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Is Synthesis Paragon or Renegade for you??


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DirtyPhoenix

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Hrothdane wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

JimJamBimBam wrote...

I don't see any of them being good or evil.


But paragon and renegade slide is never meant to represent the good/evil divide right? It has more to do with lawful/chaotic slide I think; the approach you take to solve your problem. I never saw the R/P slides as good/evil. Which is why I liked it more than the traditional good-or-evil slides of other games.

So in that sense none of the choices are good or evil, as others have said. They only represent the lawful or chaotic way of solving the (reaper) problem.


I think paragon choices tend to have a lot of "good" leanings. Breaking the kid's gun on Omega is not exactly a very lawful thing to do, nor is chewing out a C-SEC office and a volus because they are being dicks to a quarian, but both are "good" choices.


The way I see it, the game always railroads you into the "good" path. Defeating Saren/collectors/reapers. You cannot deviate fro that path and be an actual evil, like you can in some other RPGs. You cannot join up with the reapers and help them with their harvesting, not willfully anyway. (inb4control&synthesis). So, you either go about your good goal by being a dick, so you are a dick good. Or you can go about your goal by doing all the side-goods too (if that makes sense), in that case you are an angelic good.

Saving the kid, and the Quarian problem had no bearing on Shepard's overall goal. Not doing them can't be considered evil. While doing them means you are doing moar good over your stated good goal. Hence paragon.

Renegade choices can similarly be explained, if you headcanon a bit.

Modifié par pirate1802, 11 septembre 2012 - 01:20 .


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Legbiter

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Chaotic Evil.

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destroy is renegade
control can be paragon or renegade
synthesis is reaper

Modifié par Nyoka, 11 septembre 2012 - 01:35 .


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Well, it certainly isn't Paragon.

control can be paragon or renegade



Choosing Control is never Paragon. Sure, the Shepard AI can be more inclined towards Paragon, but choosing Control is not Paragon.

Modifié par Zardoc, 11 septembre 2012 - 01:47 .


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Your vision of the paragon way is awfully narrow

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Synthesis is a pile of garbage and makes no sense. I choose that option.

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I..... I don't know.

I picked it once reloading a savegame but I really find it an attrocity (not sure if it's a word, my English is rubbish)

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Haargel wrote...

I picked it once reloading a savegame but I really find it an attrocity (not sure if it's a word, my English is rubbish)


Oh, that's a word and it's entirely appropriate in this case.

Back to the original topic: Synthesis takes the choice away from everyone, you make the choice for them. That's Renegade to me.

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GiarcYekrub wrote...

Paragon, personally as everyone lives and has freewill


until someone lets a visus go that rewrites the synthetic part of everyone, giving total control to the starkid again, just saying.

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pirate1802 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Choose Refuse.


Why?



The people who push this, either:

Do so to thumb their nose at Bioware. (Which I  get. It's pointless, but I get it.)

Some have actually, though, convinced themselves that letting the galaxy die is "winning." 

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cerberus1701 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Choose Refuse.


Why?



The people who push this, either:

Do so to thumb their nose at Bioware. (Which I  get. It's pointless, but I get it.)

Some have actually, though, convinced themselves that letting the galaxy die is "winning." 


cos the Galaxy wins next time around. I get it, I dont agree with it, but I get it. 

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Synthesis, Control and Destroy are all neither paragon nor renegade. Though control does have two variations for paragon and renegade player, the actual act of choosing control cannot be reasoned by being paragon or renegade. All endings have their ups and downs therefore they are all grey.

Choose Refuse.

True. I'd say that by nature Control and Destroy are Renegade, though. If it came down to it, I'd say Synthesis is the most 'Paragon' of these three, at least if you're comparing the endings to past Paragon and Renegade descisions in the series.

cerberus1701 wrote...

The people who push this, either:

Do so to thumb their nose at Bioware. (Which I  get. It's pointless, but I get it.)

Some have actually, though, convinced themselves that letting the galaxy die is "winning." 

Did you pick Refuse and see the galaxy "die"? Can a galaxy even truly "die"? Javik has managed to survive the past cycle just fine. Many more Protheans would have survived if their facilities were better prepared and didn't run out of power.
And we have a clear advantage over the Protheans, which Javik admits himself: Shepard managed to unite the galaxy. The best fighting forces, the best scientists, working together. I pick Refuse because I am confident they will find another way.
Blast it, I've gotten into a Refuse debate again.

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Mordak55 wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Paragon, personally as everyone lives and has freewill


until someone lets a visus go that rewrites the synthetic part of everyone, giving total control to the starkid again, just saying.




Destroy: until someone finds a way to reactive the dead reapers and creates an army of them.
Control: until someone finds a way to subde AI!Shepard and take control of the reaper fleet.

Worst-case situation exists in every ending:wizard:

Also, there's no clinching evidence whether the starkid lived or died. Implications are that he died since we see the citadel starting to blow up.

cerberus1701 wrote...

Some have actually, though, convinced themselves that letting the galaxy die is "winning." 


[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie] Winning for Shepard maybe, he keeps his hands clean. Anyways, its their decision. I'm nobody to comment on that. :D

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Neither, it is simply Mac Walters

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cerberus1701

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Mordak55 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Choose Refuse.


Why?



The people who push this, either:

Do so to thumb their nose at Bioware. (Which I  get. It's pointless, but I get it.)

Some have actually, though, convinced themselves that letting the galaxy die is "winning." 


cos the Galaxy wins next time around. I get it, I dont agree with it, but I get it. 



So do I. And i'm not getting into a fight over it, either. I was just answering a question.

That said, I will say, that one playing, assumed. And the rest of the galaxy assumed that the point of the thing was to stop the Reapers in THIS cycle.

To not do so when you can is not winning,

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Synthesis is a joke.

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Synthesis is neither. It's just incredibly stupid. Neither Paragon's naive trust and optimism, nor Renegade's short-sightedness and thoughtlessness, have anything on the mindless, idiotic, nonsensical idiocy of the highest caliber that is Synthesis.

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I think it is quite Paragon, you sacrifice yourself to save everyone even your enemy the Reapers and you hope that everyone can get along with this new understanding you helped give them.

Guess you could make it an argument for Renegade as well, a questionable choice morally, but justified based on pragmatic benefits (enhanced forms, more resources to help rebuild, ancient knowledge, etc.)

Modifié par strive, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:32 .


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Well, seeing how Synthesis occupies the position that would normally be taken by the 'neutral' answer on the dialogue wheel, I like to think it was intended to be a Synthesis of a Paragon and a Renegade response.

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It's paragon. You sacrifice yourself and improve everyone's quality of life.

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Synthesis and Control are by nature Paragon.

Destroy and Refuse are by nature Renegade.

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It's neutral. As are the others. It's all how you look at things.

Renegades are not evil, they are pragmatic. I wish that would come across to more people.

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It's neither. It's just wrong.

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N7 Shadow Liara

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Synthesis is bull**** for me!

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you are sacrificing yourself, you are saving the Geth, you are allowing the ancient races trapped in Reaper form to participate in some way in life again and you achieve a type of peace in the galaxy.

However, you do this by imposing a very serious change on ALL LIFE in the galaxy, presumably fundamentally changing their nature for all time, even though there are other choices available.

Overall I would say it leans more towards paragon.

Destroy is somewhat of a Renegade choice in that you are willingly sacrificing the Geth (if they survived the quarian war) and EDI to save all organic life (as well as the lives already within Reapers) but given the risks of letting the Reapers survive, I dont think its that clear cut a renegade choice.

Im not sure how to classify Control.

Refuse is just a stupid choice altogether.