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[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

Really Remy, you had that coming. I didn't say that already cos I though you'd see reason. Your misplaced sympathy for the Geth makes any atrocity commited by the Geth look OK to you. In another thread you said, Geth killed those Quarian non combatants becasuse of the future threat they might pose. Same can be said for the Krogan and they are the most violent race in the galaxy next to the Geth.

Good question. Because of the violent nature of the Krogan, I would only cure the genophage if they have a leader to keep them in check. It's pretty clear most Krogan want revenge. If they start a new war after the cure, it would most likely result in billions of deaths and the extinction of the Krogan race. So it really depends on the leader.

No I actually did not have that coming.  If you can't debate a point about fictional characters without name calling then you probably need to log off and go hug a real person or go read about real tragedies.  This sh*t is not real.  It is not that serious.

And you continue to miss the point.  I don't think what the Geth did is ok.  I simply think it was the natural outcome of the Quarian's decision to try and slaughter them without mercy.  You guys are so wrapped up in your affection for the cute and cuddly Quarians, you fail to understand a basic concept.  What both parties did was wrong.  The difference is I expect a sentient race that has existed for millions of years to know better.  The Geth were born practically yesterday.  What the hell is the Quarian's excuse for their gross stupidity.

And I am pretty sure that accoding to Eve, most females don't want revenge.  She said Wreav would have a civil war if that is the path he chooses.  I like how whenever people talk about the Krogan, it's like the opinion of females don't matter.  Why don't you like women SAK?  Why?  Ok, that last part was a joke but the point is why is it no one on the other side seems to even consider that maybe just maybe a Krogan female doesn't want to spend the rest of her life with her legs spread wide open so a penis can be inserted? 

[Display Name Owner]

Betraying the Krogan is a horrible thing to do, which is why I find the whole sequence great. One of those moments in the series where i sat there for 10 minutes deciding whether to go with the top right or bottom right option. Because it is horrible, there's no denying it, especially if Wrex is in charge, with all his "you're a brother/sister to the Krogan" talk. Right up until then I was 100% sure I'd take the Dalatrass's advice.

But anyway, whilst it's horrible, it's not necessarily wrong. You're dealing with the potential lives and deaths of thousands, millions even. By giving the Krogan a chance, a chince which they probably do deserve, you're also risking the lives of countless others should the Krogan live down to their reputation (which, let's face it, is a well earned one). Honestly it's Shepard's and Victus's fault (and the Alliance's for putting a marine and not an expert in charge of making the decision). Wreav/Wrex's demand was honestly simple minded, and the situation is far from simple. They shouldn't have just said "yeah, ok" and bullied the Dalatrass because she actually had valid points. Might have been nice if they'd even tried to reach a compromise, I mean they might have avoided the need to betray the Krogan at all. Anyway, we have Mordin's stance, and he very much is an expert, but it's clear that he's plagued with guilt and remorse. And to be honest I don't know if it's wise to entrust such a massive decision to someone who's probably not thinking clearly on the matter.

In my mind, just handing a cure over to the Krogan and hoping they'll behave themselves just because Wrex and Eve say they will is a terrible idea. The fact is that the Krogan are genetically disposed to violence, and even if they can keep that to a minimum, their explosive birth rate is a very real issue, and one that they never once display any inclination towards actually doing anything about. On the other hand, stripping a race that has even some potential to fix themselves up of the chance to actually do so is some heavy stuff. It's one of those cases of a few people deciding the fate of billions, which frankly none of them have the right to do, not even the heroic Shepard. Not that Shepard asked for that kind of responsibility.

But thinking purely logically, denying the Krogan a cure is the smart thing to do if you ask me.

Modifié par isnudo, 04 mai 2013 - 08:57 .

[Artifex_Imperius]

remydat wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

remydat wrote...

