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[jmd4]

Get fired up wrote...

At PAX east the Dragon Age 3 panel (senior producer, Lead writer, Senior artist and Merizan I believe) stated that, amongst other things, female dwarves are one of the tings they are really looking into, so I'd tip that the chance of them being in DA3 is MUCH higher then 50%. More like 80% I'd say.

kossith females are getting the same treatment, and are much more important than dwarves IMO, but that's just me. ;P

Just my two cents but Kossith females are still the "new kids on the block." I'm glad they are starting to appear but their overall importance has yet to be determined. Whereas the importance of female dwarves (or at least their presence) has been pretty well established. I just don't want the Kossith females to trump dwarven females because they are "new" and that somehow translates to "more important."

*A late edit to my comment but another issue to me is that BioWare not encourage--or buy into, at least--the notion that race X is more important than race Y. That's problematic thinking, the sort of which will get us stuck with human protagonists forevermore. All races have equal importance in this world--or they should. With regard to my above comments on Kossith females, I should have explained myself more: their contributions and influence on events in the world have yet to be determined. They are as important as any other race, and dwarves are as important and valuable as they. Sorry about miscommunicating my thoughts.

/edit

Modifié par jmd4, 12 septembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[jmd4]

WardenWade wrote...

jmd4 wrote...

The probability had better be 100% for the sake of having a bloody believable game world. Unless BioWare intends to take a "they hide their women away!" approach to female dwarves for the remainder of the series, they'd best be present. I'm hoping they are present, playable...and romanceable.

I hope so too.  I missed female dwarves terribly in DA2, and with dwarves like Mischa in Awakening it's clear women do strike out on their own and don't remain behind or hidden away.  Female Qunari have now appeared outside of Par Vollen and Seheron as it is, and they are kept out of combat per se, at least, in the Qunari culture...unlike female dwarves, specifically (such as Sigrun, Miaja or Adal Helmi).

I'd like to have them as a romance option as well, jmd4

Thanks, Wade. Yes, dwarven women have no restrictions on what they can do, especially in terms of being fighters. Qunari women on the other hand have lots of restrictions. That leaves lots of possibilities for the presence of dwarven women in the DA world. They can go anywhere, do anything. No reason not to see them and interact with them, even recruit them. Even love them.

[Apollo Starflare]

carine wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...

They will be in the game. It is known.

Source?

But anyway, I think there's a good chance they'll be in.

It is known. My source is my optimistic spirit and refusal to believe otherwise.

[LinksOcarina]

I don't see why not.

[Welsh Inferno]

Female Dwarves don't exist. We just imagined them in Origins you see.

[KiwiQuiche]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Female Dwarves don't exist. We just imagined them in Origins you see.

I always knew Alistair was gay for dwarfs.

[WardenWade]

jmd4 wrote...

WardenWade wrote...

jmd4 wrote...

The probability had better be 100% for the sake of having a bloody believable game world. Unless BioWare intends to take a "they hide their women away!" approach to female dwarves for the remainder of the series, they'd best be present. I'm hoping they are present, playable...and romanceable.

I hope so too.  I missed female dwarves terribly in DA2, and with dwarves like Mischa in Awakening it's clear women do strike out on their own and don't remain behind or hidden away.  Female Qunari have now appeared outside of Par Vollen and Seheron as it is, and they are kept out of combat per se, at least, in the Qunari culture...unlike female dwarves, specifically (such as Sigrun, Miaja or Adal Helmi).

I'd like to have them as a romance option as well, jmd4

Thanks, Wade. Yes, dwarven women have no restrictions on what they can do, especially in terms of being fighters. Qunari women on the other hand have lots of restrictions. That leaves lots of possibilities for the presence of dwarven women in the DA world. They can go anywhere, do anything. No reason not to see them and interact with them, even recruit them. Even love them.

Absolutely!  The respective cultures definitely differ on this.  As regards the dwarves specifically, we also have the Silent Sisters in Orzammar, which I'd really like to learn more about.  They have an interesting interpretation of what women "can" or "can't" do, IMO.  These are good points, jmd4.

Modifié par WardenWade, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:07 .

[Wulfram]

Female dwarven fighters are established as being rare, aside from Silent Sisters. People like Adai Helmi and (potentially) the Warden are pushing at that, but it still seems to be true.

Of course, the casteless and the Carta don't care about that, and most surface dwarves wouldn't too. And there's no reason we wouldn't see plenty of civilian dwarves, anyway.

[WardenWade]

Wulfram wrote...

