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[Anacronian Stryx]

Well at least EA seem to distance themselves from the endings, Now we just need Bioware to realize how bad the endings are and come down from their high horse instead of somehow blaming their costumers for not liking the crap Bioware made.

[Cainne Chapel]

Ana what would they need to "come down off their high horse" for?

There's NOTHING to apologize for, so some dont like their endings, big deal. Does Bethesda have to apologize to people who didnt like skyrim? Does Nolan have to apologize to people that didnt like TDKR?

just because someone doesnt like something,d oesnt mean the creators have to come out and apologize for it.

I mean, shock and awe, some people didn't care for or like ME1 or ME2 either. 

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 12 septembre 2012 - 12:20 .

[crimzontearz]

Cainne Chapel wrote...Ana what would they need to "come down off their high horse" for?There's NOTHING to apologize for, so some dont like their endings, big deal. Does Bethesda have to apologize to people who didnt like skyrim? Does Nolan have to apologize to people that didnt like TDKR?just because someone doesnt like something,d oesnt mean the creators have to come out and apologize for it

did sky rim generate the largest controversy in video gaming history with THIS kind of backlash? no? didn't think so...

[Anacronian Stryx]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ana what would they need to "come down off their high horse" for?

There's NOTHING to apologize for, so some dont like their endings, big deal. Does Bethesda have to apologize to people who didnt like skyrim? Does Nolan have to apologize to people that didnt like TDKR?

just because someone doesnt like something,d oesnt mean the creators have to come out and apologize for it

And i wrote they should apologize..where??.

[Conniving_Eagle]

I'd like an apology for all the atrocious ending and all the LIES...

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 12 septembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[Cainne Chapel]

Crimzon you do realize just because there was controversy, in the great scheme things its NOT that important right?

I mean hell there's beenc ontroversy over Dante's "LOOKS AND ATTITUDE" in the new DMC of all things, there was controversy over Cole in Infamous 2,

Internet controversy is a dime a dozen really and as of right now, MOST people outside of the internet faithful, know very little if anything at all about it. (Of course I'm speaking from MY experience).

But just because there was a B*tchfest about the endings that people didn't like, there's no need for them to come out and apologize, what would they need to apologize FOR exactly? Because they amde something that SOME of their fanbase didn't agree with? Unfortunately, not everyone is going to like ALL things from them ya know.

I, myself, didn't like NWN, doesnt mean they need to apologize for making it.

[chris2365]

In my opinion, it's both their faults. It is Bioware's fault for actually writing the ending. EA would never say '' Hey, make an ending that leaves no room for sequels ''. That is just not like them. Bioware wanted to do something different with Mass Effect 3's ending than your standard '' Crucible blows up all the Reapers and everyone lives happily ever after'' ending. That is fine, but don't make something that makes no sense and leaves everyone asking 2 million questions about the fate of the galaxy, characters, etc.when you specifically said that there would be no loose ends in the final game of a TRILOGY. This is by all means Bioware's fault no question (though as many have said, rumor has it that it was just Casey and Mac, so you can't blame the rest of the team who worked hard to make us moments like Tuchunka and Rannoch

However, blame must be put on EA as well. When you realise that your standard copy paste Call of duty game takes about 1 and a half years to make, and that you are given 2 years to make a 40 hour RPG, something isn't right. EA should have realised that making a game of this scope, with this many variables, will take minimum two years. This is, however, not taking into account that Mass Effect 3 is a trilogy, with your choices from the previous games coming into effect. In order to develop something of that size that would receive equal treatement in all areas ( Story, Gameplay, Choices, etc.) would require a minimum of 3 years, in my opinion. In this aspect, EA is to blame.

However, one must ask himself if EA's deadlines were to blame for ME3's ending. The answer is no. The deadlines might have forced rewrites of certain story elements, or the deletion of certain side-missions, but the ending to a trilogy cannot be ''cut'' or recieive less polish and attention in any video game. This was the moment we were all waiting for. The moment when we wanted to see all our hard work pay off. Bioware should have treated these last 30 minutes as the most important and epic moments of our 100+ hour playthrough. They should have made it even better than Tuchunka, The Suicide mission. Moments that we want to relive and cherish forever. Moments that mark us forever.