SAK

Killing the Quarians was a rough choice made to stop them. They did not discrimate because the Quarians taught them not to discrimate when they attacked unarmed farmers and domrstic Geth without mercy. I don't care if you call it genocide or not. The Quarians never taught the Geth to makr such a distinction so the fault lies with them.

remydat, you are an "id*ot". so stop! somebody had to say it! so stop trolling!

killing babies/children is wrong! quarians or krogan, nothing justifies killing babies/children. end.

Really?  Because I see plenty of people justifying killing Krogan babies.  So forgive me if I think your indignation is over just cute Quarian babies.  And I agree it is wrong which is why I blame their sh*tty parents who taught the Geth to kill without mercy by killing unarmed Geth without mercy. I know the Quarians should know better.  Explain to me why i should expect the Geth to know better when their sh*tty creators only taught them to kill the minute they were born? 

pls sir stop, coz i can rephrase alter that statement to the krogan. well "most if not all krogan are warmongers, settle everything with aggression, rediculouly stupid at times." and they teach their chilldren thesame. thats why they all have to go. mistakes a 100yrs ago? korgans live for over 2000+ yrs.

KROGAN CHILDREN ANY DIFFERENT HELL NO!!!! they nuke their own planet. and they love destroying other planets coz they "LOVE TO DIE!" and they dont seem to give a ****.. so yeah! stupid is as stupid does!

problem is stupid is in krogan genes that cant be prevented. they maybe sentient but their INVASIVE. a threat. SUPER STRONG AND STUPID DONT MIX. their form of stupid is not just without intellegence but not thinking things through before they act.

Why kill them because their a threat. krogan rebellion a good reminder. continuous krogan stupidity after the genophage more reminders. period they cant be saved STUPID is in their genes!

for every wrex their's a billion wreav. for every bakara a billion stupiid krogan. can't help that. condemn them yeah.
KILL THEM coz their ugly definitely YEAH! and yeah krogan are NOT COOL. they f*cken UGLY! KILL THEM all yeah!

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 04 mai 2013 - 09:33 .

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Really Remy, you had that coming. I didn't say that already cos I though you'd see reason. Your misplaced sympathy for the Geth makes any atrocity commited by the Geth look OK to you. In another thread you said, Geth killed those Quarian non combatants becasuse of the future threat they might pose. Same can be said for the Krogan and they are the most violent race in the galaxy next to the Geth.

Good question. Because of the violent nature of the Krogan, I would only cure the genophage if they have a leader to keep them in check. It's pretty clear most Krogan want revenge. If they start a new war after the cure, it would most likely result in billions of deaths and the extinction of the Krogan race. So it really depends on the leader.

No I actually did not have that coming.  If you can't debate a point about fictional characters without name calling then you probably need to log off and go hug a real person or go read about real tragedies.  This sh*t is not real.  It is not that serious.

And you continue to miss the point.  I don't think what the Geth did is ok.  I simply think it was the natural outcome of the Quarian's decision to try and slaughter them without mercy.  You guys are so wrapped up in your affection for the cute and cuddly Quarians, you fail to understand a basic concept.  What both parties did was wrong.  The difference is I expect a sentient race that has existed for millions of years to know better.  The Geth were born practically yesterday.  What the hell is the Quarian's excuse for their gross stupidity.

And I am pretty sure that accoding to Eve, most females don't want revenge.  She said Wreav would have a civil war if that is the path he chooses.  I like how whenever people talk about the Krogan, it's like the opinion of females don't matter.  Why don't you like women SAK?  Why?  Ok, that last part was a joke but the point is why is it no one on the other side seems to even consider that maybe just maybe a Krogan female doesn't want to spend the rest of her life with her legs spread wide open so a penis can be inserted? 

Damn I think I should stop taking you seriously...

[AlexMBrennan]

period they cant be saved STUPID is in their genes!

You do realize that you come across as extremely racist right?

[Whybother]

S.A.K wrote...
With Wrex and Bakara alive No. If they are dead Yes.

Why does it make a difference who the unelected leader of the Krogan is at the time that the Reaper invasion takes place?

Take away Wrex, Bakara, and Wreav.  Would you trust the Krogan with the cure? 

