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[AlanC9]

M25105 wrote...
Speaks volume about how EA fails, when they have to rely on one game meeting its deadline or else they're screwed. 

Right.So the answer is to... let developers take all the time and spend all the money they want?

[DaBigDragon]

macrocarl wrote...

Oh you guys! And oh this silly thread!
So let me get this straight: When someone doesn't like part of a BW game it's because it's rushed by EA and/ or because the endings are being defended by the devs then it must be 'artistic integrity'. Which has turned into a bad thing even though there are folks here who worry that EA is controlling them too much.
Also, when the EC was released it was because BW was admitting they were 'wrong' but since it was free it was really them catering to a vocal minority/ majority/ true fan base, which was bad too. And now if EA says that they stay out of BW's creative way then it really means that something is the opposite and is also very very bad?
And now, because Casey Hudson doesn't post in a forum filled with butt hurt (BSN) then it must be because he's 'hiding/ ashamed'.

Did any of you ever consider that maybe devs don't post more here because this forum is filled with a bunch on insane people who can't be pleased, won't budge on your opinion no matter what, are incredibly condescending, and use terminology that someone misrepresented from scanning Wikipedia as an actual argument? Does that honestly sound like an environment for constructive feedback?



(SPOILER ALERT: The answer is 'no')

*clap clap* Bravo! Couldn't have said it better.

[Mahrac]

Why are they throwing this in to the pot now? Why not when the controversy started, or just not say it?

[DeathScepter]

As an self admitted Bioware Fan, I do say **** NO. But EA did help make Dead Space good. So they are not all bad..........

[Rommel49]

M25105 wrote...

The thing is, both are too blame. Bioware for coming up with this horrible ending and EA for giving them an unreasonable deadline. The only that got shafted here are us, the consumers.

Well, that, and potentially the franchise in general. For more than a few people, the last installment kinda put a major damper on even trying to go through the previous ones, simply because we know about the train wreck that's coming. Without majorly repairing the current installment (Priority Earth and the ending tend to draw the most displeasure) and/or rebuilding trust with the customer base, I only see the franchise digging itself into a deeper hole.

But yeah, it's pretty obvious it was rushed, given the mismatches in tone and narrative; the underwhelming nature of the finale compared to say, the Suicide Mission from the second installment, and the litany of broken promises, etc. about what we could expect.

[Ridwan]

AlanC9 wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Speaks volume about how EA fails, when they have to rely on one game meeting its deadline or else they're screwed. 

Right.So the answer is to... let developers take all the time and spend all the money they want?

If they can deliver and have a good track record, yes. Believe it or not, games that take incredible long to develop like Duke Nukem Forever is the exception, not the rule.

[wafflez]

"Casey is an artist"

LOL

[Maria Caliban]

Atakuma wrote...

No, it got a three month delay. They asked for six.

I misremembered then. Thank you.

[Sailears]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I like Casey Hudson. He was project lead on each game. Anybody that ever gave a damn about Mass Effect should be thanking him

Well said.

A bit disrespectful to hate on them, given the franchise wouldn't exist if it weren't for their creativity and hard work.

Like most players I can only speculate as to exactly why and how ME3 (and ME2) turned out in the way it did. To go around blaming and hating individuals who have contributed much good not only to these games, but to the entire industry, is not acceptable.

Edit: Yes I'm not keen what Mac and co did with the overall plot of ME3 (and of ME2) - maybe it would have been "better" (certainly different) if it had been a different person, or group structure - again I can only speculate.
But he was responsible for several amazing characters worthy of appreciation.

Modifié par Curunen, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:37 .

[GarrusIsMyBro]

eddieoctane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes. EA did not write this. No sane executive would have let this out the door.

I've been saying this for MONTHS.

So? ea was the ones who didn't give them enough time to make a proper ending. The still are at fault.

