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[IllusiveManJr]

I knew Kaidan was bisexual since ME1 with his little twinkle-toes dance he did while we were on the Citadel.

[Ozida]

Actually, the whole Kaidan-gay/ bisexual situation throws me off a bit, to be honest. Now, I have nothing against gay people. Cortez was actually a very sweet character to have around and I appreciate BioWare giving this diversity... but common! You suppose to create diversity by adding new characters, not "transforming" old ones. I mean, let's make Garus gay too! And Wrex (wouldn't you love that krogan in your bed)?.. After all, they didn't make Ash lesbian as far as I am aware, so why did they turn my male-Shep's buddy Kaidan into some person Commander is no longer comfortable being around?

[Mordak55]

Sauruz wrote...

Every since you changed the thread title.

Changed it cos someone declared the he was "BI NOT GAY", so I changed it keep folks happy. I dont really care I just found it a strange change of direction for the character, that had not as far as I had been aware been part of ME1. 

[Mordak55]

Eloise K wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's not a retcon but it was NEVER established which side of the fence Kaidan swung on to begin with. Without that establishment, you CANNOT call Kaidan's bisexuality a retcon.

True.
As far as I'm concerned what I find irritating is that at this point FemShep doesn't have an exclusive straight relationship aside from Garrus' (and Thane and Jacob, by hey, it's not like they've been treated fairly in ME3 anyways).
I don't mind gay or bi or asexual characters, as long as FemShep and MaleShep have an equal treatment in regards to LIs (and story-wise).

Male Shep has more options by far. 

[Blueprotoss]

J. Reezy wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...just thinking of the atrocious and disgusting stereotype they turned Jacob into gets me mad.

To be fair Jacob did act like his father.

Not really. Even if he did that's not the point.

How is that because the "father like son" analogy is most true in life and its nothing wrong to be done in a video game.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Mordak55 wrote...

Just played through as Male Shep for the second time, romance Ash the fist time, this time had Kaiden as VS, and noticed that he was getting romance options. While I dont mind as such, there was no hint of this in ME1. 

Why did BW decide to make him Bi, and why not Ashley as well, or in fact every character?, its not like therre were no option for Male Shep, Steve for example, my Male Shep was mates with Steve while romancing Ashley, and I liked Steves character development. But Kaidan's seems forced to me. 

For gods sake...

Kaidan was bi in ME1 before release, but was cut (bad move). I don't think t qualify as gay or bi that they have to exactly SAY they are before the romance, else how is their character built as the story goes? In ME3 they very nicely had Kaidan come out to manshep and none of the dialogue was emphasising his sexuality, which is important since it's not significant at that time (for those pursuing that particular romance). Just because a character isn't a romance option for the same sex shepard doesn't mean they are automatically straight. So many people who post here are incredibly naive and uneducated.

I refuse to even respond to these threads anymore...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I knew Kaidan was bisexual since ME1 with his little twinkle-toes dance he did while we were on the Citadel.

He's gay only in my game <3

Femshep would know he likes men, so she'd dump him and tell him to not avoid being himeself.

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:02 .

[Blueprotoss]

J. Reezy wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

How is that because the "father like son" analogy is most true in life and its nothing wrong to be done in a video game.

The point  →  →  → ●
Your head  →    → 

Insulting people wouldn't change anything especially when you're focusing on personal opinion instead of the facts.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[Mordak55]

Bill Casey wrote...

bboynexus wrote...

The idea was to have ONE gay option, ONE lesbian option, and ONE bisexual option.

Diversity.

Diana Allers, Kelly Chambers and Liara T'Soni are bisexual love interests...

Diana Allers is no one's interest. lol really bad character. 

[wizardryforever]

Mordak55 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

bboynexus wrote...

The idea was to have ONE gay option, ONE lesbian option, and ONE bisexual option.

Diversity.

Diana Allers, Kelly Chambers and Liara T'Soni are bisexual love interests...

Diana Allers is no one's interest. lol really bad character. 

Also, Kelly isn't an actual LI.  You don't actually do anything with her, and what you do do with her doesn't actually pop the "Paramour" achievement.  And Liara isn't bisexual, because the concept of sexuality based on gender is meaningless to asari.  Any relationship with Liara is one-sided, orientation-wise.

So really, the really poorly designed Allers is the only anomaly.  She was clearly designed to appeal to (as much as I hate to say it) "IGN nerds," who like Chobot outside of the game.  And "Girl on Girl is Hot" is a trope for a reason.

[Oni Changas]

A man is either gay or straight. Bi is for the confused who haven't quite grown up.