Female dwarven fighters are established as being rare, aside from Silent Sisters. People like Adai Helmi and (potentially) the Warden are pushing at that, but it still seems to be true.

Of course, the casteless and the Carta don't care about that, and most surface dwarves wouldn't too. And there's no reason we wouldn't see plenty of civilian dwarves, anyway.

Very true, Wulfram!  It does happen   And though it's non-Qunari in nature, I assume female Tal-Vashoth also fight alongside their male counterparts.

Modifié par WardenWade, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:14 .

[Iron Star]

WardenWade wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Female dwarven fighters are established as being rare, aside from Silent Sisters. People like Adai Helmi and (potentially) the Warden are pushing at that, but it still seems to be true.

Of course, the casteless and the Carta don't care about that, and most surface dwarves wouldn't too. And there's no reason we wouldn't see plenty of civilian dwarves, anyway.

Very true, Wulfram!  It does happen   And though it's non-Qunari in nature, I assume female Tal-Vashoth also fight alongside their male counterparts.

Indeed. Even though I'd love to visit Par Vollen or Seheron I still find the qun to be horrible (even though it's a great addition to the DA setting!). The tal vasoth have my full support, and I keep on hoping that we'll at least meet a female tal vasoth warrior within DA3.

If romanceable, I probably won't look any other way either.

[mousestalker]

^ What the jellyfish said.

[Quething]

Nyoka wrote...

I really hope they are present. You can only put up with so much invisibility.

Yeah, after femdwarves and femturians (and EDI and Samara and Intro Beth and and), it's pretty clear where BioWare is headed. If they don't have the sense, civility, and respect to reverse direction with their next game and get back to where they should be , they will be officially no better than every other gaming company.

BioWare, this is not an area where you want to be industry standard. You've abandoned choice and roleplay, and you'll never dethrone the kings of the oversaturated combat market. Your rep for social consciousness is about all you've got going for you at the moment.

Modifié par Quething, 12 septembre 2012 - 04:48 .

[Rawgrim]

Depends on how much time and resources the multiplayer bit will "steal" from the single player part of the game. But I would love to se female dwarves again, thats for sure.

[Quething]

Nyoka wrote...

I prefer to view it more positively: Bioware is miles ahead of everyone else on this, but there's still lots of room for improvement.

They're really not, though. 

They have been in the past. They still have their moments (Meredith, Garza and Satele, Daro'Xen). But on the whole? They've slipped like crazy. Watch the sad regression from ME1 to ME3. Just looking at the big names, Bethesda's constistently meeting their old standard and Valve is kicking their ass, and that's not even getting into the anonymous swarm of smaller and indie developers.

[jmd4]

Quething wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

I really hope they are present. You can only put up with so much invisibility.

Yeah, after femdwarves and femturians (and EDI and Samara and Intro Beth and and), it's pretty clear where BioWare is headed. If they don't have the sense, civility, and respect to reverse direction with their next game and get back to where they should be , they will be officially no better than every other gaming company.

BioWare, this is not an area where you want to be industry standard. You've abandoned choice and roleplay, and you'll never dethrone the kings of the oversaturated combat market. Your rep for social consciousness is about all you've got going for you at the moment.

Yes, this is part of my beef with the dwarf issue. If BioWare feels they can cut corners by dumping equal gender representation for a whole race, what's next? BioWare has a history (or had) of being pretty progressive and open-minded. To backslide on something like this--ridiculous.

I find the notion that including female dwarves is up for debate to be almost appaling. Really? It's a matter of debate now? It isn't simply a given that they should appear in a world that makes sense?

It, to me, smacks of ignorance and the downward spiral BioWare has been on of late.

Modifié par jmd4, 12 septembre 2012 - 07:13 .

[Wulfram]

DA2 has too many good female characters for me to really see this as part of some sort of general "slip".

And Mass Effect may still have the ridiculous lack of female Turians, but at least there are a few female Salarians and Krogan now. And at least you can outfit all your squadmates in proper armour, which is an advance on ME2.

[Ianamus]

I think it depends on whether or not we will be visiting one of the Dwarf cities. If we are then I'd say we will almost certainly have Female Dwarfs, if not then we may not be seeing them.

[Circle_Mage]

jmd4 wrote...

Quething wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

I really hope they are present. You can only put up with so much invisibility.

Yeah, after femdwarves and femturians (and EDI and Samara and Intro Beth and and), it's pretty clear where BioWare is headed. If they don't have the sense, civility, and respect to reverse direction with their next game and get back to where they should be , they will be officially no better than every other gaming company.

