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[ninemarrow]

I like Gabe and Valve, but the one thing thats keeping me back from really loving there industry is that they barely ever branch out to consoles and give ALL the **** to PC... Show some love for the consoles Gabe...

[Chromie]

ninemarrow wrote...

I like Gabe and Valve, but the one thing thats keeping me back from really loving there industry is that they barely ever branch out to consoles and give ALL the **** to PC... Show some love for the consoles Gabe...

Valve CAN'T it's not Gabe's fault Microsoft has forced them to charge for all free content we get on PC have you seen Team Fortress 2 on PC? It's a completely different beast compared to the 360 version. 

[Chromie]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Valve CAN'T it's not Gabe's fault Microsoft has forced them to charge for all free content we get on PC have you seen Team Fortress 2 on PC? It's a completely different beast compared to the 360 version. 

Do they charge for this content on PS3?

I have no idea you tell me. Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 aren't available on the PS3 I believe.

Modifié par Skelter192, 13 septembre 2012 - 06:05 .

[Chromie]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

I have no idea you tell me.

If you have no idea, why are you blaming Microsoft when it may be happening on both consoles and thus may be the fault of Valve?

Valve: "Microsoft Forced Us to Charge for Left 4 Dead DLC"

Modifié par Skelter192, 13 septembre 2012 - 06:08 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

ninemarrow wrote...

I like Gabe and Valve, but the one thing thats keeping me back from really loving there industry is that they barely ever branch out to consoles and give ALL the **** to PC... Show some love for the consoles Gabe...

Consoles are getting more than enough love from everyone else.

[Dominus]

It doesn't kick you out if your last time you were online and now you're not. It loads the offline mode.

Guess that's why it hasn't been working for me. That may be due to a patch, and I probably missed it.

As far as the whole Console Issue, it's gotten better over time, but PC is still going to be the preference for Valve until shown otherwise.

[Loerwyn]

Skelter192 wrote...
I have no idea you tell me. Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 aren't available on the PS3 I believe.

Team Fortress 2 is.

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...
The fact that Origin's
intrusiveness made it into the news and attracted the attention of
researchers is already enough of evidence to show its incompetence as
DRM. It's undeniably a stain on its already shaky reputation.

No, it's enough to show that people believe what they want to believe and will never correct their opinions. Even though Origin has been shown to not be malicious software - it actually works pretty well in most aspects - people still believe it is because they want to.

As one of the BW devs said earlier, a lot of what is said about Origin now was said about Steam back when it first released, and it certainly didn't release in a better state than Origin did.

[Loerwyn]

Really? I've had far fewer problems with Origin than I have with Steam. Steam doesn't manage a 100% up time, the friend servers (at least) go down pretty often on it.

And again, as I said, all it's proving is people believe what they read and continue to do so even when presented with evidence to the contrary. The same happened with Ubi's DRM - people based their opinions off its implementation in AC2, regardless of whether they had that game or not. As someone who's got Anno 2070 and The Settlers 7 and has racked up a few hours under Ubi's DRM, I can say with certainty that it's not as bad as people say it is.

All DRM is bad, though. But Origin? It's fine. Could do with improvements, but even Steam needs improvements.

[Cyberarmy]

I have 2 games on Origin. BF3 and ME3 and BF3 is using another interface most of time after logging in.
Those 2 games gave me double the problems i had from steam. And steam was a ubber mass when first released with Half Life 2.

[Poison_Berrie]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Do they charge for this content on PS3?

As far as I'm aware Sony charges for such DLC like content (and patches) to be released on the console.

[Allan Schumacher]

@OnlyShallow: Word of mouth is a more powerful tool than you think. Once a bad reputation, always a bad reputation. Plus, looking at all the online passes bullsh*t and taking into account that EA's servers break down every five seconds (ME 3 multiplayer)... Nah, not for me, thanks. If EA wants to compete, let them pump some money into their DRM platform first and make it run more smoothly. A shoddy product from a shoddy company, that's what.

If "once a bad reputation always a bad reputation" were actually true, Steam would never have become popular, nor have the following it has now.

[Dominus]

Pretty much that. The only example that I can think of would be games from Konami: Castlevania around the N64 generation turned away a great deal of gamers from the mediocre titles from that console and hurt the reputation of the company. And then, there was this. Ultimately, it's the down but not out situation. Companies, no matter whether they're BioWare, Valve, or whoever, can make major mistakes and get back up from it. Problems happen, and they hopefully move on and learn from mistakes.

