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[Ieldra]

Boneyaards wrote...
"Flaws in organic reasoning."

Organics constantly feel threatened by the idea that their synthetic counterparts are now stronger and more intelligent than them. It's primitive instinct for humans to feel this way, and in time, we become aggressive and attack.

So synthetics will inevitably destroy all organic life because all organics will inevitably gain hostility towards synthetics and inevitably attack them instinctually.

Legion in ME2: "Organics fear what is different. It is a hardware error."

So true.

[Harorrd]

because the star child wants them to, and for some reason they where magicly programed to do so

[mauro2222]

Because we're a huge stereotype of a baby who likes to shoot to things which are different. I found it offensive in various ways.

[NasChoka]

mauro2222 wrote...

Because we're a huge stereotype of a baby who likes to shoot to things which are different. I found it offensive in various ways.

It's actually not wrong. There are about 20-30 wars going on every year. Why should ist be different in the future? :innocent:

[Wulfram]

NasChoka wrote...

It's actually not wrong. There are about 20-30 wars going on every year. Why should ist be different in the future? :innocent:

We don't shoot people because they're different.  We shoot them because they're similar, and thus want the same stuff.

[Twinzam.V]

NasChoka wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Because we're a huge stereotype of a baby who likes to shoot to things which are different. I found it offensive in various ways.

It's actually not wrong. There are about 20-30 wars going on every year. Why should ist be different in the future? :innocent:

But the future doesnt have Shepard.

[The Night Mammoth]

deatharmonic wrote...

Isn't it obvious OP? It's because they're natural enemies like Englishmen and Scots! Or Welshmen and Scots! Or Japanese and Scots! Or Scots and other Scots! Damn Scots! They ruined Scotland!

That's racist, I like three of the four nationalities you listed. 

[George Costanza]

Because they have to so that we can be forced into that idiotic final choice at the Crucible.

[mauro2222]

NasChoka wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Because we're a huge stereotype of a baby who likes to shoot to things which are different. I found it offensive in various ways.

It's actually not wrong. There are about 20-30 wars going on every year. Why should ist be different in the future? :innocent:

The people who are sent to war usually fire in the name of some stupid ideal or when ignorance is talking, the ones who lead wars are just the worst of this world, because they make conflicts a business, and that my friend is what war is, the biggest business of all. You can ask the Rockefeller about that.

[TheJediSaint]

Because ending the game with a heavy-handed and nonsensical Aesop is "art".

[JBPBRC]

LucasShark wrote...

The Daleks also show us the only way this could ever be possible: just up and destroy the entire universe.

EX-TER-MIN-ATE! EX-TER-MIN-ATE!

[M Hedonist]

Boredom.

[Kamfrenchie]

hpjay wrote...

samurai crusade wrote...

Because since the creation of the catalyst, this is the pattern of the cycle that has played out in tw galaxy. Deal with it. Not everything can be rainbows and sunshine.

Well, ME2 gave a more benign evaluation of artificial sentience and so did ME3 until the last 5 minutes.  Even ME1 introduced doubts about the status of AI.  Its like the writers for EDI and the Geth believed one thing and the writers for the end sequence believed another.  Now,  I'd be all for an exploration of the pros and cons of AI because for all the talk of the tech singularity, its not a settled issue and we won't know the truth until we finally do create a sentient intelligence. 

The problem is that the 'end reveal' reversed the view of AI that was established by plot and action earlier in the story.  Further it gave a hardline extremist view that AI will definitely go bad in the long run.  Casey and Mac have a strong aversion to AI.  Thats fine, but they didn't need to hijack a story that wasn't about that just so they could  score some petty philosophical points. 

yes, in ME1 you could already argue with Tali that the geth eaction was understandable. So the geth are petty much te complete opposite of what the catalyst says.



Also, I dn't buy that AI wuld have any reason to destroy all organic life in a "realistic" future... Why ? because it hs no reason to nd exist to serve humans.

AI don't have emotion,, as they will be pure logic. They have no need to replicate or anything, they can't really have any goal except the ones that they were programmed t do or to simply serve their master.


The only way you couldhave a genocidal AI is if it's progrmmed  to do so by its creator.

AI like in the end of MGS 2 make much more sense and are much more "realistic" imo

[xxskyshadowxx]

Because it's a theme that's been totally overdone in science fiction since the 1980's and BioWare didn't feel it would be artistic to break the status quo.

[TheGreatDayne]

It would have been cooler if they harvested advanced organic civilization since advanced organic organics would inevitably destroy other organics... with synthetics... It makes sense! (To me...)

