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[LilLino]

mauro2222 wrote...

Can you quit with the stereotypes? Every actor or singer must be gay to you if you follow such line of thinking.

...Maybe they all are? *drama music*

Anyway, Kaidan was planned as BI in ME1 but they scrapped the idea. You can still get the romance through save edit though and some lines are even recorded.

I personally don't have any problems with Kaidan being BI and I certainly don't have any idea how you can define if a person is bi/gay/straight from the looks only. Yeah, there are some weirdos on this planet, but mostly you can't look a person in the eyes and define his sexuality -_>.

[Reth Shepherd]

eddieoctane wrote...

bboynexus wrote...

The idea was to have ONE gay option, ONE lesbian option, and ONE bisexual option.

Diversity.

Yay diversity. How noble of BioWare...

I believe Kaiden was supposed to be bisexual in ME1. But it got cut for some reason or other.

Yep, he was indeed. They even got so far as to record lines for a gay romance, which can be found in the game files or if one mods the game. For the record, Ashley was supposed to be bi as well. I believe it had something to do with being worried about media reactions. Probably not unjustified, considering ME1 got banned somewhere over in Asia because of a human-alien romance (Liara), and Fox News somehow getting the idea that ME1 was a porn simulator.

[Toolbox 24]

Mordak55 wrote...

Since when was Kaidan Bisexual

I quoted your title, but to answer your question in a purile way - since ManShep wanted to get his ding dong muddy...that's when.

And when the Saviour of the Citadel comes a bum-knocking, you don't say no, you just bend over and bite the pillow.

But in a more serious way, in ME1 it feels more like FemShep and Ashley have these little flirty ways of chatting to each other in the loading bay than ManShep and Kaiden do. I just think in the 2100's everybody's bisexual to a degree, some more than others, some less than others.

There.

[Saans Shadow]

Since when does it matter? Even though I don't play a Maleshep ever, being a gay man myself I liked the idea of Kaiden being bi, I think it fits his personality better anyway.

[Red Dust]

When Dr. Eva picked him up by the face and dashed his head to bits against a flaming transporter wreck.

Speaking of, how come I can't get EDI to do that same trick to people? It would be useful. I mean, leaping out of flaming wreckage and picking up a fully grown fully armored man by his face? With one hand? Why is she not my "strong guy" to replace the Krogan I don't have? Know what I don't need? A redundant pure-tech user.

Modifié par Red Dust, 12 septembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[TK514]

Special K being Bi didn't bother me nearly as much as the awkward forgetfulness of his attempt at starting the romance, particularly as it relates to Male Shep.

"Shepard, have you ever known me to be...close, to anyone?"

The response should have been, "Well, the majority of our social interaction to this point happened during the mission to stop Saren, and you pretty much just talked about a girl you were in love with and killed a Turian over. I'd say that would fit the definition of being 'close' to someone, so yeah."

[xbb1024]

Red Dust wrote...

When Dr. Eva picked him up by the face and dashed his head to bits against a flaming transporter wreck.

Speaking of, how come I can't get EDI to do that same trick to people? It would be useful. I mean, leaping out of flaming wreckage and picking up a fully grown fully armored man by his face? With one hand? Why is she not my "strong guy" to replace the Krogan I don't have? Know what I don't need? A redundant pure-tech user.

This. I too would like Terminator EDI

[Fiery Phoenix]

According to my calculations, since the beginning of time. There could be a missing variable or two, though - in which case I'd have to improvise.

[Pitznik]

xbb1024 wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

When Dr. Eva picked him up by the face and dashed his head to bits against a flaming transporter wreck.

Speaking of, how come I can't get EDI to do that same trick to people? It would be useful. I mean, leaping out of flaming wreckage and picking up a fully grown fully armored man by his face? With one hand? Why is she not my "strong guy" to replace the Krogan I don't have? Know what I don't need? A redundant pure-tech user.

This. I too would like Terminator EDI

Teammates have their awesome powers only in cutscenes, not in game. On the other hand, biotic Shepard loses all his biotics in cutscenes and acts like a simple soldier. Balanced!

[LeandroBraz]

Mordak55 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

Just played through as Male Shep for the second time, romance Ash the fist time, this time had Kaiden as VS, and noticed that he was getting romance options. While I dont mind as such, there was no hint of this in ME1. 

Why did BW decide to make him Bi, and why not Ashley as well, or in fact every character?, its not like therre were no option for Male Shep, Steve for example, my Male Shep was mates with Steve while romancing Ashley, and I liked Steves character development. But Kaidan's seems forced to me. 

Because maybe kaidan was always bisexual or wasn't expressing his sexuality because of the fear or anger he may receive from others also their were no gay romances for male shepard in the past

I suppose.

I don't mind that BW have decided that he's Bisexual, it just seems strange that there is no mention of it anywhere until ME3.

If its just to give players other options, I am surprised that they didn't do the same to Ashley, as you could use the same arguements about her. 

