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#226
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The Night Mammoth wrote...

It can, along with design. 

But you don't know the scale, like I've said maybe ten times now.

Yet you say that I contradict myself. Again how is scale meaningless when scale classifies what ships are.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Because Sovereign is dead at that point. Harbinger can't aid Sovereign when it's dead. The point is that it acted alone. Whatever happens after you destroy it is irrelevant.

It doesn't matter if Sovreign was dead because the Reapers changed their mind on this cycle especially when looking at humanity.  If it was irrelevent then Harbinger wouldn't be in ME2 with what role he had.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

You're just deliberately ignoring what I'm saying, aren't you?

I'm not focusing on what the Leviathans are saying, you are. I'm using both sources to discover the truth, which is that the Leviathans were slaughtered without warning and turned into Reapers without their consent. The Catalyst, which has first hand experience because it was there, says this when you question him about the matter. The Leviathans, a second hand source because they only know what their ancestors have told them, say the same thing. They do not tell you different renditions of what happens, so the two sources corroborate to produce a fact.

I'm not ignoring anthing especially when the Leviathans tell some of the story while most of the story is from the Catalyst.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

They aren't saying something different.

Yet the only difference is based on willingness, which the Leviathans aren't sure about.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

It only matters when their's descrepancy in what you're being told. Whether it's a primary or secondary source would only matter if the Leviathans were telling a different story to the Catalyst, but they aren't, so it doesn't matter. 

The actual specifics of the World Trade Center event don't matter in the analogy. It's just a comparison to show how flawed that line of reasoning is.

Again1st hand is always better then 2nd hand.  The World Trade Center is a different scenario especially when most of humanity wasn't killed during that event.  Insulting people is still useless.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Nope.

Insults are normally linked to rage and you're still mad while its not as bad.

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That you don't know what a contradiction is? 

Oh no I think he does.

Again too bad Inigo Montoya doesn't share your opinion since that would be a conflict of character.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 15 septembre 2012 - 08:01 .


#228
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Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

That you don't know what a contradiction is? 

Oh no I think he does.

Again too bad Inigo Montoya doesn't share your opinion since that would be a conflict of character.


Meh, whatever.

Go look in a dictionary and find out what it means before you use it again. 

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Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you say that I contradict myself. Again how is scale meaningless when scale classifies what ships are.


Lies, I never said you contradicted yourself. 

Again, you don't know what the scale is. 

It doesn't matter if Sovreign was dead because the Reapers changed their mind on this cycle especially when looking at humanity.  If it was irrelevent then Harbinger wouldn't be in ME2 with what role he had.


Sovereign acted alone. End of story. Anything else is irrelevant. 

I'm not ignoring anthing especially when the Leviathans tell some of the story while most of the story is from the Catalyst.


Irrelevant. They tell the same tale. 

Yet the only difference is based on willingness, which the Leviathans aren't sure about.


The Leviathans are 100% certain that they were all surprise attacked and slaughtered. 

Again1st hand is always better then 2nd hand.


How many times do I need to explain? It's irrelevant to the point.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 15 septembre 2012 - 08:44 .


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Yes, I would have preferred a way to win in Mass Effect, instead of meekly co-operating with the Reaper program.

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Absolutely it would have been better. Heck, Halo 2 was a better ending and it was basically a cut off because they didn't have the budget or time to continue with the plot. A clown coming in and saying that all the Reapers were really dreams of a child would have been a better ending. Basically, it was a "pretty funny how bad it was" ending.

As for conventional ending.... yes it would have been better. You didn't spend the whole game building the cruicible, you didn't gather parts for it, you didn't gather scientists, you didn't actively do anything with it, you didn't even visit its location while to check the status....General Hacket did that. You were building an army, which didn't matter. That's essentially why people say "what you did doesn't matter".

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Don't feed trolls...

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Twilight was a better story than Mass Effect 3.

I'm going to hell.

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

That you don't know what a contradiction is? 

Oh no I think he does.

Again too bad Inigo Montoya doesn't share your opinion since that would be a conflict of character.


Meh, whatever.

Go look in a dictionary and find out what it means before you use it again.

Haters gonna hate even when dictionaries aren't your friends.

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

Lies, I never said you contradicted yourself. 

Again, you don't know what the scale is.