EA were also the ones who forced MP functions into the game. If given the same budget and no MP features, there would have been far more SP content for a decidely SP game. EA still sucks again.

I for one, enjoy the multiplayer aspect of the game. I would have bought ME3 even if it did not have it and I probably would have enjoyed it, but multiplayer  has been extremely fun for me and keeps me playing the game.

[Ridwan]

Rommel49 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

The thing is, both are too blame. Bioware for coming up with this horrible ending and EA for giving them an unreasonable deadline. The only that got shafted here are us, the consumers.

Well, that, and potentially the franchise in general. For more than a few people, the last installment kinda put a major damper on even trying to go through the previous ones, simply because we know about the train wreck that's coming. Without majorly repairing the current installment (Priority Earth and the ending tend to draw the most displeasure) and/or rebuilding trust with the customer base, I only see the franchise digging itself into a deeper hole.

But yeah, it's pretty obvious it was rushed, given the mismatches in tone and narrative; the underwhelming nature of the finale compared to say, the Suicide Mission from the second installment, and the litany of broken promises, etc. about what we could expect.

Which is why Bioware deserves their share of the blame, if they honestly couldn't figure out that this ending would ****** people off, then it shows how far removed they are from what people want. The small "I only watch Japanese films where they just talk and drink tea and talk about how great they are" niche crowd doesn't represent the average player. The average player plays games to feel awesome, not to be forced to experience someone elses story.

If EA had given ME 3 the appropriate amount of time, and the two figure heads responsible for the ending took off their pretend art hat, ME 3 could've been the game of the year that could've been a cash cow for years on end with DLC.

Modifié par M25105, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:36 .

[El Mito]

Lol @ "you should respect and admire Casey Hudson." Give me a break, him and Walters are responsible for the implosion of the ME series because of their out of control egos. He deserves nothing from me.

[Ozida]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I like Casey Hudson. He was project lead on each game. Anybody that ever gave a damn about Mass Effect should be thanking him

I respect Mr. Hudson for his past work. However, it doesn't make me obligated to love everything he does.
BioWare has made a bad call with ME3, in my opinion, and the fact they haven't acknowledge it publically pushed me to lose respect for them. And, oh yes, EA employers never told me to "f**k off" if I had an issue with their product. Amazing, I know!

[Ryoten]

El Mito wrote...

Lol @ "you should respect and admire Casey Hudson." Give me a break, him and Walters are responsible for the implosion of the ME series because of their out of control egos. He deserves nothing from me.

[shepskisaac]

El Mito wrote...

Lol @ "you should respect and admire Casey Hudson." Give me a break, him and Walters are responsible for the implosion of the ME series because of their out of control egos. He deserves nothing from me.

Nothing more? You do realize Casey is the main person responsible for the existance of this franchise and Mac is responsible for some of the most popular characters in it like Garrus, Wrex or TIM?

[Eclipse merc]

Mac Walters and Casey Hudson made the endings by themselves, EA iss why it got rushed and the reason for the day one DLC

[Ridwan]

IsaacShep wrote...

El Mito wrote...

Lol @ "you should respect and admire Casey Hudson." Give me a break, him and Walters are responsible for the implosion of the ME series because of their out of control egos. He deserves nothing from me.

Nothing more? You do realize Casey is the main person responsible for the existance of this franchise and Mac is responsible for some of the most popular characters in it like Garrus, Wrex or TIM?

And? I think some of you guys are taking dev love a bit too far. Hell, I love Mario games, doesn't mean I have to admire and respect Miyamoto. But it does mean I can trust him to make a good game.

If you're looking for someone to admire, try Enson Inoue.

[Cutlass Jack]

IsaacShep wrote...

Nothing more? You do realize Casey is the main person responsible for the existance of this franchise and Mac is responsible for some of the most popular characters in it like Garrus, Wrex or TIM?

Yep hundreds of hours of enjoyment mean nothing in comparison to a bad ten minutes.

