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[Saans Shadow]

pirate1802 wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

I refuse to consider "space fairies sprinkling fairy dust on everyone to make them green" as an option.

LOL

[Mordak55]

pirate1802 wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

I refuse to consider "space fairies sprinkling fairy dust on everyone to make them green" as an option.

I do I pick Destroy, nice picture tho lol

Modifié par Mordak55, 12 septembre 2012 - 12:15 .

[Tronar]

Renegade. Synthesis ignores the potentially different wishes of the billions of sentient beings in the Galaxy. Forcing what you personally deem appropriate onto your fellow lifeforms is definitely not a Paragon choice....

Modifié par Tronar, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:56 .

[Tronar]

Bfler wrote...

It's the Borg decision.

Hahaha. This!!!

[jpraelster93]

Renegade your making a choice for everyone no one should be allowed to do that its incredibly selfish

[teh DRUMPf!!]

pirate1802 wrote...

Too good. 

Tronar wrote...

Renegade. Synthesis ignores the potentially different wishes of the billions of sentient beings in the Galaxy. Forcing what you personally deem appropriate onto your fellow lifeforms is definitely not a Paragon choice....

 

Uhh... that holds true for EVERY ending.

Destroy: entails the genocide of synthetic life, a betrayal to what they're fighting to save themselves from. Then you have folks like Joker who have emotional attachments to a synthetic. Then you have folks like the quarians (if you broker peace on Rannoch) who depend on them for other reasons (aiding their immunity-systems). There is no way in hell everyone would completely approve of this, or that everyone would prefer it over Control/Synthesis.

Control: compromises the Reaper lifeforms by continuing to enslave them. From then on, Shepard's involvement into any galactic affairs can be unwarranted, or unwanted. Where Destroy/Synthesis violate free-will once, Control runs the biggest risk of doing it more.

Refuse: you just allow the Reapers to do all of the most F'd up things possible to the galaxy.


Consent isn't on the side of any endings, you're going to ****** some people off no matter what. So you have to choose what's best.

[Reorte]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Consent isn't on the side of any endings, you're going to ****** some people off no matter what. So you have to choose what's best.

Which is the one that screws over the least people. That's Synthesis definitely out. Whether Control or Destroy is better depends upon how Control will work out. Personally I don't trust it at all.

[Eterna]

I think at it's core it's paragon simply because of what it accomplishes and the purpose behind it.

[AlanC9]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Consent isn't on the side of any endings, you're going to ****** some people off no matter what. So you have to choose what's best.

This is true, but Synthesis changes a lot more beings than the other two options.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

AlanC9 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Consent isn't on the side of any endings, you're going to ****** some people off no matter what. So you have to choose what's best.

This is true, but Synthesis changes a lot more beings than the other two options.

If consent is a legitimate issue to you, then you're typically going to believe that even 1 violation is too much. So in that way, every solution is going to commit too much anyway. The scale basically becomes irrelevant.

How do you offset it? IMO, by choosing what does the most good. To me, that's Synthesis.

[GreyReaver]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Paragon, personally as everyone lives and has freewill

Umm... what???! you speak of freewill, yet, no one except Shepard had a choice in the matter.  Yes, I get the concept that Shepard has become the exception, the Avatar of the cycle, but his/her decision is for everyone and everything else, so they don't have a choice in the matter.  Honestly I cannot conceive of a Paragon Shepard within the ME Universe picking synthesis.  I'll give a little wiggle room for "chaotic" Renegade Shepards within the ME Universe.

[GreyReaver]

pirate1802 wrote...

Tronar wrote...

Renegade. Synthesis ignores the potentially different wishes of the billions of sentient beings in the Galaxy. Forcing what you personally deem appropriate onto your fellow lifeforms is definitely not a Paragon choice....

 

Uhh... that holds true for EVERY ending.

Destroy: entails the genocide of synthetic life, a betrayal to what they're fighting to save themselves from. Then you have folks like Joker who have emotional attachments to a synthetic. Then you have folks like the quarians (if you broker peace on Rannoch) who depend on them for other reasons (aiding their immunity-systems). There is no way in hell everyone would completely approve of this, or that everyone would prefer it over Control/Synthesis.

Control: compromises the Reaper lifeforms by continuing to enslave them. From then on, Shepard's involvement into any galactic affairs can be unwarranted, or unwanted. Where Destroy/Synthesis violate free-will once, Control runs the biggest risk of doing it more.

Refuse: you just allow the Reapers to do all of the most F'd up things possible to the galaxy.


Consent isn't on the side of any endings, you're going to ****** some people off no matter what. So you have to choose what's best.

Agreed.  Whether people realize it or not, there is NO PARAGON ME3 ending and I think that is consciously or unconscioulsly what has pissed off so many people about the ending.

Further, I think that somewhere along the line, BW forgt that ME3 is a sci-fi rpg.  Games are entertainment.  And most entertainment provides escapism through suspension of dis-belief via a viable alternate reality (realism). Escapism in appropriate amounts in healthy, constructive and fun.