Instead, it looks like the ending was left until the last minute, and Bioware suffured the consequences.

Thankfully, I was not as impacted by the ending as everyone else, and the EC restored my trust in Bioware, and more importantly,  gave the appropriate conclusion that Mass Effect 3 deserved. It could have been better. But Bioware admitted their screw-up (not publicly, but deep inside), and tried to fix it. That's what counts, for me anyway.
 

[Cainne Chapel]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ana what would they need to "come down off their high horse" for?

There's NOTHING to apologize for, so some dont like their endings, big deal. Does Bethesda have to apologize to people who didnt like skyrim? Does Nolan have to apologize to people that didnt like TDKR?

just because someone doesnt like something,d oesnt mean the creators have to come out and apologize for it

And i wrote they should apologize..where??.

I'm sorry then ana, I just took that when you said they need to come down off their high horse and admit that some people didn't like their ending, as your way of saying they need to apologize for their game.

Sorry if I misunderstood your intent

[crimzontearz]

Cainne Chapel wrote...Crimzon you do realize just because there was controversy, in the great scheme things its NOT that important right?I mean hell there's beenc ontroversy over Dante's "LOOKS AND ATTITUDE" in the new DMC of all things, there was controversy over Cole in Infamous 2, Internet controversy is a dime a dozen really and as of right now, MOST people outside of the internet faithful, know very little if anything at all about it. (Of course I'm speaking from MY experience).But just because there was a B*tchfest about the endings that people didn't like, there's no need for them to come out and apologize, what would they need to apologize FOR exactly? Because they amde something that SOME of their fanbase didn't agree with? Unfortunately, not everyone is going to like ALL things from them ya know.I, myself, didn't like NWN, doesnt mean they need to apologize for making it.

and when you promise something and deliver the opposite and then deliver a joke as awful and as in bad taste as they did at comicon YOU DO...

[Cainne Chapel]

Well dont know anything about any awful things from comic-con (surprising isn't it), but then I alsod ont pay attention to pre-launch promises, i've followed gaming long enough to know not to count on it. hell there were pre-launch promises for ME1 that never came to fruition either. It happens.
I've learned not to obsess over it and let it bother me much.

That said, I have no idea what you mean when you say they should apologize for comic-con. Did something big go down there? I haven;t heard about it, please enlighten me.

[Cainne Chapel]

vivaladricas wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Internet controversy is a dime a dozen really and as of right now, MOST people outside of the internet faithful, know very little if anything at all about it. (Of course I'm speaking from MY experience).

That is very true and is a fact actually.  Internet is pretty much 100% ****ing all the time, everything sucks, everyone sucks.  I think a lot of people that played ME3 just played it to play a video game and after it was over put it on the shelf, and played the next game.  Probably didnt think about the story hardly at all.  

Well iw ould imagine anyone buying ME3 was at least SOMEWHAT interested in the story, after all it did do near identical numbers to ME2.  But moving on tot he next thing is what most people do unfortunately, I however tend to buy few games and play the hell out of each one. Multiple times.

But once again, from MY experience, the majority of my friends that DO play videogames, very rarely do much more than read a cursory review on a game they may like, but they never go to forums, or official sites, or do much other than watch a few trailrs and gameplay vids.  Because to them, they dont care about anyone elses thoughts on the game much.

and most of them are very tech savvy people, they just dont care to visit forums or read too deeply into things *shrug*  But they're just as big of fans of ME as anyone else.  (Well some of them anyway)

[crimzontearz]

