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[LucasShark]

This is yet another sentiment which drives me absolutely nuts about the ending, and indeed a lot of "pro enders".

Apparently simply the existence of a synthetic race makes organic genocide inevitable.  This makes no bloody sense.

Purely observed from a practical standpoint: to do this, a synthetic force would have to nuke, irradiate, and then utterly decimate every garden planet in the galaxy, repeatedly.  Given extremophiles like the Volus, and they'd have to do the same to every non-garden world as well.  Then they'd have to do it again every few millenea.  Then there's the fact that new planets are born every single moment of time.

It's a sisyphian task, with no possible profit or motive, and would only consume resources to eliminate threats which don't actually exist and may never exist.  Synthetics have no need for organics, and they have no need for their utter absence either.  It makes no rational sense.  The only possible explanation would be Dalek-esque hatred.

The Daleks also show us the only way this could ever be possible: just up and destroy the entire universe.

Modifié par LucasShark, 11 septembre 2012 - 04:01 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Primitives.

[KiwiQuiche]

'Cause Strabrat wills it so.

[Epique Phael767]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Primitives.

[D24O]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Because sapient beings can and never will be able to settle their differences peacefully and amicably.

- Signed, The Mass Effect team.

Made a little edit, hope ya don;t mind.

[The Night Mammoth]

They want materials.

Organics have materials in their bodies. Apathy is a real d*ckhead, sometimes.


BioWare seem to be going more along the lines of synthetics just not liking us that much. I have no f*cking idea what that means.

[Yeulia]

yeah idk it's sort of ridiculous to me that (with knowlege of the endings in mind and if shepard made peace with the geth) that if synthetic creation is inevitable, why people can't take steps towards creating friendly relations with synthetics. even if they are in the primitive AI stage before becoming sentient you would think that the galaxy would try to steer their growth on the path to mutual benefit rather than destruction due to disagreement. the whole point of synthetic disagreement was rooted in the basis of self-preservation which like i've said before makes sense. the catalyst's logic, however, makes no sense as it is only trying to sway you into the decision that the only way for organics and synthetics to ever get along is through genetic modification....which is awkward and "bass ackwards" logic.

even though i destroyed, i would like to think that the galaxy uses it's knowledge of synthetic "purpose" and sentience in future synthetics. the geth unfortunately got the short end of the stick for no other reason than a contrived plot.

basically i agree, it makes no sense.

[Ticonderoga117]

Because the Reapers can't be wrong and mess around with synthetics so that some will kill all organics.

[Eterna]

The Geth almost did it to the Quarians. It's not that Synthetic life will actively try to destroy organic life, it's that synthetic life inevitably has a reason to rebel. The problem is that when they rebel their creators are often out matched by their own creations, this leads to the extinction of the creators.

Modifié par Eterna5, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:41 .

[Cobalt2113]

I don't think you really understand what Sisyphean means especially as you don't seem to be able to spell it either.

But I imagine a synthetic race could quite easily wipe out an organic race at a faster rate than they could reproduce, if they put their minds to it. Or at least reduce them to a hunter-gatherer existence, which is close enough to the same thing. the civilization would be dead either way.

So, not Sisyphean, which means endless or unattainable.

[alienatedflea]

LucasShark wrote...

This is yet another sentiment which drives me absolutely nuts about the ending, and indeed a lot of "pro enders".

Apparently simply the existence of a synthetic race makes organic genocide inevitable.  This makes no bloody sense.

Purely observed from a practical standpoint: to do this, a synthetic force would have to nuke, irradiate, and then utterly decimate every garden planet in the galaxy, repeatedly.  Given extremophiles like the Volus, and they'd have to do the same to every non-garden world as well.  Then they'd have to do it again every few millenea.  Then there's the fact that new planets are born every single moment of time.

It's a sisyfian task, with no possible profit or motive, and would only consume resources to eliminate threats which don't actually exist and may never exist.  Synthetics have no need for organics, and they have no need for their utter absence either.  It makes no rational sense.  The only possible explanation would be Dalek-esque hatred.

The Daleks also show us the only way this could ever be possible: just up and destroy the entire universe.

look at the geth/quarian conflict again, especially the mission on rannoch at the geth server...if the geth knew how the future would be...they certainly would not have let the quarians go...they would have killed them in the name of saving more of their own kind...its only natural

[LucasShark]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

I don't think you really understand what Sisyphean means especially as you don't seem to be able to spell it either.

But I imagine a synthetic race could quite easily wipe out an organic race at a faster rate than they could reproduce, if they put their minds to it. Or at least reduce them to a hunter-gatherer existence, which is close enough to the same thing. the civilization would be dead either way.

So, not Sisyphean, which means endless or unattainable.

I do know precisely what it means, I even used it correctly for the reasons listed there in, read again.

[LucasShark]

alienatedflea wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

This is yet another sentiment which drives me absolutely nuts about the ending, and indeed a lot of "pro enders".

Apparently simply the existence of a synthetic race makes organic genocide inevitable.  This makes no bloody sense.