[Ryzaki]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...just thinking of the atrocious and disgusting stereotype they turned Jacob into gets me mad.

To be fair Jacob did act like his father.

...who was also another disgusting sterotype with some sexism and rape thrown in for good measure.

[Valadhiel87]

I know they didn't go through it in ME1 (for whatever reason), but I still had the feeling there was more than friendship between them him and mShep...
Regs were a huge problem for him with femShep, so coupled with his interest being male, maybe it was just too much for him to act on? ;-)
Or he just decided, that since the end is looming, he needs someone to feel close to and decides he doesn't care so much about gender...

[mauro2222]

OniTYME wrote...

A man is either gay or straight. Bi is for the confused who haven't quite grown up.

You're trolling



... are you?

[Biotic_Warlock]

mauro2222 wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

A man is either gay or straight. Bi is for the confused who haven't quite grown up.

You're trolling



... are you?

Unfortunatly a lot of non trolls are naive to believe this.
Those who say bi doesn't exist are as bad as homophobes, if not worse.

[CrimsonN7]

Oh these topics never end well, just another avenue to spew homophobic nonsense. Simple answer he was original meant to be a bi option in the first game but was cut. Should have stuck to their guns but eh no point complaining now, the option was brought back in ME3, happy for those who would like to have him as an option for their broshep. I only play femshep myself and always save Ashley so I don't see much of Kaidan anyway.

[IllusiveManJr]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I knew Kaidan was bisexual since ME1 with his little twinkle-toes dance he did while we were on the Citadel.

He's gay only in my game <3

Femshep would know he likes men, so she'd dump him and tell him to not avoid being himeself.

That's funny.

Modifié par theillusiveman11, 13 septembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[ghost9191]

well i think it is nice to have a purely heterosexual female ash, not sure why they did that to kaiden, i mean they had cortez. just mean a hetero male and female would be nice although they had garrus and tali but still

they did better job with ME3 then DA2 though, at least you could let them down gently, rather then straight up breaking their heart

no problem with it though, not like it was forced, unlike DA2 , hard to avoid that was

Modifié par ghost9191, 13 septembre 2012 - 11:04 .

[Zkyire]

Kaidan was always heterosexual!

No he wasn't, he was always bisexual! They just cut it from ME1!

If it never made the cut, then it isn't canon!

But that's what they intended!

An early draft doesn't mean it's the final story. It never made it in, so adding it in *now* is a retcon!

No it's not a retcon because it was never said he wasn't bisexual!

You don't have to proclaim it!

Yes you do!

No you don't!

How many times has this exact thread been made/discussed?

I don't even care to try anymore.

[Yuqi]

Eloise K wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's not a retcon but it was NEVER established which side of the fence Kaidan swung on to begin with. Without that establishment, you CANNOT call Kaidan's bisexuality a retcon.

True.
As far as I'm concerned what I find irritating is that at this point FemShep doesn't have an exclusive straight relationship aside from Garrus' (and Thane and Jacob, by hey, it's not like they've been treated fairly in ME3 anyways).
I don't mind gay or bi or asexual characters, as long as FemShep and MaleShep have an equal treatment in regards to LIs (and story-wise).

Bioware secretly wants Femshep to prefer woman,or asari.

[ghost9191]

Zkyire wrote...

Kaidan was always heterosexual!

No he wasn't, he was always bisexual! They just cut it from ME1!

If it never made the cut, then it isn't canon!

But that's what they intended!

An early draft doesn't mean it's the final story. It never made it in, so adding it in *now* is a retcon!

No it's not a retcon because it was never said he wasn't bisexual!

You don't have to proclaim it!

Yes you do!

No you don't!

How many times has this exact thread been made/discussed?

I don't even care to try anymore.

did you just have a argument with yourself? or

[Jvolikas]

 Since ME3 decided to make him bisexual.  Was never even remotely hinted at in ME1 (I dont consider the cut content)

Modifié par Jvolikas, 13 septembre 2012 - 11:20 .

[MACharlie1]

Jvolikas wrote...

 Since ME3 decided to make him bisexual.  Was never even remotely hinted at in ME1

I had no idea bisexual people had to give hints of who they're attracted to.

[Eterna]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

A man is either gay or straight. Bi is for the confused who haven't quite grown up.

You're trolling



... are you?

Unfortunatly a lot of non trolls are naive to believe this.
Those who say bi doesn't exist are as bad as homophobes, if not worse.

I believe that Bisexuality exists, but I also believe a lot of people who say they're bisexual are not.