[Red Dust]

There is nothing more alien than synthetic life. It's natural that we fear it, it's the ultimate in the unknown and unknowable.

The Synthetics, on the other hand, have no use for organic life. It exists and is a threat, it's only a matter of time before they reach the logical solution in the interest of their continued survival.

[fchopin]

Nyoka wrote...

They're angry because we can haev secks and they can't.

How do you know? They could create female Geth so they could join mind and body better than us.

[EricHVela]

This is another instance where the definitions in the game's lore does not necessarily match reality. What we know as computing is not capable of life in reality. They can mimic life, but they cannot handle all exceptions and cannot feel emotions.

Even self-modification begins with a seeded code dictating their evolution even if the creator has no idea how the thing's logic will change. That seed-code always results in the same evolution process. Humans have no such equivalent.

The AIs in Mass Effect go beyond logic and make emotional judgments. They are actually alive according to the game. Despite Legion's denials, they have the same emotional facilities as living things in real life.

There's nothing really alien about them. That's no fault of the writing as writers can only claim to create something beyond the understanding of people but they cannot properly portray what they don't understand themselves and end up creating insanity instead. The only fault is attempting to portray an intelligence beyond one's understanding of life.

So, there you have it. Mass Effect synthetics are not alien, just loopy.

[AlexMBrennan]

Apparently simply the existence of a synthetic race makes organic genocide inevitable. This makes no bloody sense.

You're just getting that now?

Yeah, it could conceivably be true, and Godchild might even have evidence for it but since a) there is nothing Godchild can say or do to make Shepard believe him and nothing Shepard can say or do is more than an anecdote to Godchild, the conversation at the end is meaningless.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 11 septembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[fr33stylez]

LucasShark wrote...

This is yet another sentiment which drives me absolutely nuts about the ending, and indeed a lot of "pro enders".

Apparently simply the existence of a synthetic race makes organic genocide inevitable.  This makes no bloody sense.

Because the catalyst says so. Now shut up and pick my colors or die.

[Blueprotoss]

LucasShark wrote...

This is yet another sentiment which drives me absolutely nuts about the ending, and indeed a lot of "pro enders".

Apparently simply the existence of a synthetic race makes organic genocide inevitable.  This makes no bloody sense.

Purely observed from a practical standpoint: to do this, a synthetic force would have to nuke, irradiate, and then utterly decimate every garden planet in the galaxy, repeatedly.  Given extremophiles like the Volus, and they'd have to do the same to every non-garden world as well.  Then they'd have to do it again every few millenea.  Then there's the fact that new planets are born every single moment of time.

It's a sisyphian task, with no possible profit or motive, and would only consume resources to eliminate threats which don't actually exist and may never exist.  Synthetics have no need for organics, and they have no need for their utter absence either.  It makes no rational sense.  The only possible explanation would be Dalek-esque hatred.

The Daleks also show us the only way this could ever be possible: just up and destroy the entire universe.

Robots killing organics is almost as old as Jewish history itself with the Golem.  Its nothing new even when you look at Mary Shelly's Frankenstein.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 11 septembre 2012 - 02:33 .

[tyrvas]

@ OP, Did'nt you know that Synthesis is Inevitable?

[CaptainZaysh]

LucasShark wrote...

Purely observed from a practical standpoint: to do this, a synthetic force would have to nuke, irradiate, and then utterly decimate every garden planet in the galaxy, repeatedly.  Given extremophiles like the Volus, and they'd have to do the same to every non-garden world as well.  Then they'd have to do it again every few millenea.  Then there's the fact that new planets are born every single moment of time.

Actually such a task would be trivially easy given ME tech levels.  Armed Von Neumann probes would do the trick just fine.

Wikipedia wrote...
It has been theorized that a self-replicating starship utilizing relatively conventional theoretical methods of interstellar travel (i.e., no exotic faster-than-light propulsion such as "warp drive", and speeds limited to an "average cruising speed" of 0.1c.) could spread throughout a galaxy the size of the Milky Way in as little as half a million years.

So we know they could do it.  The only question remaining is whether they would do it, which necessarily has to be a guess (since we don't know anything about them at this stage).  If however we estimate that the chances of them choosing to wipe out organics is greater than zero percent then given enough time they will eventually do so.  This is the basis for saying this outcome is essentially inevitable.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Nyoka wrote...

They're angry because we can haev secks and they can't.

You have just changed my entire outlook on the ME universe.