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[bmwcrazy]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I love watching people defending EA.

Its like watching people defending a person eating blob:

Defender: No seriously! It does not eat kids!
-monster eat a kid-
D: Welll...its just one kid ...not that many really...
-monster eats a bus full of kids-
D: Those kids were not so important really!
-monster eats an entire school full of kids-
D: ITS NOT THAT BAD REALLY DONT LOOK AT IT!

Funny and sad at the same time

Nevermind the child eating monster. Look at that fat guy in Valve!  He's fat, lazy, and he all he does is delaying a game that he doesn't even have a release date for. Did i mention that he's fat? Will someone please think of the children!? 
Oh the humanity!! 

[NKKKK]

This talk about people losing jobs is funny too, the first thing EA loves to do with their companies is lay off half of their employees.

Delayed game? So what! He can entertain us with other games while we wait. Better long development time than a year and half (DRAGON AGE 2)

Modifié par NKKKK, 12 septembre 2012 - 01:14 .

[Ghost Lightning]

NKKKK wrote...

This talk about people losing jobs is funny too, the first thing EA loves to do with their companies is lay off half of their employees.

Delayed game? So what! He can entertain us with other games while we wait. Better long development time than a year and half (DRAGON AGE 2)

I actually agree with this a lot. More time = more polish. It may not garuntee that the game will be good, or live up to expectaions, but more time is  more work. And at least it means that they refuse to release an inferior product for the sake of time or money.

[bmwcrazy]

EntropicAngel wrote...

You have to admit, all the people sucking on Steam's...er...valve...gets old.

At least there are some good reasons to suck on Steam's...er...valve, as opposed to defending EA's practices. 

[slimgrin]

I'm still not a fan of Steam, but saying that takes balls and candor, something severely lacking in this industry.

Modifié par slimgrin, 12 septembre 2012 - 01:21 .

[NKKKK]

I'd be inclined to disagree, myself.

Explain how EA is better than Steam. Enlighten us please.

[Kathleen321]

This sounds like a job for INDIE MAN!!!

[NKKKK]

EntropicAngel wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Explain how EA is better than Steam. Enlighten us please.

To me, EA is better because they produce, and have produced, a ton of deep games that I like, not about one or two games (in length) in the last ten years for Valve--three freaking hours does not a game make, as far as I'm concerned. Portal is an absolutely, truly amazing series, but 9 hours for the last two games is not an acceptable path to follow

That's like your opinion man.

[Ninja Stan]

Let's cut the company and developer bashing, please, or this thread will have to be locked.

[Dominus]

three freaking hours does not a game make

A lot of what are considered the greatest games of all time can be beaten in less than 3 hours. Most NES/SNES games like Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Metroid, and there's also a Fallout 1 speed run in 10 minutes. I've personally beaten Fallout 3 in less than 2 hours before.

Back on topic, Gabe's choice to essentially self-destruct/collapse his own game company before selling out isn't the most practical, but there is a strong sense of principle there. Would you rather Black Isle Studios or Troika close their doors, or join up with less-than-savory publishers? Though here's a fun fact, V:tmB was published by Activision.

[Lord_Valandil]

Ghost Lightning wrote...
More time = more polish.

Unless, of course, they become vaporware.
But yes, I agree.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

The chronicles of Entropic Angel.

Generally speaking though, large billion dollar corporations like to project a good public image while also trying to make uber profits. Valve is an example of succeeding at that, while EA is an example of massive failure.

It's not that any company is perfect, or looks out for the consumer to the detriment of sales (nobody does that), but Valve has a better handle on how to engage the community and take steps that endear loyalty while also maximising profits.

Whereas EA...

DominusVita wrote...

Back on topic, Gabe's choice to essentially self-destruct/collapse his own game company before selling out isn't the most practical, but there is a strong sense of principle there. Would you rather Black Isle Studios or Troika close their doors, or join up with less-than-savory publishers? Though here's a fun fact, V:tmB was published by Activision.

Fun fact #2: Valve and Activision screwed over Troika during development by giving them an incomplete Source Engine to work with, then releasing HL 2 on the same day as Bloodlines.

Also, Tim Cain was burnt by the experience. Troika closed down soon after. They were offered contracts to do other games still, but he wanted to make RPGs on his terms. So he closed down the studio while they were still in the black and could pay off their employees.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:26 .

[Barry Bathernak]

EntropicAngel wrote...

DominusVita wrote...

A lot of what are considered the greatest games of all time can be beaten in less than 3 hours. Most NES/SNES games like Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Metroid, and there's also a Fallout 1 speed run in 10 minutes. I've personally beaten Fallout 3 in less than 2 hours before.

The SNES is twenty years old, Dom.

And a sandbox game and a game that is purely story based are not comparable.

exuses exuses...you can be bf3 in that time,and fallout 3 is a rpg in a sandbox enviorment where doing everything quests,finding new location, and collecting unique items can place you at over one hundred hours easy. Oh and those old nes and snes games had no save feature so when you were out of lives it was back to the start meaning they were really effing tough.
edit to make a spell check type thing.

Modifié par Barry Bathernak, 12 septembre 2012 - 07:14 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

This talk about people losing jobs is funny too, the first thing EA loves to do with their companies is lay off half of their employees.

Delayed game? So what! He can entertain us with other games while we wait. Better long development time than a year and half (DRAGON AGE 2)

I actually agree with this a lot. More time = more polish. It may not garuntee that the game will be good, or live up to expectaions, but more time is  more work. And at least it means that they refuse to release an inferior product for the sake of time or money.

If we're to believe the New Employee Handbook that Valve supposedly puts out, I'd say it most likely means that very few people at Valve are actually working on Half-Life (either Episode 3 or Half-Life 3), if any at all.  If no one at Valve is saying "we have to get new Half-Life out right away" then there's no need for it to happen.

Fun fact #2: Valve and Activision screwed over Troika during development
by giving them an incomplete Source Engine to work with, then releasing
HL 2 on the same day as Bloodlines.

The reason why Half-Life 2 was released the same day as Bloodlines is because Troika was contractually obligated to not release before Half-Life 2 came out.

Since we are "fun facting" though, it's not at all uncommon for companies to license "incomplete engines" and take code drops from the engine designer as features come in (on top of creating their own engine modifications and improvements).


For the record I love Bloodlines.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 12 septembre 2012 - 04:20 .

[Brockololly]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
If we're to believe the New Employee Handbook that Valve supposedly puts out, I'd say it most likely means that very few people at Valve are actually working on Half-Life (either Episode 3 or Half-Life 3), if any at all.  If no one at Valve is saying "we have to get new Half-Life out right away" then there's no need for it to happen.

There is no Half Life 3, its Ricochet 2.

[Offender_Mullet]

Who cares. The only thing I want to hear Gabe Newell say is: "Half-Life 3 is being released on */*/2013"

[slimgrin]

EntropicAngel wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Explain how EA is better than Steam. Enlighten us please.

To me, EA is better because they produce, and have produced, a ton of deep games....

Holy mother of jesus are you serious?