Good question. Because of the violent nature of the Krogan, I would only cure the genophage if they have a leader to keep them in check. It's pretty clear most Krogan want revenge. If they start a new war after the cure, it would most likely result in billions of deaths and the extinction of the Krogan race. So it really depends on the leader.

Why does the (current!) leader matter?  Wrex, even as a dictator, cannot force the Krogan to be good galactic citizens.  He cannot headbutt them all into submission (and perhaps he shouldn't.) Similarly, Wreav could not force the Krogan who thought the Rebellion was wrong (irrespective of the results of that war, the Genophage) to be expansionists.

I don't want to get political so please don't talk about it or we'll get the thread locked, but I do want to ask a simple yes/no question: do you change your views about the direction of the country when we get a new President? I'd wager most of us don't. Why would the Krogan be any different?


Another view on Wrex being the "good" leader:
1. At Sur'kesh, he states that he will only help the Turians if there is a cure, and all but demands that the Salarians be forced to give it up. He's forcing the leaders of two races to do something - the Salarian leader to release the cure, and the Turian leader to put pressure on the Salarians.
2. After Sur'kesh, he modifies the agreement to state that he will only help the Turians if the cure is released to all Krogan. Again he forces the Turian leadership to do something; meanwhile innocent Turians are dying by the truckload. During all of this, there is also an implicit  statement that "we won't help other races either."
3. During Priority: Tuchanka, Wrex mentions how the Krogan "pop them out." One of the reasons behind the Rebellions was that the Krogan, due to their birthrate, kept requiring/demanding more and more worlds. THAT issue is not addressed.
4a. Very soon after the genophage is cured, instead of being involved with the war effort, he's at the Citadel "asking" for more worlds. It's not farfetched to say that he's using the very same tactics as before: threatening to withdraw support unless his demands are met.
4b. If you sabotaged the cure, he's not at the Citadel but must be monitoring whether the Krogan females are getting pregnant or not. That he is not at the Citadel to support you - or is there but chooses not to - means "something is up"; he suspects that the cure was sabotaged, and is spending time figuring that out instead of helping the war effort.

In short, Wrex is not as good as he claims to be. Perhaps his request to get other worlds is perfectly legitimate, and his lack of trust in Council leadership may be well justified. Still, what we see in game is that he cares more about restoring the Krogan than kicking the Reapers off other planets. If that is what a "good" Krogan is doing, what happens when he dies?


From a species perspective: unless the Krogan can keep their population in check (growth but more like other species), we're going to see the same thing that caused the Rebellions happening again. Do you force the Krogan to not grow as much? How do you do this? Is Wrex, after all the inability of the Krogan to have enough children to grow, going to now enforce some kind of "three child policy" after he talks about "popping them out"?

Modifié par Whybother, 04 mai 2013 - 02:33 .

[frostajulie]

I believe betraying the krogan is the right thing to do but it feels soooo wrong and thats what makes the whole Tuchanka arc sooooo good. either way you go the decision makes you feel deeply for the game you are playing.

[Morlath]

So let me get this straight...

It's okay to condemn the Krogans because of their past behaviour even though they have never been given the chance to make amends? That just because they have aggression levels higher than most sentient species means that they will never learn, never adapt and never grow?

Xenophobia and the ability to rationalise anything is alive and well.

To answer the question, no the right thing to do is to cure the Genophage and allow the Krogan the chance to adapt their ways to fit the galactic community.

[frostajulie]

Morlath wrote...

So let me get this straight...

It's okay to condemn the Krogans because of their past behaviour even though they have never been given the chance to make amends?

No but it is okay to condemn Krogans because of their current and recent behavior that shows they have no ontention or interest in making amends.  It is the right thing to do for the sake of the galaxy you are struggling to protect.  The Krogans are one species in a galaxy full of them and their right to exist does not supercede the rights of other species but in one generation their actions past and present would end in the Krogan rebellions all over again, they have offerred no proof or inclination to do things differently and therefore cannot be trusted.

Unless you let your heart do your thinking and I have always had a soft spot for Wrex.

