Modifié par Cecilia L, 13 septembre 2012 - 01:32 .
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet its a Destroyer while scale and behavior is important, which that tells us that its not a Capital ship.The Night Mammoth wrote...
Leviathan Reaper.
http://youtu.be/yBQHpYP8ivU?t=10m53s
It's obviously a Capital Ship. Look at them. It's the same one as in the picture. It has nothing to do with scale.
Yet you assume that capital ships only come in one size? Also, since when capital ship can't be alone? I can't really tell what it is, it seems to be bigger than 160 metres long destroyer, and at the same time smaller than 2000 metres long capital ship. Some picture comparing size of Kodiak to capital ship would be handy, to properly judge how big should be capital ship's "legs" with Kodiak flying under. You know nothing about "behaviour" so don't use it as an arguement.Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you assume that Destroyers only come in one form but its still about scale and behavior because it doesn't dwarf the kodiak as much and a Capital ship wouldn't be alone. Maybe its a Reaper transport but we still have very little knowledge on the Reapers.Pitznik wrote...
It should be around 2 kilometres long. It does seem to be much smaller in the movie, Kodiak has like, what, 10 metres? It should be 1:200 scale, looks like somewhat less. It certainly has a model of capital ship, not destroyer. It is either sloppy moviemaking, some other Reaper type, like transport or something, or the scale is correct and it just looks weird. It is much bigger than Destroyer, Destroyer has just 160 metres.
Scale and behavior is my evidence while they're far from irrelevant even when this is your opinion. Capital ships are a lot bigger then the Leviathan Reaper and no Capital Ship would be alone especially when the Reapers knew where their creators were located.The Night Mammoth wrote...
What evidence do you have for it being a destroyer?
Because it's quite clearly the same model as a Capital Ship. Scale is irrelevant. You don't know what the scale is. Behaviour is irrelevant. Capital ships act the same multiple times in the game.
You literally have nothing to back up your argument. It's a Capital Ship, sorry. You're wrong. Deal with it.
I'm not assuming anything and the Reapers would send in a Capital ship alone to be taken over by their creators. Either way the Reaper isn't a Capital ship and little is still know about the Reapers. If knew about behavior then you would know that Reapers are usually in packs and the Capital ships are like officers in the military, which means they wouldn't go somewhere alone on a mission.Pitznik wrote...
Yet you assume that capital ships only come in one size? Also, since when capital ship can't be alone? I can't really tell what it is, it seems to be bigger than 160 metres long destroyer, and at the same time smaller than 2000 metres long capital ship. Some picture comparing size of Kodiak to capital ship would be handy, to properly judge how big should be capital ship's "legs" with Kodiak flying under. You know nothing about "behaviour" so don't use it as an arguement.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 02:52 .
Modifié par TheJediSaint, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:04 .
Blueprotoss wrote...
Scale and behavior is my evidence while they're far from irrelevant even when this is your opinion. Capital ships are a lot bigger then the Leviathan ReaperThe Night Mammoth wrote...
What evidence do you have for it being a destroyer?
Because it's quite clearly the same model as a Capital Ship. Scale is irrelevant. You don't know what the scale is. Behaviour is irrelevant. Capital ships act the same multiple times in the game.
You literally have nothing to back up your argument. It's a Capital Ship, sorry. You're wrong. Deal with it.
and no Capital Ship would be alone especially when the Reapers knew where their creators were located.
Another shining example of logic by Blueprotoss:Blueprotoss wrote...
I'm not assuming anything and the Reapers would send in a Capital ship alone to be taken over by their creators. Either way the Reaper isn't a Capital ship and little is still know about the Reapers. If knew about behavior then you would know that Reapers are usually in packs and the Capital ships are like officers in the military, which means they wouldn't go somewhere alone on a mission.Pitznik wrote...
Yet you assume that capital ships only come in one size? Also, since when capital ship can't be alone? I can't really tell what it is, it seems to be bigger than 160 metres long destroyer, and at the same time smaller than 2000 metres long capital ship. Some picture comparing size of Kodiak to capital ship would be handy, to properly judge how big should be capital ship's "legs" with Kodiak flying under. You know nothing about "behaviour" so don't use it as an arguement.
Modifié par Queenie4000, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:11 .
Queenie4000 wrote...
I desperately wanted an ending
similar to ME1 - heroic Shep emerges from rubble after defeating
Soverign despite all odds. Suppose I'm the the minority...and uber
naive, but I am what I am. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]
Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:14 .
Blueprotoss wrote...
Its still a Destroyer when it has the same scale as the Rannoch and Tuchunka Reapers. Capital Reapers travel in groups while Destroyers can travel alone.Pitznik wrote...
Wrong.
Biotic_Warlock wrote...
Queenie4000 wrote...
I desperately wanted an ending
similar to ME1 - heroic Shep emerges from rubble after defeating
Soverign despite all odds. Suppose I'm the the minority...and uber
naive, but I am what I am. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]
It's suggested that might happen in destroy, but still, this isn't a comic book. Therefore the ending certainly does not HAVE to be an "oh Shepard beats the reapers, all peace is restored with literally nothing bad happening like with destroy ending and he lives to be hero" nonsense ending... the thought of that makes me feel ill.
How is that when its not as big as a Capital ship, which means scale is important.The Night Mammoth wrote...
You don't know what the scale is.
