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[Ithurael]

macrocarl wrote...

jsl1016 wrote...

"Video Gamey"

Likely the WORST phrase ever put "out there" by a video game company representative.

Source please!

Here you go
www.youtube.com/watch

start at 6:23

The line at 7:07

[The_Shootist]

I just want to be able to throw the one ring into the cracks of doom and be done with it.

Modifié par The_Shootist, 11 septembre 2012 - 10:30 .

[Ithurael]

FluffyCannibal wrote...

...But the great thing about Mass Effect is that it isn't conventional. A conventional ending would've felt like a let-down. And, if there had been less Reapers, then it wouldn't have felt as...scary, I guess is the closest I can come to describing it. ME3 wouldn't have been as enjoyable for me if I didn't feel like I was probably going to lose.

I think a final conventional vicotry would have been a bit too much.

Remember in LOTR: Return of the King. The battle of Minas Tirith was almost won conventionally (yeah the ghosts at the end w/e)

But I was kinda expecting something like that. We take back earth in one big fight (done conventionally) only to have the grand "Final Battle" somewhere else. And in that finale, we use the crucible to finally defeat the reapers.

[Ithurael]

LOL

I just found this

www.youtube.com/watch

Please note: This is Pre EC

Actually, this video sums up and provides a pretty decent analysis of what went wrong with ME3

Modifié par Ithurael, 11 septembre 2012 - 10:43 .

[Baa Baa]

Ithurael wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

jsl1016 wrote...

"Video Gamey"

Likely the WORST phrase ever put "out there" by a video game company representative.

Source please!

Here you go
www.youtube.com/watch

start at 6:23

The line at 7:07

So, Casey Hudson then didn't want to do a boss fight because he has a phobia for tentacles, probably from Hentai, that **** is scary, then decided, since most bosses have tentacles, there shouldn't be any bosses?
What? Dead Space had a tentacled boss, that thing was badass, and no other recent game really has a final tentacled boss....
WHY WOULD THAT MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OUT THE ENTIRE BOSS FIGHT *FACEPALM X1000*

[JamieCOTC]

I liked the core idea of what they were trying to do, that in essence, Shepard becomes the catalyst for change in the galaxy, but it got bogged down in "speculation from everyone" and the whole singularity concept. Also, the ending storyline is ultimately about Shepard saving a faceless galaxy by interacting w/ a character we have little to no attachment to and that's not a very compelling climax to the trilogy.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 11 septembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[Code_R]

jsl1016 wrote...
 The fact that it still upsets so many people 6 months later SHOULD tell Bioware something. At least you would think...

Who knows what they think <_<

[Jawsomebob]

Code_R wrote...

jsl1016 wrote...
 The fact that it still upsets so many people 6 months later SHOULD tell Bioware something. At least you would think...

Who knows what they think <_<

They think this will go away....and I am telling them No way. 

[Ithurael]

I have a funny feeling that this thread may get locked, but for what it is worth. I do support you OP.

Bioware did drop the ball on ME3. I don't know what they were thinking but somehow in the decision making process and development they went askew. Perhaps it was their intentions to make this game bigger than big that paved this road to hell. MrBtounge theorized that they wanted the ending to be profound in theme and subject matter.

The problem is, like he said, it should arise naturally from the story. The ending really did not.

There are other problems besides the endings that are perhaps more glaring in the Post EC world. but for now...I..don't know

[MegaSovereign]

So if I don't hate the endings then I'm not welcomed right?

[cerberus1701]

MegaSovereign wrote...

So if I don't hate the endings then I'm not welcomed right?

Nope. He apparently has the power to dictate who posts here because he owns 5 shares of common stock.

[Mcfly616]

Whoopdi doo

[D24O]

MegaSovereign wrote...

So if I don't hate the endings then I'm not welcomed right?

Leave heretic.

[MegaSovereign]

D24O wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So if I don't hate the endings then I'm not welcomed right?

Leave heretic.

So it's either be rewritten or be destroyed.

Ehhh.

[Code_R]

Jawsomebob wrote...

Code_R wrote...

jsl1016 wrote...
 The fact that it still upsets so many people 6 months later SHOULD tell Bioware something. At least you would think...

Who knows what they think <_<

They think this will go away....and I am telling them No way. 

Excellent

[The Spamming Troll]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

If the ending made me feel the same way this song does: www.youtube.com/watch

Link fixed.