[S.A.K]

@Whybother

I think you misunderstood what I meant. I was saying the most Krogan would want revenge for what the Salarians and Turians did. Wrex tell this himself. So if they tryied to take revenge and started a war it wouldn't be good for anyone. Specially the Krogan. A leader like Wrex can keep them in line without allowing them to attack. A leader like Wreav would allow them to take revenge and even support it. Which most likely will result in the extinctiong of the Krogan. So the leader does matter a lot.

[Morlath]

frostajulie wrote...

No but it is okay to condemn Krogans because of their current and recent behavior that shows they have no ontention or interest in making amends.  It is the right thing to do for the sake of the galaxy you are struggling to protect.  The Krogans are one species in a galaxy full of them and their right to exist does not supercede the rights of other species but in one generation their actions past and present would end in the Krogan rebellions all over again, they have offerred no proof or inclination to do things differently and therefore cannot be trusted.

Unless you let your heart do your thinking and I have always had a soft spot for Wrex.

Making amends? Are they supposed to issue a species wide apology for the Rebellions? Because if you're talking about all Krogans being the same then the game proves this to be false.

Wrex is not a mindless warrior with no cares about his people.
The Krogan being tested on in ME2 is being selfless in an effect to heal his people.
ME2 has a Krogan that's trying to woo his Asari lover.
Eve is an incredibly smart woman with great political sense.
ME2 has a Krogan in the Citadel who has become obsessed by fish in the water. Not really signs of wanting to kill anything in sight.

The species is being judged by their natural aggressiveness,  their refusal to accept what was done to them as being fair or right, and an excuse of "they want to take over the galaxy".

[Whybother]

@Morlath:

The problem is not necessarily Krogan aggression. That is not what let to the Rebellions. Krogan overpopulation which all but forced them to demand new worlds is what caused the Rebellions.

Remember that the Genophage by itself did not cause the Krogan population to decrease. The rate of birth was set to what it would have been like without all the natural predators that the Krogan used to have on Tuchanka. In other words, they should have continued to grow in population, but at a more natural rate that wouldn't have presented as much of a threat to the galactic community. A rate similar to humans, asari, turians, salarians, etc.

Unless the Krogan accept a lower birth rate in order to maintain peace and their new role in the galaxy, they will have the exact same problem again.

[Morlath]

Whybother wrote...

@Morlath:

The problem is not necessarily Krogan aggression. That is not what let to the Rebellions. Krogan overpopulation which all but forced them to demand new worlds is what caused the Rebellions.

Remember that the Genophage by itself did not cause the Krogan population to decrease. The rate of birth was set to what it would have been like without all the natural predators that the Krogan used to have on Tuchanka. In other words, they should have continued to grow in population, but at a more natural rate that wouldn't have presented as much of a threat to the galactic community. A rate similar to humans, asari, turians, salarians, etc.

Unless the Krogan accept a lower birth rate in order to maintain peace and their new role in the galaxy, they will have the exact same problem again.

You have a good point. However there's one small issue that is overlooked when it comes to the Krogan and their attitudes towards breeding.

The Salarians "raised up" the Krogans to use as shock troops to defeat the Rachni. In terms of social evolution the Krogan were not ready to leave their planet. Once raised-up, you have an incredibly adaptive species with a high birthrate brought into new areas and it's only natural that this species would then grow exponentially.

And here's where the argument falls down. People (and the Salarians) want the Krogan to socially evolve beyond what their level would have been if they hadn't been raised but aren't given them an incentive to do so. The raising up has dramatically shifted the social and political growth of the Krogans but no one in the MEU wants to take responsibility for this.

Curing the Genophage with the caveat of doing something similar/worse if the Krogans decided to run rampage gives them the chance to evolve to the same social level as the other species.

[remydat]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

pls sir stop, coz i can rephrase alter that statement to the krogan. well "most if not all krogan are warmongers, settle everything with aggression, rediculouly stupid at times." and they teach their chilldren thesame. thats why they all have to go. mistakes a 100yrs ago? korgans live for over 2000+ yrs.