That's what Capital ships look like, far more concrete evidence than what you're suggesting.
Destroyers are the basic Reaper ships because if they're lost then its not that hard to replace unlike Capital Reaper ships. Sovreign acted as a solo Reaper to a degree to spot problems but Harbinger always had sight with the Collectors. The Leviathans are the creators of the Reapers especially when some became Harbinger the 1st Reaper.The Night Mammoth wrote...
But a Destroyer would be alone? Better to send a Capital ship. They act alone often enough. Sovereign?
The Leviathans also aren't the creators of the Reapers.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:24 .
Yet I'm not the one making assumptions and I see that you don't want to have a discussion anymore based on you trying to use petty insults.Pitznik wrote...
Another shining example of logic by Blueprotoss:Blueprotoss wrote...
I'm not assuming anything and the Reapers would send in a Capital ship alone to be taken over by their creators. Either way the Reaper isn't a Capital ship and little is still know about the Reapers. If knew about behavior then you would know that Reapers are usually in packs and the Capital ships are like officers in the military, which means they wouldn't go somewhere alone on a mission.Pitznik wrote...
Yet you assume that capital ships only come in one size? Also, since when capital ship can't be alone? I can't really tell what it is, it seems to be bigger than 160 metres long destroyer, and at the same time smaller than 2000 metres long capital ship. Some picture comparing size of Kodiak to capital ship would be handy, to properly judge how big should be capital ship's "legs" with Kodiak flying under. You know nothing about "behaviour" so don't use it as an arguement.
- all Destroyers look the same - assumption
- all capital ships are the same size - not an assumption
- capital ships don't operate on its own - not an assumption (even if directly contradicted by ingame material)
I should know better then to discuss with you.
The Collectors were still there being controlled by Harbinger, which means that Soreign wasn't truely alone.tyrvas wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Its still a Destroyer when it has the same scale as the Rannoch and Tuchunka Reapers. Capital Reapers travel in groups while Destroyers can travel alone.Pitznik wrote...
Wrong.
*SUPERDUPER FACEPLAM*
Then what was Sovereign (a capital ship) doing alone in ME1.
Blueprotoss wrote...
The Collectors were still there being controlled by Harbinger, which means that Soreign wasn't truely alone.tyrvas wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Its still a Destroyer when it has the same scale as the Rannoch and Tuchunka Reapers. Capital Reapers travel in groups while Destroyers can travel alone.Pitznik wrote...
Wrong.
*SUPERDUPER FACEPLAM*
Then what was Sovereign (a capital ship) doing alone in ME1.
Modifié par tyrvas, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:38 .
Yet its not a Captial ship because the visuals says that its a lot smaller then a Capital ship.Fixers0 wrote...
Visual evidence confirms the Despoina Reaper as a Sovereign-class Reaper. Case closed.
Blueprotoss wrote...
How is that when its not as big as a Capital ship, which means scale is important.The Night Mammoth wrote...
You don't know what the scale is.
That's what Capital ships look like, far more concrete evidence than what you're suggesting.
Destroyers are the basic Reaper ships because if they're lost then its not that hard to replace unlike Capital Reaper ships. Sovreign acted as a solo Reaper to a degree to spot problems but Harbinger always had sight with the Collectors.The Night Mammoth wrote...
But a Destroyer would be alone? Better to send a Capital ship. They act alone often enough. Sovereign?
The Leviathans also aren't the creators of the Reapers.
The Leviathans are the creators of the Reapers especially when some became Harbinger the 1st Reaper.
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet its not a Captial ship because the visuals says that its a lot smaller then a Capital ship.
You can personally not agree based on opinion but you can't disagree with the facts.tyrvas wrote...
Sorry but I do not agree with you.
Yet the Collectors have always been present without "our" knowledge just like Reapers themslevs.tyrvas wrote...
We did not learn about the Collectors in ME1, we had to wait until ME2.
Yet the Collectors were still around and they didn't need to be with the Collectors because the Reapers thought Sovreign would win.tyrvas wrote...
Sovereign was ALONE, it had to look for allies, such as the Geth and Saren.
Harbinger is still a Reaper.tyrvas wrote...
The Collectors are Harbingers thralls, they are his tools.
Yet you're still wrong.Fixers0 wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet its not a Captial ship because the visuals says that its a lot smaller then a Capital ship.
Visual evidence trumph visual conjecture.
If I didn't know what scale is then I would be acting like you because scale is part of what ships are classified based on their size.The Night Mammoth wrote...
You don't know what the scale is. Since you don't know the scale, comparitive evidence is to be relied upon.
And that makes you wrong.
Sovreign always had Harbinger.The Night Mammoth wrote...
So you acknowledge Sovereign acted alone.
What's the problem then?
Yet the Catalyst said they were willing to become the 1st Reaper and they also did create the Catalyst. Btw you should use all of the diaoge not just one selected sentence.The Night Mammoth wrote...
The Catalyst created them, you're told this by the Leviathans in their DLC. The Catalyst struck without warning and turned its creators into Harbinger.
"It chose our kind as the first Harvest. From our essence, the first Reaper was created. You call it Harbinger."
The Leviathan says this.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 04:04 .
Saying "you're wrong" enough times trumps actual proof. Right?Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you're still wrong.Fixers0 wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet its not a Captial ship because the visuals says that its a lot smaller then a Capital ship.
Visual evidence trumph visual conjecture.
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