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[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I haven't given my opinion of Priority: Earth as a mission. I already said I thought ME2's ending was terrible in terms of plot, so it's not 'different'. 

Nice try though.

Yet it is "different" because its the "cool thing to do" when its directed at ME3 even when that opinion causes contradicts to appear in ME1 and ME2.  Again all 3 of the last missions in the ME games were handled the same as a good set of multiple missions.

ME1 was fine both gameplay and plot-wise. 

ME2 was fantastic gameplay-wise but was largely terrible plot-wise.

ME3 was average gameplay-wise, and shockingly bad plot-wise. 

Just my opinion, from experience. 

[DrGunjah]

Blueprotoss wrote...

DrGunjah wrote...

Actually, now that I have played ME3 I don't get why the endboss in ME2 is a human-like reaper, if all other reapers look like leviathan. Though when playing ME2 I didn't have this information, so it was ok back then.
Priority:earth just feels so wrong to me at so many points.. why don't the reapers turn off the beam? why does shepard survive harbingers beam? why doesn't harbinger shoot the normandy at high EMS ending? how have anderson and TIM made it to the citadel? just some of them...

The human-Reaper looked like that in ME2 based on it was far from finished thus it didn't have its shell.  To be fair nobody has those answers other then Shepard wasn't a direct target of Harbinger's blast, the Normandy still has its Reaper IFF from ME2 time, we don't know if Shepard blacked at after the beam, and TIM went to the Citdael before yo fought Kai Leng for the last time.

so basically you assume that every sovereign class reaper has something like a "pilot" inside that looks like the harvested race? quite a stretch.
I heard about that reaper IFF thing though imho it's unlikely harbinger doesn't realize that it's not a reaper if it's just some hundred meters away and evacuating people he just shot at 10 seconds before.
Ok TIM went to citadel and found that room nobody before has ever seen (seems so) but what about anderson?
I know in the intro it seems like he can run faster than usain bolt when he just overtakes you while running and such... though still unlikely harbinger wasn't able to kill him... anyway, the whole beam run scene doesn't make sense imho. you see soldier after soldier being atomized by harbinger and retreat is still not an option? You gathered this huge armada during the game, killed two reapers and now this is your best plan? running down a hill that has zero cover? By foot? in front of the biggest badass reaper of all times? really?

[Mcfly616]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

actually I did it because his comment was there simply to incite, as well as the OP expressly stating that pro-enders were not welcome on this thread.  You have your threads, we have ours.  Also he used the derogitory term "haters" which I take offence to.  I love this series, otherwise I would not still be here.

Sorry, but this part is joke. I'm here from the releasing day and there wasn't even one pro-ender thread which wasn't attacked and mostly totally destroyed by anti-enders. And terms, that they used, were sometimes much, much worse then haters.

indeed.

So you stoop to their level?

How mature...

stoop to who's level? The haters? As you can see, I'm not mindlessly bashing anybody or hating on them for having a different opinion than my own. In fact, I'm simply commenting on the topic. I'd have to stoop pretty low to be on that level, and I haven't even started stooping yet lol Way to make an assumption though

[Pitznik]

DrGunjah wrote...


so basically you assume that every sovereign class reaper has something like a "pilot" inside that looks like the harvested race? quite a stretch.

It is an official explanation made by Mac Walters in an interview between ME2 and ME3. While some people consider it a retcon to avoid having every Reaper unique, Bioware's Patrick Weekes claims that was the idea even when ME2 was developed, and suicide mission was meant to show all stages of Reaper construction, including putting the larva aka protoreaper aka "a pilot" into the Sovereign-like outer shell.

Interview with Mac Walters, third question

Interview ith Patrick Weekes, fifteenth question

[DrGunjah]

Pitznik wrote...

DrGunjah wrote...


so basically you assume that every sovereign class reaper has something like a "pilot" inside that looks like the harvested race? quite a stretch.

It is an official explanation made by Mac Walters in an interview between ME2 and ME3. While some people consider it a retcon to avoid having every Reaper unique, Bioware's Patrick Weekes claims that was the idea even when ME2 was developed, and suicide mission was meant to show all stages of Reaper construction, including putting the larva aka protoreaper aka "a pilot" into the Sovereign-like outer shell.

