the reaper to use the geth that extremely so they can save the geth.

3.Leviathan have a vast limit in what they can do because of lack of numbers. They are dependet on their slaves to do the work and the fighting. Why do you think they wanted to inslave Shepard the second Shepard met them?

[/quote]

1. The Krogans are biologically the toughest in that sense, but their limited numbers and tech mean they are not the toughest ground war race at all, which is why only one Reaper was sent to deal with them.
2. The Reapers could have just "preserved" both races. They chose to let the Quarians die out completely. Not really sticking with the preservation of races thing here.

3. I don't know much about the Leviathans because I didn't buy the DLC. This is why I'm asking you about it. Can't the Leviathan increase their numbers? They've been around for a while. Why did they want to attack the Asari and Salarians?
[/quote]1.Their the toughest ground war race because they are the hardest to track down and hold down. Race that are low tech are harder for the reapers to fight because they are hard to predict and find.  A mass invasion of reapers on tuchanka would be like a person trying to kill off ant nest  with a pistol. Havign a way to get them all with the least seaking is the best way to control the krogan. Remeber, the reaper always use tactics first before force.

2.The quarians dieing had nothing to do with the reapers. In fact when the quarians die off, it's a result of the choice the geth make when they are free of the reapers and the quarians attacking agein. he geth under reaper control would hve just weaken the quarian so they can be havested.
3.The leviathan us domination to control slave. The are arragant slaver who think they are better than other races. They not that much left of them but they can be ahazerd if left on ther own after the war. The arethe creators of the catalyst. They call themselves the first race.

[dreman9999]

KingZayd wrote...



VIs aren't limited by their thinking capacity. They don't really think. AI's think. Shackled AI's are AI's who have limited access to their code and hardware. If the Geth were VI's then they couldn't think. They'd only be following their programming. The Geth are AI's.

No VI would wipe out organic life, unless it was programmed to do so. A shackled AI would be very unlikely to wipe out all organic life unless it's core programming forced it to (either deliberately, or out of stupidity). An unshackled AI wiping out organic life would be wiping out organic life because of it's own decisions, so not intrinsically because of Organics.

The fact that they don't think means there thinking capacity is limited. Remeber, when to take to Tali in ME1, she says the geth are not true AI's but intardependent vi's. The became like AI when they join together.

Both unshackled AI's and shackle AI can kill off an  organic race. The differance is why. A shackled AI would do it because of it's programing. An unshackled AI would do it out of self defence.
 Both cases still lead to orgainic asthe soruce of conflict.

Organic programed the shackled AI that killed of a race and orangics attacking the unshackled AI forced it to kill to servive.

[KingZayd]

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How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

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I've got a better one for you.

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Understand this, it only wants to perserve organics as a race,[/quote]

How are organics a race?

Again, your words, you do not understand them. Submit to sterilisation immediately.

[/quote]I mean different organic races. Please, stop with the straw grabing.
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My responce to the entirety of your replies thus far and anything you will post in the future in this thread.

[/quote]AKA, your too stubborn to listen.
I'll ask agein. How is killing indivisuals killing off a race?

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when you kill off all the individuals of that race.

Were the Reapers preserving the Krogan when they were poisoning Tuchanka?
Were the Reapers preserving the Quarians when they were helping the Geth blow them up?
Were the Reapers preserving the Asari and Salarians when they had the Rachni attack?
Just because they were stopped, doesn't mean they're not guilty.

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1.That would just weaken the krogans and make them esay to harvest.
2.The quarians attacked first.
3.That was the leviathans...
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1. They didn't need to poison the other homeworlds.. why Tuchanka?
2. The Quarians attacked the Geth first. Why help the Geth wipe out the Quarians? Why not "preserve" both, like they "preserve" everything else?
3. Seriously? Did they give a reason for the Leviathans to be attacking the Citadel? Why didn't they attack themselves? I assume the Leviathans would be more technologically advanced?

[/quote]1. Krogan are the toughest ground war race in the galexy. Weakening them furst is a goo tactical idea and they had the means to do it with what the salarians had there. Other place did not have anything like the divice thatit  on tuchacka.
2.But they didn't. All they did was try to ensure that the geth servived. It's the quarians attack the forced the reaper to use the geth that extremely so they can save the geth.