Also, I checked Origin again and it does indeed have a full offline mode now - likely a patch I'd neglected before.

Modifié par DominusVita, 14 septembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[slimgrin]

This guy's take on EA and the emerging culture of outsiders coming into the industry is refreshing.

Modifié par slimgrin, 14 septembre 2012 - 02:05 .

[Destr1er]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

@OnlyShallow: Word of mouth is a more powerful tool than you think. Once a bad reputation, always a bad reputation. Plus, looking at all the online passes bullsh*t and taking into account that EA's servers break down every five seconds (ME 3 multiplayer)... Nah, not for me, thanks. If EA wants to compete, let them pump some money into their DRM platform first and make it run more smoothly. A shoddy product from a shoddy company, that's what.

If "once a bad reputation always a bad reputation" were actually true, Steam would never have become popular, nor have the following it has now.

That's true. But Valve has learned from their mistakes and have gone on to be the best game publisher around. They do not treat their customers like thieves, idiots or just an income stream.
They treat their customers like people.

EA is owned by people who do not understand video games, fun or value. All they care about is profit, even if it means killing game franchises and studios.
Just look at all the legendary games that are no longer around. Look at all the studios killed off by using a much loved studio to sell bad products.

Look at EA's current focus : the free to play Zynga model. They are finally getting around to implementing it even though Zynga is imploding. Free to play casual garbage is not the future, it is just a means to quick profit.


You guys at Bioware need to find a way to buy yourself out from EA. Under their ownership the Bioware brand has taken a beating.

Modifié par Destr1er, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:54 .

[Addai]

Destr1er wrote...
That's true. But Valve has learned from their mistakes and have gone on to be the best game publisher around. They do not treat their customers like thieves, idiots or just an income stream.
They treat their customers like people.

EA is owned by people who do not understand video games, fun or value. All they care about is profit, even if it means killing game franchises and studios.

I think they do not understand the people who buy their games, either.  Every statement they make shows more and more disconnect, that they know better than gamers do about what we want.  If Valve ever starts acting like that, they'll lose their customer goodwill, too.  It's not like it's set in stone.

I was reminded of this reading this article on EVE Online.

[Rockworm503]

Yeah Destr1er said it best. The thing is not only that Valve learns their lesson but they can do the F2P model and not make you feel like an idiot. Team Fortress 2 is as fun as its ever been and they keep pushing out updates with new content all free no charge (Mann Vs Machine anyone?) And they get their profits from pointless hats and stuff... Fine whatever I would love more hats but its not a big deal to me.
Meanwhile I get the impression that EA not only wont learn any lessons but refuse to acknowledge that they should. One only has to look back at the ME3 ending debacle to see how its all going. I'm not going to beat that dead horse but where most companies understand the customer is always right.... EA seems to have adopted a business strategy that says "bend over and like it because we know you'll buy it anyway"

[Fallstar]

I use both Origin and Steam. Whilst the steam client is significantly more polished, I don't really have a preference. I've not once had an issue with validation of my games for either service, or been unable to access my games on either service. Indeed, the only problem of that nature I've had was being unable to access my Origins dlc last year on a physical copy. I'm not particularly fussed about the spyware issues either. If they made such data collection optional I'd probably let them go ahead and do it.

So I'm not bothered about the respective clients. But Valve hasn't killed any franchises I enjoyed. EA has. If EA wasn't responsible for so many people's livelihoods I'd take great satisfaction in watching them crash and burn.

[Karlone123]

NKKKK wrote...

I remember when Bioware used to be independently owned.

That was probably in another lifetime.

[Eldareus]

I was against the whole steam concept when it was first introduced. However, I realized how wrong I was when I found out how convenient it was to download cool games at incredible sale prices. I particularly like having my game library located within one client, therefore I do not want to use another download client such as Origin. I loved Mass effect 1 and 2 but I have not purchase Mass effect 3 due to the Origin requirement. I am also not a big fan of EA business practices in general. I am happy to see Mr. Newell stands firm against EA.

[Merilsell]

That's cool, I like this way of thinking. Since I would rather throw my computer out of the window than to install Origin.

(And for the record: I don't use Steam, either)