Interview with Mac Walters, third question

Interview ith Patrick Weekes, fifteenth question

yeah just realized it in another thread. I still think it's lame, however it's an explanation. thanks.
the main discussion was about priority:earth though

[Blueprotoss]

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

And let's not forget the Leviathans that can destroy the Capital Ships in one shot with their magic spheres.  Bioware just shot themselves in the foot if they are trying to get across the point that conventional victory isn't possible.

That was a Destroyer not a Capital.  An example of a Capital ship is Harbinger.

That was capital ship, actually.

Yet that was detroyer.

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I haven't given my opinion of Priority: Earth as a mission. I already said I thought ME2's ending was terrible in terms of plot, so it's not 'different'. 

Nice try though.

Yet it is "different" because its the "cool thing to do" when its directed at ME3 even when that opinion causes contradicts to appear in ME1 and ME2.  Again all 3 of the last missions in the ME games were handled the same as a good set of multiple missions.

ME1 was fine both gameplay and plot-wise. 

ME2 was fantastic gameplay-wise but was largely terrible plot-wise.

ME3 was average gameplay-wise, and shockingly bad plot-wise. 

Just my opinion, from experience. 

Its fine as opinion even when it sounds like I feel the same about ME1 and ME2.

[Pitznik]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

And let's not forget the Leviathans that can destroy the Capital Ships in one shot with their magic spheres.  Bioware just shot themselves in the foot if they are trying to get across the point that conventional victory isn't possible.

That was a Destroyer not a Capital.  An example of a Capital ship is Harbinger.

That was capital ship, actually.

Yet that was detroyer.

Wrong.

[Blueprotoss]

DrGunjah wrote...

so basically you assume that every sovereign class reaper has something like a "pilot" inside that looks like the harvested race? quite a stretch.

Each of the Reapers insides vary based on what one species made it then a shell is made to encase it.  This was briefly explained in ME2.

DrGunjah wrote... 

I heard about that reaper IFF thing though imho it's unlikely harbinger doesn't realize that it's not a reaper if it's just some hundred meters away and evacuating people he just shot at 10 seconds before.

If Harbinger saw the Normandy as a threat or noticed it then he would have shot it down.

DrGunjah wrote... 

Ok TIM went to citadel and found that room nobody before has ever seen (seems so) but what about anderson?
I know in the intro it seems like he can run faster than usain bolt when he just overtakes you while running and such... though still unlikely harbinger wasn't able to kill him... anyway, the whole beam run scene doesn't make sense imho. you see soldier after soldier being atomized by harbinger and retreat is still not an option? You gathered this huge armada during the game, killed two reapers and now this is your best plan? running down a hill that has zero cover? By foot? in front of the biggest badass reaper of all times? really?

TIM is working with the Reapers and we don't know if Shepard paced out after the beam.  Why wouldn't the beam run make sense when Harbinger wasn't there and Shepard just cleared the way to get to the beam.

[JPR1964]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't mind the ending and I'm in this thread.

sup haters?

Get out
Edit: also reported

Aww....sensitive are we? Lol don't worry, your report won't do anything. He's not gonna get banned or anything. Especially since you simply did it because he has a different opinion than you. Nice try though.

Can you go back under your bridge please : you means nothing to us, the true lover of Mass Effect, the ones who make this game a success, the only ones, us...

Well, the endings are so bad that even chuck Norris cannot see them twice...



JPR out!

Modifié par JPR1964, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[JamesFaith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

actually I did it because his comment was there simply to incite, as well as the OP expressly stating that pro-enders were not welcome on this thread.  You have your threads, we have ours.  Also he used the derogitory term "haters" which I take offence to.  I love this series, otherwise I would not still be here.

Sorry, but this part is joke. I'm here from the releasing day and there wasn't even one pro-ender thread which wasn't attacked and mostly totally destroyed by anti-enders. And terms, that they used, were sometimes much, much worse then haters.

indeed.

So you stoop to their level?

How mature...

And how exactly I stooped on their level? By pointing out absurdity of his claim?

If I stooped on their level, I would created post about lower mental abilities of anti-enders, their bad taste or arrogance for saying their opinion. Or flood this thread with stupid jokes pictures. This was most typical attacks on pro-enders thread.

But I never did it before and I don't plan it in future, so go accussing someone else, please.

[Blueprotoss]

Pitznik wrote...

Wrong.

Its still a Destroyer when it has the same scale as the Rannoch and Tuchunka Reapers.  Capital Reapers travel in groups while Destroyers can travel alone.

[Pitznik]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Wrong.