3.Leviathan have a vast limit in what they can do because of lack of numbers. They are dependet on their slaves to do the work and the fighting. Why do you think they wanted to inslave Shepard the second Shepard met them?

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1. The Krogans are biologically the toughest in that sense, but their limited numbers and tech mean they are not the toughest ground war race at all, which is why only one Reaper was sent to deal with them.
2. The Reapers could have just "preserved" both races. They chose to let the Quarians die out completely. Not really sticking with the preservation of races thing here.

3. I don't know much about the Leviathans because I didn't buy the DLC. This is why I'm asking you about it. Can't the Leviathan increase their numbers? They've been around for a while. Why did they want to attack the Asari and Salarians?
[/quote]1.Their the toughest ground war race because they are the hardest to track down and hold down. Race that are low tech are harder for the reapers to fight because they are hard to predict and find.  A mass invasion of reapers on tuchanka would be like a person trying to kill off ant nest  with a pistol. Havign a way to get them all with the least seaking is the best way to control the krogan. Remeber, the reaper always use tactics first before force.

2.The quarians dieing had nothing to do with the reapers. In fact when the quarians die off, it's a result of the choice the geth make when they are free of the reapers and the quarians attacking agein. he geth under reaper control would hve just weaken the quarian so they can be havested.
3.The leviathan us domination to control slave. The are arragant slaver who think they are better than other races. They not that much left of them but they can be ahazerd if left on ther own after the war. The arethe creators of the catalyst. They call themselves the first race.

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1. How are they the hardest to track down and hold down? It wouldn't be that difficult to get them on Tuchanka. Especially not with their mindset that makes them less likely to run away.

2. The reason Shepard ends up there is BECAUSE the Geth are beating the Quarians. And they are beating them by blowing them up. The Reapers are involved in this, because they are helping the Geth and controlling them. The Reapers could have preserved the Quarians AND the Geth if they really wanted to. Clearly they didn;t.

3. Are the Reapers a threat to the Leviathan?

[elitehunter34]

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And then afet thathe explaine why that happens. Tech advances, gain sentiance and the organic get in conflit with it trying to control it. Look at the series. Point to one conflict with organcis and synthrtic that was not caused by organics?

One, the Catalyst never says that organics cause it (it only says that organics are part of the problem, not the cause) and two, again, this does not apply to what I'm saying.  I'm saying the Cataylst does not explain why a rebellion by synthetics will lead to the synthetics desire to wipe out all organic life.

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[KingZayd]

dreman9999 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...



VIs aren't limited by their thinking capacity. They don't really think. AI's think. Shackled AI's are AI's who have limited access to their code and hardware. If the Geth were VI's then they couldn't think. They'd only be following their programming. The Geth are AI's.

No VI would wipe out organic life, unless it was programmed to do so. A shackled AI would be very unlikely to wipe out all organic life unless it's core programming forced it to (either deliberately, or out of stupidity). An unshackled AI wiping out organic life would be wiping out organic life because of it's own decisions, so not intrinsically because of Organics.

The fact that they don't think means there thinking capacity is limited. Remeber, when to take to Tali in ME1, she says the geth are not true AI's but intardependent vi's. The became like AI when they join together.

Both unshackled AI's and shackle AI can kill off an  organic race. The differance is why. A shackled AI would do it because of it's programing. An unshackled AI would do it out of self defence.
 Both cases still lead to orgainic asthe soruce of conflict.

Organic programed the shackled AI that killed of a race and orangics attacking the unshackled AI forced it to kill to servive.

Tali isn't an objective witness. She thinks of them as VIs because she prefers to think of them as VIs. My point was that VIs aren't just limited  in their capacity to think, they simply can't.

for the shackled AI i agree, but not all the organic races, unless the programming was made that way by some entity that either:
A) wanted all organic races destroyed.
made an improbably stupid programming error

It's not certain that organics would attack the unshackled AI. It's more likely that the Unshackled AI attacks first, mainly due to the fact that it would likely win (unless it's new and weak)

Modifié par KingZayd, 11 septembre 2012 - 10:12 .