KROGAN CHILDREN ANY DIFFERENT HELL NO!!!! they nuke their own planet. and they love destroying other planets coz they "LOVE TO DIE!" and they dont seem to give a ****.. so yeah! stupid is as stupid does!

problem is stupid is in krogan genes that cant be prevented. they maybe sentient but their INVASIVE. a threat. SUPER STRONG AND STUPID DONT MIX. their form of stupid is not just without intellegence but not thinking things through before they act.

Why kill them because their a threat. krogan rebellion a good reminder. continuous krogan stupidity after the genophage more reminders. period they cant be saved STUPID is in their genes!

for every wrex their's a billion wreav. for every bakara a billion stupiid krogan. can't help that. condemn them yeah.
KILL THEM coz their ugly definitely YEAH! and yeah krogan are NOT COOL. they f*cken UGLY! KILL THEM all yeah!

Artifex_Imperius

What crime did the present day Krogan committ?  And there is your problem.  No crime has been committed period.  And I find it amusing how quickly you abandon the Krogan. You came on here claiming that Quarian and Krogan children don't deserve it and then when pressed pretty much abandon that position and now are arguing for killing Krogan babies, lol. .

As for the rest of your rant, like I said, you should probably go hug someone.  You appear to be taking this fictional story a bit too seriously, lol.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

Damn I think I should stop taking you seriously...

I guess you missed the joke part.  I still find it amusing that people think just because a women can have a lot of children it must mean she will.  By this logic, every women on earth should have like 30 kids since it is biologically possible for them to do so over the course of their fertile lives.

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Damn I think I should stop taking you seriously...

I guess you missed the joke part.  I still find it amusing that people think just because a women can have a lot of children it must mean she will.  By this logic, every women on earth should have like 30 kids since it is biologically possible for them to do so over the course of their fertile lives.

I didn't miss the joke part. It's just tastess. I didn't even tell you anything about Krogan birth rates. Only their inherit violance and their wanting for revenge.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

I didn't miss the joke part. It's just tastess. I didn't even tell you anything about Krogan birth rates. Only their inherit violance and their wanting for revenge.

The bold requires you to disregard what Eve says about what the females believe.  That is the point.  The joke was meant to illuminate the fact that people keep saying stuff like the bold when Eve flat out tells you the females don't want violence or revenge.  The fact no one on the other side ever acknowledges this unless it is pointed out to them and even then just dismiss it is problematic as Mordin would say especially when it is the females that Eve says don't want revenge that bear the brunt of the genophage.  Krogan males don't give birth.  Krogan males aren't the ones wandering in the wilderness hoping they get killed by a thresher more.  Krogan males are not the ones holding their dead stillborn children in their hands.  Tasteless or not, you continue to ignore the point.  Why don't these women who don't want war or violence have to suffer more stillborn babies?

[Whybother]

Morlath wrote...
You have a good point. However there's one small issue that is overlooked when it comes to the Krogan and their attitudes towards breeding.

The Salarians "raised up" the Krogans to use as shock troops to defeat the Rachni. In terms of social evolution the Krogan were not ready to leave their planet. Once raised-up, you have an incredibly adaptive species with a high birthrate brought into new areas and it's only natural that this species would then grow exponentially.

And here's where the argument falls down. People (and the Salarians) want the Krogan to socially evolve beyond what their level would have been if they hadn't been raised but aren't given them an incentive to do so. The raising up has dramatically shifted the social and political growth of the Krogans but no one in the MEU wants to take responsibility for this.

Curing the Genophage with the caveat of doing something similar/worse if the Krogans decided to run rampage gives them the chance to evolve to the same social level as the other species.

I understand what you mean.  We are never given that choice, though, at least not explicitly.  The game (IMHO) places more of an emphasis on "the Krogan will be different this time because of free will" rather than "the Krogan will be different this time because Genophage v2 will be even worse."