Its still a Destroyer when it has the same scale as the Rannoch and Tuchunka Reapers.  Capital Reapers travel in groups while Destroyers can travel alone.

It's clearly capital ship. It looks like Sovereign. Destroyers look different.

[Blueprotoss]

 

Pitznik wrote...

It is an official explanation made by Mac Walters in an interview between ME2 and ME3. While some people consider it a retcon to avoid having every Reaper unique, Bioware's Patrick Weekes claims that was the idea even when ME2 was developed, and suicide mission was meant to show all stages of Reaper construction, including putting the larva aka protoreaper aka "a pilot" into the Sovereign-like outer shell.

Interview with Mac Walters, third question

Interview ith Patrick Weekes, fifteenth question

Every Reaper is unique just like how every human is unique, but there are still limitations even when you have an "imperfect" or "perfect" design. 

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Wrong.

Its still a Destroyer when it has the same scale as the Rannoch and Tuchunka Reapers.  Capital Reapers travel in groups while Destroyers can travel alone.

It's clearly capital ship. It looks like Sovereign. Destroyers look different.

Thats a joke to say it looks like Sovreign since it didn't especially when Sovreign is a lot bigger then that Reaper.  Looks don't mean the same as scale.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:45 .

[saracen16]

Smells like 4chan.

EDIT: woops, wrong thread.

Modifié par saracen16, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:49 .

[Mcfly616]

JPR1964 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't mind the ending and I'm in this thread.

sup haters?

Get out
Edit: also reported

Aww....sensitive are we? Lol don't worry, your report won't do anything. He's not gonna get banned or anything. Especially since you simply did it because he has a different opinion than you. Nice try though.

Can you go back under your bridge please : you means nothing to us, the true lover of Mass Effect, the ones who make this game a success, the only ones, us...

Well, the endings are so bad that even chuck Norris cannot see them twice...



JPR out!

you? A true fan? Lol I see, so since you guys sit here all day belittling the game as much as possible, and I'm simply enjoying the game with a controller in my hand and am able to comprehend it, you guys are bigger fans than I? Haha you're a JOKE

I guess in your world, Red Sox fans are really Yankee fans....I mean, considering all Red Sox fans do is bash the Yanks, by your definition: they're actually the truest Yankee fans around.

hmm continue on with that ass backwards logic. It's really getting you somewhere


LOLOLOL

Modifié par Mcfly616, 12 septembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Pitznik]

Blueprotoss wrote...

]Thats a joke to say it looks like Sovreign since it didn't especially when Sovreign is a lot bigger then that Reaper.  Looks don't mean the same as scale.

It should be around 2 kilometres long. It does seem to be much smaller in the movie, Kodiak has like, what, 10 metres? It should be 1:200 scale, looks like somewhat less. It certainly has a model of capital ship, not destroyer. It is either sloppy moviemaking, some other Reaper type, like transport or something, or the scale is correct and it just looks weird. It is much bigger than Destroyer, Destroyer has just 160 metres.

Modifié par Pitznik, 12 septembre 2012 - 06:00 .

[tyrvas]

jsl1016 wrote...

"Video Gamey"

Likely the WORST phrase ever put "out there" by a video game company representative.

Would like to add that reps of the that same company also used the following phrase...

"Synthesis is inevitable".

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Wrong.

Its still a Destroyer when it has the same scale as the Rannoch and Tuchunka Reapers.  Capital Reapers travel in groups while Destroyers can travel alone.

It's clearly capital ship. It looks like Sovereign. Destroyers look different.

Thats a joke to say it looks like Sovreign since it didn't especially when Sovreign is a lot bigger then that Reaper.  Looks don't mean the same as scale.

Destroyer. 



Capital ship.



Leviathan Reaper.

http://youtu.be/yBQHpYP8ivU?t=10m53s

It's obviously a Capital Ship. Look at them. It's the same one as in the picture. It has nothing to do with scale.

[DrGunjah]

Blueprotoss wrote...
If Harbinger saw the Normandy as a threat or noticed it then he would have shot it down.

Or maybe it's just nonsense. Thinking more about it, the whole normandy evacuation scene is nonsense. We have no time to regroup, but we have time to land the normandy, get the squadmates in and have some chat. Then suddenly shepard must go and run down the hill. Sorry, but if we can land the normandy on ground zero we can make a better plan than shepard running down this hill. Maybe normandy escorts him down or puts out the thannix cannon and shoots harbinger. Anything that helps shepard getting to that beam. But no, they just do nothing. Would joker really let shepard run down this hill alone without any help? I don't think so.
By the way, if normandy is invisible to the reapers, why do we even need hammer? Just fly to the beam with the normandy, kill the husks and marauder shields with your big bad thannix cannons, land the shuttle (or drop off with ropes lol), enter beam -> profit.