BioWare, this is not an area where you want to be industry standard. You've abandoned choice and roleplay, and you'll never dethrone the kings of the oversaturated combat market. Your rep for social consciousness is about all you've got going for you at the moment.

Yes, this is part of my beef with the dwarf issue. If BioWare feels they can cut corners by dumping equal gender representation for a whole race, what's next? BioWare has a history (or had) of being pretty progressive and open-minded. To backslide on something like this--ridiculous.

I find the notion that including female dwarves is up for debate to be almost appaling. Really? It's a matter of debate now? It isn't simply a given that they should appear in a world that makes sense?

It, to me, smacks of ignorance and the downward spiral BioWare has been on of late.

I completely agree.  It's hard to believe that fans must, apparently, fight for equal gender representation amongst all of the races in Thedas.  It should be a given that we see female dwarves.  It's not as if they are kept hidden away in thaigs; they could be present anywhere, either in Orzammar (or Kal Sharok) or on the surface.  Cutting out female dwarves does, as was mentioned above, lead to the uncomfortable notion that this is just the start of the process of removing things from the game that should simply be there. I want to see Bioware as progressive and socially conscious, but it is diffcult when they seem to be unsure of whether to simply ignore the entire female population of a race.

[Circle_Mage]

EJ107 wrote...

I think it depends on whether or not we will be visiting one of the Dwarf cities. If we are then I'd say we will almost certainly have Female Dwarfs, if not then we may not be seeing them.

It's true that visiting a dwarven city would increase our chances of seeing female dwarves.  But they could be present anywhere in Thedas as surfacers and for that reason, at least, Bioware shouldn't neglect them.  We've seen qunari outside of Seheron so we ought to be able to see female dwarves outside of a dwarven city.  But I do agree that visiting a dwarven city would definitely make it more likely. 

[jmd4]

Wulfram wrote...

DA2 has too many good female characters for me to really see this as part of some sort of general "slip".

And Mass Effect may still have the ridiculous lack of female Turians, but at least there are a few female Salarians and Krogan now. And at least you can outfit all your squadmates in proper armour, which is an advance on ME2.

True, there were some interesting female characters in DA2--not your companions, in my opinion, but there were some interesting ones. DAO had a lot more interesting ones, to me, and it had dwarven females to boot.

This is a different issue, I think. Not the lack of nuanced female characters but the lack of a whole half of a race. That's a problem. That's a slip.

I'm glad there is somewhat more gender parity in ME, but that's a totally different dev team. Their decisions have no impact on the DA team. Our team can't seem to decide if equal gender representation is important or not yet.

[jmd4]

Circle_Mage wrote...

jmd4 wrote...

Quething wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

I really hope they are present. You can only put up with so much invisibility.

Yeah, after femdwarves and femturians (and EDI and Samara and Intro Beth and and), it's pretty clear where BioWare is headed. If they don't have the sense, civility, and respect to reverse direction with their next game and get back to where they should be , they will be officially no better than every other gaming company.

BioWare, this is not an area where you want to be industry standard. You've abandoned choice and roleplay, and you'll never dethrone the kings of the oversaturated combat market. Your rep for social consciousness is about all you've got going for you at the moment.

Yes, this is part of my beef with the dwarf issue. If BioWare feels they can cut corners by dumping equal gender representation for a whole race, what's next? BioWare has a history (or had) of being pretty progressive and open-minded. To backslide on something like this--ridiculous.

I find the notion that including female dwarves is up for debate to be almost appaling. Really? It's a matter of debate now? It isn't simply a given that they should appear in a world that makes sense?

It, to me, smacks of ignorance and the downward spiral BioWare has been on of late.

I completely agree.  It's hard to believe that fans must, apparently, fight for equal gender representation amongst all of the races in Thedas.  It should be a given that we see female dwarves.  It's not as if they are kept hidden away in thaigs; they could be present anywhere, either in Orzammar (or Kal Sharok) or on the surface.  Cutting out female dwarves does, as was mentioned above, lead to the uncomfortable notion that this is just the start of the process of removing things from the game that should simply be there. I want to see Bioware as progressive and socially conscious, but it is diffcult when they seem to be unsure of whether to simply ignore the entire female population of a race.

Thanks, Circle_Mage. Yes, the loss of things we should reasonably be able to expect is puzzling to me, especially something so fundamental.

[jmd4]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

carine wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...

They will be in the game. It is known.

Source?

But anyway, I think there's a good chance they'll be in.

It is known. My source is my optimistic spirit and refusal to believe otherwise.

Dwarven females are important. It is known.