Yet you keep on contradicting yourself. Again how is scale meaningless when scale classifies what ships are especially when Reapers are on the subject.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Sovereign acted alone. End of story. Anything else is irrelevant.

Again it doesn't matter if Sovreign was dead because the Reapers changed their mind on this cycle especially when looking at humanity.  If it was irrelevent then Harbinger wouldn't be in ME2 with what role he had.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Irrelevant. They tell the same tale.

How is it irrelevent when the Leviathans tell some of the story while most of the story is from the Catalyst.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

The Leviathans are 100% certain that they were all surprise attacked and slaughtered.

Yet it is an assumption even when the Catalyst has 1st hand knowledge on this and the Leviathans have 2nd hand knowledge.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

How many times do I need to explain? It's irrelevant to the point.

Again1st hand is always better then 2nd hand.  Opinion isn't fact and you're far from being right.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 septembre 2012 - 03:45 .


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not if star child was still there he is the worst thing in a ending ever he ruined everything that and trying to force synthesis by making it the middle option and trying to make out it's the best option when it's not so no i hate what we are stuck with

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Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

That you don't know what a contradiction is? 

Oh no I think he does.

Again too bad Inigo Montoya doesn't share your opinion since that would be a conflict of character.


Meh, whatever.

Go look in a dictionary and find out what it means before you use it again.

Haters gonna hate even when dictionaries aren't your friends.


Wow, haters gonna hate, must have taken you a while to come up with such a well thought out and logical retort. 

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[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]The Night Mammoth wrote...

Lies, I never said you contradicted yourself. 

Again, you don't know what the scale is.[/quote]Yet you keep on contradicting yourself. [/quote]

No I don't. I've repeatedly stated the same thing maybe twenty times now.

[quote]Again how is scale meaningless when scale classifies what ships are especially when Reapers are on the subject.[/quote]

You don't know the scale. 

Reaper ships are also classified by design. We have no scale, therefore we know it's a capital ship because it looks like a f*cking capital ship, comprende? 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Sovereign acted alone. End of story. Anything else is irrelevant.[/quote]Again it doesn't matter if Sovreign was dead because the Reapers changed their mind on this cycle especially when looking at humanity.  If it was irrelevent then Harbinger wouldn't be in ME2 with what role he had.[/quote]

Irrelevant. Sovereign is dead. Something that is dead cannot recieve help. 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Irrelevant. They tell the same tale. [/quote]How is it irrelevent when the Leviathans tell some of the story while most of the story is from the Catalyst.[/quote]

Because they don't contradict each other. Are you slow? 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

The Leviathans are 100% certain that they were all surprise attacked and slaughtered.[/quote]Yet it is an assumption even when the Catalyst has 1st hand knowledge on this and the Leviathans have 2nd hand knowledge.[/quote]

The Leviathans are just telling you what they've been told by previous Leviathans. It's a story that isn't contradicted by what the Catalyst tells us. 

[quote][quote]The Night Mammoth wrote... 

How many times do I need to explain? It's irrelevant to the point.[/quote]Again1st hand is always better then 2nd hand.[/quote]

Strawman.

[quote]Opinion isn't fact and you're far from being right.[/quote]

I'm completely correct in eveything I'm saying. It's not my fault you can't accept you've been proved wrong about thirty times. 

#239
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Looks like I'm in the wrrrooong part of town.

#240
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You should leave while you still can.

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

You should leave while you still can.


Yea, I don't want to get jumped or anything.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You should leave while you still can.


Yea, I don't want to get jumped or anything.


Jumped? Why, what you tryin' to say, ******, that I'm some sorta' grasshopper?

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Finn the Jakey wrote...

I don't think that conventional victory could have worked, what exactly makes this cycle any better at defeating the Reapers conventially than the hundreds of cycles that came before us?


The reapers have never had to face a united galaxy before. They used to take control of the citadel and control the relay network. They failed our cycle, so we should of been able to win conventionally.

The first two games built us up to a final conflict with the reapers, thinking our decisions would mean the difference between victory or defeat, only to be told that the reapers are invincible, and you only stand a chance with the cruicible.

Worst. ****ing. Writing. EVER!

Screw you mac walters, stick to what you're good at, character writing.

Modifié par brummyuk19, 17 septembre 2012 - 04:20 .


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brummyuk19 wrote...

The reapers have never had to face a united galaxy before. They used to take control of the citadel and control the relay network. They failed our cycle, so we should of been able to win conventionally.