And hell yes, OP. I hated the endings because they're flat out absurd, not because I didn't get enough "clarity and closure".
I'd easily give up the latter to address the former.

exactly.

when im talking about how stupid i think ME3 is, i actually feel dumb talking about it. exactly like when i used to complain about how dumb i thought enemy protections were in ME2.  idk how people can enjoy it. like a wave of dumb is poured over me talking about the crucible, starchild, and synthesis. its impossible for me to not feel that way. ill never forget liara mentioning the crucible in ME3, and how much my entire body felt let down. THIS is how were gonna beat the reapers! THEN i meet starchild and get introduced to synthesis. it was worse then i thought. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN???!!??!?!?

i pick destroy, because thats what ive been trying to do since day 1. i wont let ten minutes change everything ive set out to do just becasue of a few magic works. i pick destroy because it makes "sense." 

lol, it really doesnt make sense. its trying to make sense of the senseless and its ****ing awful.

but i headcannon a pretty epic refuse.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 11 septembre 2012 - 11:23 .

[inversevideo]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

If the ending made me feel the same way this song does: www.youtube.com/watch

Link fixed.

And hell yes, OP. I hated the endings because they're flat out absurd, not because I didn't get enough "clarity and closure".
I'd easily give up the latter to address the former.

This.

Though I do not believe in conventional victory. Nor do I really want to argue that.  

I would have been happy if the crucible, which was ME3s Manhattan Project, just worked, and we ended things at 'best seats in the house'.  If Shepard lived after that, great, though I was prepared for her to die.

Modifié par inversevideo, 11 septembre 2012 - 11:28 .

[grey_wind]

The Reapers are purposely overpowered in ME3 so that we are forced to go with the thrice damned Crucible.
Had the writers actually explored why the Reapers need to shut off the relays and conquer the galaxy one system at a time, then they could have justified a conventional victory by concluding that the Reapers simply don't have the numbers to stand up to a united galaxy, no matter how powerful an individual Reaper is. A conventional victory should have been incredibly hard to achieve, but it should have been possible. It's the only victory that truly resonates with the ME franchise on a thematic level, and would be the most satisfying.

[Ithurael]

Code_R wrote...

jsl1016 wrote...
 The fact that it still upsets so many people 6 months later SHOULD tell Bioware something. At least you would think...

Who knows what they think <_<

They thought this about Dragon Age II

Looks like their thinking may not have deviated too much with ME3

I feel sad:crying:

www.nowgamer.com/news/919569/bioware_we_want_call_of_dutys_audience.html

[Sable Rhapsody]

jsl1016 wrote...
Now, for those of you that hated the ending, would you have found it better if they had made Conventional Victory possible?

Funnily enough, no.  I think conventional victory would've cheapened the Reapers as villains.  Part of what makes them so scary is that you can't win against them with armies or fleets.  Though I would've preferred a creative solution (using other AI against them a la the geth or the Virtual Race) instead of the Crucible.

I don't mind a less-than-100% happy ending.  I just wanted an ending that made sense.  I think now that ME3 as shipped should've included Javik, Leviathan, the Extended Cut, and much more foreshadowing of the Catalyst.  Then I would've been ok with it.  Not my favorite ending, but it would at least have something of a narrative thread.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 12 septembre 2012 - 12:23 .

[Darth Asriel]

The endings were nonsensical, illogical drivel. They weren't deep or artistic. They were lazy and wreaking of hubris.

Conventional victory should have always been an option for those willing to put in the amount of work.

[Darth Asriel]

grey_wind wrote...

The Reapers are purposely overpowered in ME3 so that we are forced to go with the thrice damned Crucible.
Had the writers actually explored why the Reapers need to shut off the relays and conquer the galaxy one system at a time, then they could have justified a conventional victory by concluding that the Reapers simply don't have the numbers to stand up to a united galaxy, no matter how powerful an individual Reaper is. A conventional victory should have been incredibly hard to achieve, but it should have been possible. It's the only victory that truly resonates with the ME franchise on a thematic level, and would be the most satisfying.

^ is full of logic and win! A deadly combination:O

[jsl1016]

KingZayd wrote...

Yes if there's no Starchild appearance (or that the Starchild is a trap)

Oh yeah. Obviously NO STARBRAT!! LOL!

[The Night Mammoth]

I would have overlooked much of the other problems because my personal sense of self-satisfaction at beating the game via explosions and killing Reapers would be fulfilled.

Kind of like how ME2's ending was a 'dis hurt mai brane' moment in plot and lore terms but I still jumped up and shouted "f*ck yeah!" when the Collector Base blew up. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 12 septembre 2012 - 01:58 .

[Epique Phael767]

Conventional victory presented in a cutscene with ALL of our war assets acrually doing something was what should have happened. Victory and victory at all costs in ME's theme, not creator vs. created.