[Cainne Chapel]

So what if casey and mac has a misstep at the end? I'm not going to hate on them because I didnt like one small aspect of an otherwise GREAT series.

For instance, I Love Michael Jai White (both as a eprson and an actor, great guy) but just because he did a few movies I think are crap, doesnt mean I'll forever think his movies are horrible and that is ahorrible person deserving of my spite.

Was the ending of ME3 perfect? No, I highly doubt any ending would of been, but to hate two of the guys who contributed so much to the series from the very beginning, over what SOME perceive as a poor ending, i think is just silly.

[Jawsomebob]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nothing more? You do realize Casey is the main person responsible for the existance of this franchise and Mac is responsible for some of the most popular characters in it like Garrus, Wrex or TIM?

Yep hundreds of hours of enjoyment mean nothing in comparison to a bad ten minutes.

It's like getting 50 great BJ then finding out she has a penis. Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad. 

[Rommel49]

M25105 wrote...

Rommel49 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

The thing is, both are too blame. Bioware for coming up with this horrible ending and EA for giving them an unreasonable deadline. The only that got shafted here are us, the consumers.

Well, that, and potentially the franchise in general. For more than a few people, the last installment kinda put a major damper on even trying to go through the previous ones, simply because we know about the train wreck that's coming. Without majorly repairing the current installment (Priority Earth and the ending tend to draw the most displeasure) and/or rebuilding trust with the customer base, I only see the franchise digging itself into a deeper hole.

But yeah, it's pretty obvious it was rushed, given the mismatches in tone and narrative; the underwhelming nature of the finale compared to say, the Suicide Mission from the second installment, and the litany of broken promises, etc. about what we could expect.

Which is why Bioware deserves their share of the blame, if they honestly couldn't figure out that this ending would ****** people off, then it shows how far removed they are from what people want. The small "I only watch Japanese films where they just talk and drink tea and talk about how great they are" niche crowd doesn't represent the average player. The average player plays games to feel awesome, not to be forced to experience someone elses story.

If EA had given ME 3 the appropriate amount of time, and the two figure heads responsible for the ending took off their pretend art hat, ME 3 could've been the game of the year that could've been a cash cow for years on end with DLC.

Basically. It's why I think IT is so popular, it fits the narrative, and it allows a potential "out" or do-over to even try and fix the mess and provide the franchise with anything resembling a viable future.

As I said in another thread; the "art" excuse is a joke too, on so many levels - they've credited the community as being "co-creators", the community's come up with far better ideas.

[Sailears]

El Mito wrote...

Lol @ "you should respect and admire Casey Hudson." Give me a break, him and Walters are responsible for the implosion of the ME series because of their out of control egos. He deserves nothing from me.

That's not fair at all.

I don't like how ME3 turned out as much as the next person - for heaven's sake, I even don't like ME2 for being an unworthy sequel.

Anyone following development before the release of ME1 would have been dissatisfied with how certain features turned out there (the uncharted worlds for example).

No one's saying you have to write them a valentine's card... But equally, hating them is just as stupid.

Have fun without any of the games existing, without Wrex existing, and with none of us discussing this in this forum. <_<

[Wayning_Star]

OP, is there a point to all this? I sure don't see one.

[AlanC9]

M25105 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Speaks volume about how EA fails, when they have to rely on one game meeting its deadline or else they're screwed. 

Right.So the answer is to... let developers take all the time and spend all the money they want?

If they can deliver and have a good track record, yes. Believe it or not, games that take incredible long to develop like Duke Nukem Forever is the exception, not the rule.

A lot of publishers have felt this way. There's a reason why EA's here and they're not, just as there's a reason why Bio had to sell out to EA.

[Robhuzz]

Easy to lay the blame solely at BioWare's feet. Sure they wrote that atrocity they call an ending but it was EA who pushed BioWare to release the game before it was even remotely done. They are as much at fault here as BioWare, like it or not.