The conclusion doesn't necessarily  follow. Even if cows seize control of a stockyard, they're still not going to win a conventional war with humans.

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jsl1016 wrote...

I for one think they should have just had LESS REAPERS.
(...)
This way, starbrat could have been taken out of the equation and we could have had a bad ass boss battle at the end with Harbinger and TIM.

Would this have made you happy?


To answer you simply: no. I feared the Reapers precisely because they were too powerful and too numerous for even a united galaxy to stop.

We needed some special way of defeating them to uphold the idea of the Reapers being so far beyond any might we could possibly gather ourselves. The Catalyst was just a bad way of doing that. What I would've preferred is someone coming up with some crazy plan that would've been a huge gamble, all or nothing, and then they pull it off, miraculously, not least thanks to Shepard's determination and possibly sacrifice.

Oh, well, we got Crucible, and I'm alright with that now. There's still so many things about the last hour or so that they did very well. All I'm missing now is wrapping it all up with either Shepard dying or Shepard living - not something in-between that's neither/nor and just leaves me feeling like the story ended mid-sentence :unsure: best of all, a reunion with the Normandy crew, doesn't have to be heavy on the romantic stuff, just... a proper goodbye to the Shepard I love. Go out on a good note, you know? The ending now still feels like a song's outro that approaches the tonic but then suddenly stops.

Modifié par Ajensis, 17 septembre 2012 - 07:24 .


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jsl1016 wrote...

I for one think they should have just had LESS REAPERS.
(...)
This way, starbrat could have been taken out of the equation and we could have had a bad ass boss battle at the end with Harbinger and TIM.

Would this have made you happy?



I agree, we should not have had to fight reapers in a game where Cerberus was clearly the primary antagonist. Reapers should have been in ME4. I really think they took away from the threat of Cerberus and kinda devalued them as an antagonist.

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

Wow, haters gonna hate, must have taken you a while to come up with such a well thought out and logical retort. 

Yet its ironic when you're the one thats not ogical based on your heavy reliance on opinion along with logical fallicies like ad hominems and strawmen.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Wow, haters gonna hate, must have taken you a while to come up with such a well thought out and logical retort. 

Yet its ironic when you're the one thats not ogical based on your heavy reliance on opinion along with logical fallicies like ad hominems and strawmen.



nice necro proty. 

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The Night Mammoth wrote...

No I don't. I've repeatedly stated the same thing maybe twenty times now.

Yet you keep on contradicting yourself and running away still won't help you.

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You don't know the scale. 

Reaper ships are also classified by design. We have no scale, therefore we know it's a capital ship because it looks like a f*cking capital ship, comprende?

Actually Reapers are more so classified on scale based n size is one of the major factors of design.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Irrelevant. Sovereign is dead. Something that is dead cannot recieve help.

Again it doesn't matter if Sovreign was dead because the Reapers changed their mind on this cycle especially when looking at humanity.  If it was irrelevent then Harbinger wouldn't be in ME2 with what role he had.

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Because they don't contradict each other. Are you slow?

I see how your fiocusing on ad hominemss again and how its still irrelevent when the Leviathans tell some of the story while most of the story is from the Catalyst

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

The Leviathans are just telling you what they've been told by previous Leviathans. It's a story that isn't contradicted by what the Catalyst tells us.

Again it is an assumption even when the Catalyst has 1st hand knowledge on this and the Leviathans have 2nd hand knowledge.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Strawman.

Yet the strawman is coming from you even when you keep on trying to alter the facts based on opinion.

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I'm completely correct in eveything I'm saying. It's not my fault you can't accept you've been proved wrong about thirty times.

Opinion is always wrong when the facts are being used.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:09 .


#250
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Ithurael wrote...

jsl1016 wrote...

I for one think they should have just had LESS REAPERS.
(...)
This way, starbrat could have been taken out of the equation and we could have had a bad ass boss battle at the end with Harbinger and TIM.

Would this have made you happy?



I agree, we should not have had to fight reapers in a game where Cerberus was clearly the primary antagonist. Reapers should have been in ME4. I really think they took away from the threat of Cerberus and kinda devalued them as an antagonist.

The Reapers were always a main threat in the shadows before ME3 and if Cerberus can't be a main enemy then ME2 woludn't have focused on Cerberus and the Collectors.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:13 .