The most a Renegade Shepard can do (assuming he's going to cure the Genophage) is emphasize that s/he needs the Krogan for shock troops and that is the only reason s/he is curing them.  If a Renegade could make an explicit threat about a future Genophage - even being able to save Mordin by convincing him that you'll need a backup plan in case Wrex goes rogue - I'd be more comfortable with a cure.

[S.A.K]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

I didn't miss the joke part. It's just tastess. I didn't even tell you anything about Krogan birth rates. Only their inherit violance and their wanting for revenge.

The bold requires you to disregard what Eve says about what the females believe.  That is the point.  The joke was meant to illuminate the fact that people keep saying stuff like the bold when Eve flat out tells you the females don't want violence or revenge.  The fact no one on the other side ever acknowledges this unless it is pointed out to them and even then just dismiss it is problematic as Mordin would say especially when it is the females that Eve says don't want revenge that bear the brunt of the genophage.  Krogan males don't give birth.  Krogan males aren't the ones wandering in the wilderness hoping they get killed by a thresher more.  Krogan males are not the ones holding their dead stillborn children in their hands.  Tasteless or not, you continue to ignore the point.  Why don't these women who don't want war or violence have to suffer more stillborn babies?

I got that. I also don't have anything against the Krogan and infact I don't support betraying them for the most part. The thing is the violant males are seems to be in command. I was saying curing the Genophage with the wrong guy inchage can actually result in the extinction of the Krogan. I thought it's pretty simple to understand.

[remydat]

S.A.K wrote...

I got that. I also don't have anything against the Krogan and infact I don't support betraying them for the most part. The thing is the violant males are seems to be in command. I was saying curing the Genophage with the wrong guy inchage can actually result in the extinction of the Krogan. I thought it's pretty simple to understand.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Eve

Only if we assume that this leader can actually get everyone to agree with him.  Even with Wrex dead Eve opposes Wreav.  In the end game, Wreav complains about Eve and the females opposing him.  So sure, there is a risk but I side with the women and the unborn babies.

[Morlath]

Whybother wrote...

I understand what you mean.  We are never given that choice, though, at least not explicitly.  The game (IMHO) places more of an emphasis on "the Krogan will be different this time because of free will" rather than "the Krogan will be different this time because Genophage v2 will be even worse."

The most a Renegade Shepard can do (assuming he's going to cure the Genophage) is emphasize that s/he needs the Krogan for shock troops and that is the only reason s/he is curing them.  If a Renegade could make an explicit threat about a future Genophage - even being able to save Mordin by convincing him that you'll need a backup plan in case Wrex goes rogue - I'd be more comfortable with a cure.

I like the idea of trying to convice Mordin to insert some type of failsafe or something that might make the cure on a timer (as in stops working) unless something else is done. A failsafe is definitely in a renegade attitude to want to impliment.

I just don't see how not curing the genophage is good for a renegade unless they're anti-alien/Krogan. You've got brilliant shock troops plus you get the Turian fleet. Going with the back-stab only works if Shepard is deliberately being a total bastard.

[Artifex_Imperius]

remydat wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Damn I think I should stop taking you seriously...

I guess you missed the joke part.  I still find it amusing that people think just because a women can have a lot of children it must mean she will.  By this logic, every women on earth should have like 30 kids since it is biologically possible for them to do so over the course of their fertile lives.

coz they didnt use their children as foder do that in the previous rebellion and the planets korgan lived in did not get destroyed seriously dude do you even play the game?

seriously dude, the game shows the krogan as over breeding and uncontrollable. or are we talking about your head canon.

eve as an example sersiously and rest of the females? as if the MOST of the females are like eve? get the jist of the game. most krogan females would also want revenge only wrex and eve dont. yeah!

did any recent crimes? like they paid for their previous crime... galaxy is not on human time! they have not paid enough!

as if krogan children would be less aggressive or warlike. krogan cant turn off. krogans cant take a hint from turians turn off or calm down.

but yeah krogans can be forgiven for the crimes... but NEVER EVER Forget what they did or what they can do!

remydat wrote...