But, somehow, BW writers go off on a bat-s#it crazy tangent in the last 10 minutes of the game and get al uber meta on us and take the, "Shepard has to make tough decisions along the way," to the Nth degree and become all republican-style control freak preachy parents and putting Shepard into a dream state with a magic gun and a magic space child with a magic ending that was totally inconsistent with the entire rest of the series.  If I wanted to face reality instead of escaping from it for a few hours, I'd hit the "off" button and pick up the stack of bills in my letter box and prioritize which ones I can or can't pay this week or I'd send out 10 more resumes instead of my normal average of 30 per week looking for a job I haven't had since April of 2012, oh, and I don't qualify for unemployment because I'm a self-employed contractor.  Or better yet, I think about why I developed panhypopituitarism i.e., hypo-thyroidism, hypo-gonadism and no adrenal function and therefore have to take 12 different medications a day and 1 injection a week for the rest of my life, whatever is left of it. So, yeah, basicallly thank-you BW for breaking my suspension of dis-beleif in the last 10 minutes an otherwise outstanding 120 hour our so series.

Modifié par GreyReaver, 12 septembre 2012 - 08:44 .

[Yate]

I don't think there's really paragon and renegade for any ending. It's all about what you think is best for the galaxy. The only real difference between paragon and renegade is the means by which Shepard gets results. Since the means are all the same, there's no paragon or renegade.

[zambot]

I agree with other posters that the endings themselves are not paragon or renegade. It's bizarre to me that Bioware made one "Red" and one "blue" when clearly (in the blue one at any rate) there is a renegade and a paragon interpretation for it. I think each ending can be interpreted and colored as either paragon or renegade depending on how you view it.

[Rommel49]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Consent isn't on the side of any endings, you're going to ****** some people off no matter what. So you have to choose what's best.

This is true, but Synthesis changes a lot more beings than the other two options.

If consent is a legitimate issue to you, then you're typically going to believe that even 1 violation is too much. So in that way, every solution is going to commit too much anyway. The scale basically becomes irrelevant.

How do you offset it? IMO, by choosing what does the most good. To me, that's Synthesis.

Except consent is on the side of Destroy, that was always the mission and it's the only one that has the implied or explicit consent of everyone involved. It's what the commander's friends, crewmates, and superiors want. It was known throughout the war the Crucible could have unintended consequences if fired by both Hackett and Anderson - they built it anyway. Javik says it explicitly: the Reapers need to be extinct, even subjugating them isn't enough (nevermind singing kumbaya around the campfire), Ashley calls them monsters that need to be put down, etc.

EDI herself makes it clear, that the Reapers are only interested in self-preservation and how she's different, the Geth themselves set the tone when they willingly allied with the Reapers for just a hope at saving themselves despite knowing full well that the Reapers' mission was the extermination of all advanced organic life, not just the Quarians.

[Metalunatic]

MB957 wrote...

I never saw any of the choices as paragon or renegade....just idiotic.

Pretty much. It's not a matter of Paragon/Renegade, it's about picking the one you think sucks less than the other two.

Modifié par Metalunatic, 12 septembre 2012 - 09:52 .

[Zardoc]

Nyoka wrote...

Your vision of the paragon way is awfully narrow

How so? When has accepting power of such magnitude from your opponent, the very creature responsible for countless deaths, been Paragon? Considering that trying to harness the power of the Reapers has always been portrayed as Renegade or downright evil, and the fact that power always corrupts, no matter how good your intentions may be.

Modifié par Zardoc, 12 septembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[The Night Mammoth]

pirate1802 wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

I refuse to consider "space fairies sprinkling fairy dust on everyone to make them green" as an option.

What's Shepard saying 'deal with it' for? 

[inversevideo]

Metalunatic wrote...

MB957 wrote...

I never saw any of the choices as paragon or renegade....just idiotic.

Pretty much. It's not a matter of Paragon/Renegade, it's about picking the one you think sucks less than the other two.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Neither. It's incoherent.

[CronoDragoon]

If I had to choose, I'd say Paragon, I guess. It just so happens to be a thoroughly boring Paragon choice in my book.

[Ryoten]

Synthesis is neither. It doesn't belong in the game, and i treat it as such when i play. It just doesn't exist. When the catalyst starts talking about it, i just try to drown it out and pretend hes not talking about it.

[Bill Casey]

Oransel wrote...

Synthesis is the most evil decision player can make. Far beyond Moral Event Horizon. Creating a Matrix...

So much this...
It doesn't even register...
It's the single most evil thing I've seen ever. It's thoroughly offensive on every level...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 12 septembre 2012 - 10:36 .

[silverignika]

It's the crap ending.

It can't really be categorized into Paragon or Renegade, much like the other endings.

[JeffZero]

For me, it's neither.