Far as I know, Kaidan would be bissexual on ME1, but they cut it. When they decided to add gay romance on ME3, Kaidan was a natural choice, which was a good idea. My gay friend, for example, played the first two games without doing romances, knowing that ME3 would have the option to romance Kaidan (he started in 2011, when I already knew about the gay options), that he liked since ME1. So for him, was like the romance started on ME1, but he couldn't actually make Shepard express it in the first two game. For him, Shepard was gay since ever, same for Kaidan... It can be awkward for us, but for a gay player, is nice to have someone since ME1 that they can relate with..

Modifié par LeandroBraz, 12 septembre 2012 - 02:26 .

[Prince Lex]

Why do people keep calling this a retcon when it's absolutely not a retcon?

Kaidan was originally planned as a S/S romance option in ME1. If you have him flagged as a continuing romance for a Maleshep in the ME2 - ME3 there's actually extra mShep/Kaidan dialogue (on Mars).

It's not a retcon, it's the continuation of what was supposed to be there in ME1.

Modifié par Prince Lex, 12 septembre 2012 - 02:27 .

[MrScottBear]

Prince Lex wrote...

Why do people keep calling this a retcon when it's absolutely not a retcon?

Kaidan was originally planned as a S/S romance option in ME1. If you have him flagged as a continuing romance for a Maleshep in the ME2 - ME3 there's actually extra mShep/Kaidan dialogue (on Mars).

It's not a retcon, it's the continuation of what was supposed to be there in ME1.

 I was unaware of that.  Kinda awesome they'd actually use an event flag like that that only Save modders could really work with.

Anyway, I'd wager Kaidan was, like every gay person, gay since conception.  I actually thought his revelation to Shepard worked pretty well and is essentially "I was always attracted to you.  I just couldn't see it."  Certainly more realistic than some of the other romances in ME.

[Daxamite]

dont you remember all the media uproar about the sex scene in ME1? is it surprising that they cut out any hint of bisexuality in kaidan? Im surprised they got away with it with Liara (although she's an alien and also it's woman with "woman" and lesbianism is somehow ok and gay is not).

[Bill Casey]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

How can you look at Kaidan and not think 'gay'? Well, bisexual, but he's still the type. Ashley is not.

[Chardonney]

LeandroBraz wrote...

It can be awkward for us, but for a gay player, is nice to have someone since ME1 that they can relate with..

I'm a straight girl who has gay friends and I certainly don't find it awkward in any way. Just the opposite, actually. Just finished a playthough with maleShep/Cortez pairing and the next playthough will be maleShep/Kaidan. Depends on the player, I guess. I just wish that BioWare would have had enough guts to make this happen already in ME1 without the use of save editor, instead of cutting it out.

Modifié par Chardonney, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:18 .

[MissOuJ]

IsaacShep wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

I took it as a "Brothers in Arms" thing myself, but what ever works for you lol.

Ohh my Shep sure took him in his arms in ME3

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Prince Lex wrote...

Why do people keep calling this a retcon when it's absolutely not a retcon?

Kaidan was originally planned as a S/S romance option in ME1. If you have him flagged as a continuing romance for a Maleshep in the ME2 - ME3 there's actually extra mShep/Kaidan dialogue (on Mars).

It's not a retcon, it's the continuation of what was supposed to be there in ME1.

Ashley was also supposed to be a S/S romance option, wasn't she? I was actually a bit sad that didn't carry over to ME3 - there are so few outspoken Christian LGBT individuals in the media.

Also sad canonically bisexual Jack wasn't a S/S option in ME2

Modifié par MissOuJ, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:35 .

[tholloway93]

just make sure to not be over friendly! i was talking to cortez my first playthrough getting to know his character (before i even knew he was gay) then i started doing all the nice replies and got hit on, was like slow down cowboy im reserved for liara

[BDelacroix]

Since Bioware wanted to appear hip and PC.

[shepskisaac]

tholloway93 wrote...

just make sure to not be over friendly! i was talking to cortez my first playthrough getting to know his character (before i even knew he was gay) then i started doing all the nice replies and got hit on, was like slow down cowboy im reserved for liara

Nonsense, you can't get hit on by Cortez unless you tell him that he should be looking at you because you're "eye candy too". Looks like we know you did say it to him

Modifié par IsaacShep, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:47 .

[Taboo]

Rubios wrote...

Since birth.

[element eater]

he wasnt bi he was strait in me1 he mentioned liking liara or shep if ur a women and had no interest in man shep.

but then it doesnt realy matter aslong as it makes people happy its not like it malkes a differance to the game as a whole 

Modifié par element eater, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:54 .

[Chardonney]

element eater wrote...

he wasnt bi he was clearly strait in me1 he mentioned liking liara or shep if ur a women and had no interest in man shep.

but then it doesnt realy matter aslong as it makes people happy

He was written as bi in ME1 but they cut it out. The files were/are still there and you could/can access them through the save editor.

[element eater]

Chardonney wrote...

He was written as bi in ME1 but they cut it out. The files were/are still there and you could/can access them through the save editor.

well thats cool he seemed strait to me but then i never realy gave it much thought tbh. like i say i dont realy see the issue either way 

[zRz Tyr]

Kaidan was REHPED by Bioware 

Modifié par zRz Tyr, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:58 .