Cainne Chapel wrote...Well dont know anything about any awful things from comic-con (surprising isn't it), but then I alsod ont pay attention to pre-launch promises, i've followed gaming long enough to know not to count on it. hell there were pre-launch promises for ME1 that never came to fruition either. It happens.I've learned not to obsess over it and let it bother me much.That said, I have no idea what you mean when you say they should apologize for comic-con. Did something big go down there? I haven;t heard about it, please enlighten me.

remember the one scene that makes destroy worth it? Shepard breathing signifying he is alive? Well according to a dev in the panel the scene "does not mean he is alive at all that cloud just be his last breath"





if it was their idea of a joke it was in incredibly bad taste especially after we were lead to believe otherwise by Jessica and others

[Dan Dark]

I'd take that article with a grain of salt, so to speak... it's from talking with EA's president, Frank Gibeau. The same guy who recently bragged about how he has "not green lit one game to be developed as a single player experience", but rather has insisted everything must include some form of online connectivity... and, though I can't find a source for it at the moment, I'm fairly certain this is the same man I heard once commented that it'd be great if microtransactions could be used to buy bullets in games.

So... I wouldn't take him too seriously.

[CELL55]

 Of course Bioware can write whatever story they want! So long as it falls within the budget and time constraints set by EA! <_<

[hoodaticus]

dreman9999 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So? ea was the ones who didn't give them enough time to make a proper ending. The still are at fault.

The ending is the result of bad ideas, not lack of time. There are other things which could well be put down to lack of time (iffy animations, Tali photo etc.) but the writing of the ending isn't one of them so I don't blame EA for it.

The uprowr started becausethe ending was not clear. EC fixes that. Any hate on the ending now is because of blind hae for a character or no option for an easy way out in the end.

[crimzontearz]

EntropicAngel wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...remember the one scene that makes destroy worth it? Shepard breathing signifying he is alive? Well according to a dev in the panel the scene "does not mean he is alive at all that cloud just be his last breath"if it was their idea of a joke it was in incredibly bad taste especially after we were lead to believe otherwise by Jessica and others

1. "makes control worth it"? You're looking at everything backwards. This isn't about Shepard living. It's about the Fate of the Galaxy.2. That guy said that because people were trying to pin him down on whether Shep was alive and he didn't want that.

1: to you, not to me


2: too ****ING bad for him, the result was still in poor taste especially for all those who really only wanted that to be clarified since destroy seems not to have been given much on the clarification department

[GreyLycanTrope]

hoodaticus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So? ea was the ones who didn't give them enough time to make a proper ending. The still are at fault.

The ending is the result of bad ideas, not lack of time. There are other things which could well be put down to lack of time (iffy animations, Tali photo etc.) but the writing of the ending isn't one of them so I don't blame EA for it.

The uprowr started becausethe ending was not clear. EC fixes that. Any hate on the ending now is because of blind hae for a character or no option for an easy way out in the end.

Nope, it's hate for the contrived resolution

[AresKeith]

EntropicAngel wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

remember the one scene that makes destroy worth it? Shepard breathing signifying he is alive? Well according to a dev in the panel the scene "does not mean he is alive at all that cloud just be his last breath"



if it was their idea of a joke it was in incredibly bad taste especially after we were lead to believe otherwise by Jessica and others

1. "makes control worth it"? You're looking at everything backwards. This isn't about Shepard living. It's about the Fate of the Galaxy.

2. That guy said that because people were trying to pin him down on whether Shep was alive and he didn't want that.

he's a dev, people are gonna come to him with questions about that

[D24O]

I say we blem Spoderman.

[GreyLycanTrope]

D24O wrote...

I say we blem Spoderman.

D2 pls kil spoderman

[Epique Phael767]

Jawsomebob wrote...

 
(according to EA). 

 

Yeah, I'm sure it was really all Bioware's fault and EA had absolutely nothing at all to do with it.

/sarcasm

[Atakuma]

crimzontearz wrote...
2: too ****ING bad for him, the result was still in poor taste especially for all those who really only wanted that to be clarified since destroy seems not to have been given much on the clarification department

You are making a big deal out of nothing.