And I am pretty sure that accoding to
Eve, most females don't want revenge.  She said Wreav would have a civil
war if that is the path he chooses.  I like how whenever people talk
about the Krogan, it's like the opinion of females don't matter.  Why
don't you like women SAK?  Why?  Ok, that last part was a joke but the
point is why is it no one on the other side seems to even consider
that maybe just maybe a Krogan female doesn't want to spend the rest of
her life with her legs spread wide open so a penis can be inserted? 

how
false is this statement, are you speaking in behalf of the female
krogan that their actually peaceful? and yeah krogan female dont use her
body as soldier manufacturing machine?

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 05 mai 2013 - 12:11 .

[remydat]

Let's clarify some history.

The Salarian used Krogan children as cannon fodder. They uplifted them to fight the Rachni and the Krogan were able to win because with Salarian and Asari consent, they were able to breed children and send them to war. The breeding only became a problem post war when the Krogan needed to replenish all those people they lost in the war the Salarians and Asari uplifted them to fight. So it is pretty f**king hypo to cry about Krogan birth rates when you uplifted them and encouraged them to breed uncontrollable during the Rachni War. Maybe instead of killing babies the Council should look in the mirror and recognize the person staring back is part of the problem and figure out how to not be a hypocrtical ****** this time.



Did you miss where Eve says most females will resist? Did you miss where Eve says civil war will result if Wreav tries? Sorry I paid attention to the game. Perhaps you should listen to the dialogue above before you claim things.  You have no proof that the females will want revenge and the game is 100% clear in providing evidence they do not want to watch another generation of their children sent to the slaughterhouse.

Modifié par remydat, 05 mai 2013 - 12:19 .

[Whybother]

Morlath wrote...
I like the idea of trying to convice Mordin to insert some type of failsafe or something that might make the cure on a timer (as in stops working) unless something else is done. A failsafe is definitely in a renegade attitude to want to impliment.

I just don't see how not curing the genophage is good for a renegade unless they're anti-alien/Krogan. You've got brilliant shock troops plus you get the Turian fleet. Going with the back-stab only works if Shepard is deliberately being a total bastard.

Because Renegade Shepard thinks he can get the Krogan and the Salarians, or at least not have to worry about the Krogan going on an expansion spree and setting the stage for ME4.  (A "zero-knowledge" Shepard would have no reason to think that Wrex could figure out the deception before the end of the war.)

Honestly if the Rachni Queen understands when you commit genocide against her race, Wrex should understand that we want him to get a food taster first.

[Bardox9]

remydat wrote...

Let's clarify some history.

The Salarian used Krogan children as cannon fodder. They uplifted them to fight the Rachni and the Krogan were able to win because with Salarian and Asari consent, they were able to breed children and send them to war. The breeding only became a problem post war when the Krogan needed to replenish all those people they lost in the war the Salarians and Asari uplifted them to fight. So it is pretty f**king hypo to cry about Krogan birth rates when you uplifted them and encouraged them to breed uncontrollable during the Rachni War. Maybe instead of killing babies the Council should look in the mirror and recognize the person staring back is part of the problem and figure out how to not be a hypocrtical ****** this time.



Did you miss where Eve says most females will resist? Did you miss where Eve says civil war will result if Wreav tries? Sorry I paid attention to the game. Perhaps you should listen to the dialogue above before you claim things.  You have no proof that the females will want revenge and the game is 100% clear in providing evidence they do not want to watch another generation of their children sent to the slaughterhouse.

You seriously underestimate the krogan birth rate and lust for violence...



"A krogan female of breeding age can produce clutches of up to 1,000 fertilized eggs over the course of a years. There are over one billion femals on Tuchanka. If even one percent become fully feritle they can birth ten billion infants."

Doesn't matter how many of the females resist when one willing female (which considering their barbaric nature "willing" may not matter) is all that is needed to create a platoon. The Genophage is morally wrong. Betraying the Krogan is morally wrong. But it is a necessary evil to maintain galactic stability. Which is pretty much a spectre's job description. Do whatever it takes to maintain galactic stability.