TIM is working with the Reapers and we don't know if Shepard paced out after the beam.  Why wouldn't the beam run make sense when Harbinger wasn't there and Shepard just cleared the way to get to the beam.

But Harbinger IS there. So it doesn't make sense to run down this hill as it is absolutely impossible to get to the beam. The only reason for shepard to live after he gets hit by the beam is hollywood blockbuster superhero space magic. The trilogy really deservers something better.
Okok, nevermind about TIM I can arrange with this. But anderson? He tells everyone "NO RETREAT" but then waits till everyone gets punished, even shepard who kills the husks and marauder shields with a pistol and then sneaks up behind him? meh...

Modifié par DrGunjah, 12 septembre 2012 - 06:41 .

[jsl1016]

Moderators. Go ahead and close this thread. The fight I wised to avoid has obviously happened.

[Necrotron]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

If the ending made me feel the same way this song does: www.youtube.com/watch

Link fixed.

And hell yes, OP. I hated the endings because they're flat out absurd, not because I didn't get enough "clarity and closure".
I'd easily give up the latter to address the former.

Yes.  The ending should fit the series, not be the antithesis of it.  And it should not force the player to lose and choose a solution devised by the main villian.

Not to mention, it should not contradict everything about the Reapers that has been defined before it (e.g. Soverign's speech to Shepard).

[Necrotron]

jsl1016 wrote...

Moderators. Go ahead and close this thread. The fight I wised to avoid has obviously happened.

These forums are a hive of scum and villainy.  What else can you expect?

People even fight each other and hate on each other via their signatures.

[Blueprotoss]

 

Pitznik wrote...

It should be around 2 kilometres long. It does seem to be much smaller in the movie, Kodiak has like, what, 10 metres? It should be 1:200 scale, looks like somewhat less. It certainly has a model of capital ship, not destroyer. It is either sloppy moviemaking, some other Reaper type, like transport or something, or the scale is correct and it just looks weird. It is much bigger than Destroyer, Destroyer has just 160 metres.

Yet you assume that Destroyers only come in one form but its still about scale and behavior because it doesn't dwarf the kodiak as much and a Capital ship wouldn't be alone.  Maybe its a Reaper transport but we still have very little knowledge on the Reapers. 

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Leviathan Reaper.

http://youtu.be/yBQHpYP8ivU?t=10m53s

It's obviously a Capital Ship. Look at them. It's the same one as in the picture. It has nothing to do with scale.

Yet its a Destroyer while scale and behavior is important, which that tells us that its not a Capital ship.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[Blueprotoss]

DrGunjah wrote...

Or maybe it's just nonsense. Thinking more about it, the whole normandy evacuation scene is nonsense. We have no time to regroup, but we have time to land the normandy, get the squadmates in and have some chat. Then suddenly shepard must go and run down the hill. Sorry, but if we can land the normandy on ground zero we can make a better plan than shepard running down this hill. Maybe normandy escorts him down or puts out the thannix cannon and shoots harbinger. Anything that helps shepard getting to that beam. But no, they just do nothing. Would joker really let shepard run down this hill alone without any help? I don't think so.
By the way, if normandy is invisible to the reapers, why do we even need hammer? Just fly to the beam with the normandy, kill the husks and marauder shields with your big bad thannix cannons, land the shuttle (or drop off with ropes lol), enter beam -> profit.

You seem to forget that the Normandy isn't that powerful of a ship and its insane to travel in the air when the Reapers rule the sky.

DrGunjah wrote... 

But Harbinger IS there. So it doesn't make sense to run down this hill as it is absolutely impossible to get to the beam. The only reason for shepard to live after he gets hit by the beam is hollywood blockbuster superhero space magic. The trilogy really deservers something better.

This is semantics.

DrGunjah wrote... 

Okok, nevermind about TIM I can arrange with this. But anderson? He tells everyone "NO RETREAT" but then waits till everyone gets punished, even shepard who kills the husks and marauder shields with a pistol and then sneaks up behind him? meh...

Staying behind isn't retreating and plus you're comparing an old man to a middle-aged man/woman.