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[TygerHeart]

EA doesn't really do anything to the companies it gobbles up except guarantee a paycheck.

Most companies think this is a good thing, and for the employees it really is.

But what seems to happen is someone in the Band ... er... studio... decides to use the new found freedom of funding to take things in new, more artistic directions.

[Ridwan]

AlanC9 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

M25105 wrote...
Speaks volume about how EA fails, when they have to rely on one game meeting its deadline or else they're screwed. 

Right.So the answer is to... let developers take all the time and spend all the money they want?

If they can deliver and have a good track record, yes. Believe it or not, games that take incredible long to develop like Duke Nukem Forever is the exception, not the rule.

A lot of publishers have felt this way. There's a reason why EA's here and they're not, just as there's a reason why Bio had to sell out to EA.

Are you actually defending EA?

[shepskisaac]

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting 50 great BJ then finding out she has a penis. Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad.

Ohh but the final revelation doesn't change that you enjoyed those great BJs now does it?

[Ridwan]

IsaacShep wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting 50 great BJ then finding out she has a penis. Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad.

Ohh but the final revelation doesn't change that you enjoyed those great BJs now does it?

Doesn't matter it's still a dude, so the horror that takes over is far worse.

[blueumi]

ea did not say put star child who makes no sense in this game and they did not tell bioware to anger and upset any one who ever cared about this game thats bioware who did that not ea

bioware should get the backlash that they are getting they ruined this game

[Jawsomebob]

IsaacShep wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting 50 great BJ then finding out she has a penis. Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad.

Ohh but the final revelation doesn't change that you enjoyed those great BJs now does it?

yes but I wouldn't get any more (or be able to replay any games) after that. 

It ruins future enjoyment of the ME/BJ universe. 

Modifié par Jawsomebob, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:56 .

[AlanC9]

Robhuzz wrote...

Easy to lay the blame solely at BioWare's feet. Sure they wrote that atrocity they call an ending but it was EA who pushed BioWare to release the game before it was even remotely done. They are as much at fault here as BioWare, like it or not.

What makes you think they write a different ending if they had more money?

Unless the point is just that the EC or something like it would have been included, and that would have been OK.

[Robhuzz]

M25105 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting 50 great BJ then finding out she has a penis. Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad.

Ohh but the final revelation doesn't change that you enjoyed those great BJs now does it?

Doesn't matter it's still a dude, so the horror that takes over is far worse.

This. You may have enjoyed it at the time but with that relevelation every good memory about it is instantly shattered and replaced with horror.

What makes you think they write a different ending if they had more money?

Unless the point is just that the EC or something like it would have been included, and that would have been OK. 

I didn't say money. I said time. It's quite different.

In order to actually finish the game the way they wanted, BioWare would've needed until december 2012. EA didn't want to release the game past the 2011 financial year (march '11) and so BioWare was forced to ditch their original ideas and go with something quick. And from what I heard Mac and Casey didn't actually write this ending by themselves, nor are the people at BioWare actually happy with what happened.

The whole 'lots of speculation for everybody' was also to disguise the obvious truth: They didn't WANT to end the series like this and have people headcanon the ending, they HAD to do it this way for lack of time.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting ...<snip>... Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad. 

classy analogy. But if it took you that long to figure it out then she was doing something right.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:58 .

[shepskisaac]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting 50 great BJ then finding out she has a penis. Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad. 

classy analogy. But if it took you that long to figure it out then she was doing something right.

thehehe

[AlanC9]

M25105 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Right.So the answer is to... let developers take all the time and spend all the money they want?

If they can deliver and have a good track record, yes. Believe it or not, games that take incredible long to develop like Duke Nukem Forever is the exception, not the rule.

A lot of publishers have felt this way. There's a reason why EA's here and they're not, just as there's a reason why Bio had to sell out to EA.

Are you actually defending EA?

As far as ME3 is concerned, sure. I don't see anything wrong with the game that isn't Bio's fault.

As for EA and Bio generally... I'm not sure EA is pushing Bio anyplace they didn't already want to go. Bio never wanted to be a niche developer in the first place.

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:05 .

[Ridwan]

IsaacShep wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting 50 great BJ then finding out she has a penis. Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad. 

classy analogy. But if it took you that long to figure it out then she was doing something right.

thehehe

I had a great gif ready for this, but since I don't wanna get banned, here's a picture instead.

Modifié par M25105, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:08 .

[KingZayd]

M25105 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting 50 great BJ then finding out she has a penis. Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad.

Ohh but the final revelation doesn't change that you enjoyed those great BJs now does it?

Doesn't matter it's still a dude, so the horror that takes over is far worse.

+1

[Ridwan]

AlanC9 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

M25105 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Right.So the answer is to... let developers take all the time and spend all the money they want?

If they can deliver and have a good track record, yes. Believe it or not, games that take incredible long to develop like Duke Nukem Forever is the exception, not the rule.

A lot of publishers have felt this way. There's a reason why EA's here and they're not, just as there's a reason why Bio had to sell out to EA.

Are you actually defending EA?

As far as ME3 is concerned, sure. I don't see anything wrong with the game that isn't Bio's fault.

So the fact of the matter they they developed this game in less than 2 years when it was obvious they needed far more time to make all the cool stuff we wanted, isn't EA's fault?

[Wayning_Star]

most of these complaints are beyond 'loving' ME game. It's something else entirely.. Folks are riding a troll train...and that's about it with this stuff.

kind of boring really.

[Jawsomebob]

M25105 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting 50 great BJ then finding out she has a penis. Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad.

Ohh but the final revelation doesn't change that you enjoyed those great BJs now does it?

Doesn't matter it's still a dude, so the horror that takes over is far worse.

yup the horror of the ME3 ending is exactly the same feeling. 

[Kel Riever]

Remember, whenever a game has an atrocious ending...

...it is the fans' fault.

[shepskisaac]

M25105 wrote...

U think you're funny?

[Jawsomebob]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

It's like getting ...<snip>... Thats what Mass effect 3 ending did to me...this is why people are mad. 

classy analogy. But if it took you that long to figure it out then she was doing something right.

Bioware was doing something right....right till the end...then I found Biowares private parts (the catylist) and I was not happy. 

[Ridwan]

IsaacShep wrote...

M25105 wrote...

U think you're funny?

Yes.

[AlanC9]

M25105 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
As far as ME3 is concerned, sure. I don't see anything wrong with the game that isn't Bio's fault.

So the fact of the matter they they developed this game in less than 2 years when it was obvious they needed far more time to make all the cool stuff we wanted, isn't EA's fault?

Nope. Bio's style is and always has been to provide choice without much effort at portraying the consequences during the game (rather than offscreen or after the end), and to make almost all content available to all players, since most players don't replay the games.

Most of the cool stuff people are asking for is stuff that Bio just doesn't do, and has never had much interest in doing. More dev time gives you more of the same, not a re-think of the way Bio allocates their time.

In retrospect, doing a trilogy at all was a mistake, since it reveals the limitations of Bio's style.

Modifié par AlanC9, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:21 .

[Ridwan]

I think I just entered the twillight zone.

[CrutchCricket]

In a nutshell:

"We are not responsible for Hudson [and Walters] projectile-vomiting into a CD case. We just gave them the booze, patted them on the back to get the last of it, stamped our logo on it and sent it to print."

Thanks, EA. Glad you cleared that up.

[PrimeOfValor]

Jawsomebob wrote...

This is the coolest thing ever:

I saw a few song line on Jeremy Jahn's review on Me3 and it was awesome!

[Thaa_solon]

M25105 wrote...

I think I just entered the twillight zone.

Where we're going we don't need threads....