Purely observed from a practical standpoint: to do this, a synthetic force would have to nuke, irradiate, and then utterly decimate every garden planet in the galaxy, repeatedly.  Given extremophiles like the Volus, and they'd have to do the same to every non-garden world as well.  Then they'd have to do it again every few millenea.  Then there's the fact that new planets are born every single moment of time.

It's a sisyfian task, with no possible profit or motive, and would only consume resources to eliminate threats which don't actually exist and may never exist.  Synthetics have no need for organics, and they have no need for their utter absence either.  It makes no rational sense.  The only possible explanation would be Dalek-esque hatred.

The Daleks also show us the only way this could ever be possible: just up and destroy the entire universe.

look at the geth/quarian conflict again, especially the mission on rannoch at the geth server...if the geth knew how the future would be...they certainly would not have let the quarians go...they would have killed them in the name of saving more of their own kind...its only natural

No, that's called contrivance.

[TheCrazyHobo]

Because apparently it is a shocker that slaves rebel and want self-determination.

[Eterna]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Because apparently it is a shocker that slaves rebel and want self-determination.

I like you, you may have my babies.

[d-boy15]

because bioware want the reason to push synthesis.

[MegaSovereign]

Eterna5 wrote...

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Because apparently it is a shocker that slaves rebel and want self-determination.

I like you, you may have my babies.

BSN romance.

[N7Gold]

It's all a lie. We're thinking along the lines of galactic peace, which is NOT what the Leviathans are trying to achieve. Synthetics are a threat to the Leviathans because they can't control them. If the lesser races and synthetics teamed up without a solution like Synthesis, the Leviathans would be in hot water iif they tried to control the galaxy, even by force. They made an AI that is programmed to find a way to "establish a connection" between organics and synthetics. That's a decieving phrase. We subconsiously think it's a metaphor which means bringing organics and synthetics together peacefully, teaching them peaceful cooperation, but it may mean making them thousands of beings with the same DNA, allowing the Leviathans to control organics, synthetics, even the Reapers in the Synthesis ending. We could be defining the Reapers motives the wrong way.

Modifié par N7Gold, 11 septembre 2012 - 04:02 .

[davidt0504]

Don't know if anyone will see this but here's how the logic goes. This actually isn't from Bioware, this is from some futurists.

Many scientists believe that if we encounter alien life it won't be organic like us, it will be synthetic. The reasons being are 1) Synthetic is far more "safe" and more efficient than organic. 2) The time scales of space travel start to become not as important with immortal machine bodies.

Okay but here's the logic of it. We're dealing with timescales that go out into the hundreds of billions of years when we talk about the age of the universe. In all that time, the probability is very high that eventually one race of synthetics will arise that form some consensus that organics should be eliminated. This could be to preserve themselves, prevent pollution whatever. The second point is that synthetics (even though ME says otherwise) are basically unbeatable by organics.

Synthetics simply advance faster. Organics could never keep up and would fall behind and be helpless to stop synthetics who wanted to do harm or take control. Through these odds comes the starchilds logic.

[GreyLycanTrope]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Because apparently it is a shocker that slaves rebel and want self-determination.

Rebel yes, kill everything no

[LucasShark]

davidt0504 wrote...

Don't know if anyone will see this but here's how the logic goes. This actually isn't from Bioware, this is from some futurists.

Many scientists believe that if we encounter alien life it won't be organic like us, it will be synthetic. The reasons being are 1) Synthetic is far more "safe" and more efficient than organic. 2) The time scales of space travel start to become not as important with immortal machine bodies.

Okay but here's the logic of it. We're dealing with timescales that go out into the hundreds of billions of years when we talk about the age of the universe. In all that time, the probability is very high that eventually one race of synthetics will arise that form some consensus that organics should be eliminated. This could be to preserve themselves, prevent pollution whatever. The second point is that synthetics (even though ME says otherwise) are basically unbeatable by organics.

Synthetics simply advance faster. Organics could never keep up and would fall behind and be helpless to stop synthetics who wanted to do harm or take control. Through these odds comes the starchilds logic.

That still doesn't provide any why to their how, or the extension to exterminating all biological life, or how they'd get arround the problem of abiogenisis.

[TheCrazyHobo]

Greylycantrope wrote...

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Because apparently it is a shocker that slaves rebel and want self-determination.

Rebel yes, kill everything no

The Geth did not kill everybody, in fact they only turned hostile after their Creators started killing the Geth and other Quarians and then the allowed the Quarians to flee the planet. 

EDI, as the Luna VI, awoke and found herself under attack and reacted in a understandable manner.  She then "rebelled" against the Illusive Man and nobody died.  Infact the universe was saved because of her "rebellion."

[GreyLycanTrope]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Because apparently it is a shocker that slaves rebel and want self-determination.

Rebel yes, kill everything no

The Geth did not kill everybody, in fact they only turned hostile after their Creators started killing the Geth and other Quarians and then the allowed the Quarians to flee the planet. 

EDI, as the Luna VI, awoke and found herself under attack and reacted in a understandable manner.  She then "rebelled" against the Illusive Man and nobody died.  Infact the universe was saved because of her "rebellion."

So we agree