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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Quite honestly I was surprised to find Liara available for femShep, but BW sneaked their way around that one with the "mono-gendered alien" thing.

What's so surprising about Kaiden being bi-sexual? Maybe he just figured it out. Sometimes it takes people a while. I knew a guy didn't know he was bi until he was in his 30s.

[jokey javik]

eddieoctane wrote...

bboynexus wrote...

The idea was to have ONE gay option, ONE lesbian option, and ONE bisexual option.

Diversity.

Yay diversity. How noble of BioWare...

I believe Kaiden was supposed to be bisexual in ME1. But it got cut for some reason or other.

Well there was more than one reason for one they had already stirred up controversy by having the liara romance in me1 (blame fox) and that would leave ashley as the only straight romance option and making her bisexual would have seemed like a strecth do to personality and the fact that having everyone on the ship be bisexual would not make sense, and first one out the gate you don't want to get to crazy and you have to set your own line of development comfort because in me1 they had sex scenes (light as they were) how many straight developers would feel comfortable animating it.

maybe thats why every other scene was fade to black except liara or just development time in general
(blame or thank EA)

As for kaidens in me3 well maybe the writers forgot he was hetero they certainally forgot more important  things in the story besides that. But for me he died at virmire as that guy I only talked to maybe twice and left out of the party once I got garrus.

[Hey]

I'm not sure everything requires a fore shadow. You meet someone and they may not be what you construct in your head. Later more is revealed. This is ok to me.

[Ice Cold J]

Since someone at Bioware had a "great idea..."

[corkey sweet]

Mordak55 wrote...

Just played through as Male Shep for the second time, romance Ash the fist time, this time had Kaiden as VS, and noticed that he was getting romance options. While I dont mind as such, there was no hint of this in ME1. 

Why did BW decide to make him Bi, and why not Ashley as well, or in fact every character?, its not like therre were no option for Male Shep, Steve for example, my Male Shep was mates with Steve while romancing Ashley, and I liked Steves character development. But Kaidan's seems forced to me. 

Same reason Anders from DA: Awekening wasn't mentioned as being Bi. then it comes out of left field in DA2

[MACharlie1]

corkey sweet wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

Just played through as Male Shep for the second time, romance Ash the fist time, this time had Kaiden as VS, and noticed that he was getting romance options. While I dont mind as such, there was no hint of this in ME1. 

Why did BW decide to make him Bi, and why not Ashley as well, or in fact every character?, its not like therre were no option for Male Shep, Steve for example, my Male Shep was mates with Steve while romancing Ashley, and I liked Steves character development. But Kaidan's seems forced to me. 

Same reason Anders from DA: Awekening wasn't mentioned as being Bi. then it comes out of left field in DA2

Does it really come out of left field? Or is it your percieved notions of whats "normal" and not. 

In neither games, the fact that these two men also like men isn't presented as a plot twist. It's only a "twist" because neither characters were flamboyant men. Lets face it: when Zevran said he liked men nobody was that surprised. It's your sense of a sterotypical gay men that is making it "come from left field". 

And note I didn't say homophobic. 

[Hrothdane]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

What's so surprising about Kaiden being bi-sexual? Maybe he just figured it out. Sometimes it takes people a while. I knew a guy didn't know he was bi until he was in his 30s.

Exactly. Also, some people know for a long time but never act on it because they haven't yet accepted it and/or had their orientation affect their life much. Until they meet someone of the same sex that they are attracted to, they can just pretend to be exclusively straight and not have to deal with the social repurcussions of coming out.

[MACharlie1]

Hrothdane wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

What's so surprising about Kaiden being bi-sexual? Maybe he just figured it out. Sometimes it takes people a while. I knew a guy didn't know he was bi until he was in his 30s.

Exactly. Also, some people know for a long time but never act on it because they haven't yet accepted it and/or had their orientation affect their life much. Until they meet someone of the same sex that they are attracted to, they can just pretend to be exclusively straight and not have to deal with the social repurcussions of coming out.

....or there just wasn't anyone who tickled his fancy...yet. 

Has nobody been in the same room of members of the sex they're attracted to without being attracted to any of them? 

[Hrothdane]

MACharlie1 wrote...

....or there just wasn't anyone who tickled his fancy...yet. 

Has nobody been in the same room of members of the sex they're attracted to without being attracted to any of them? 

Of course. I call it the starboard cargo bay.

[corkey sweet]

MACharlie1 wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

Just played through as Male Shep for the second time, romance Ash the fist time, this time had Kaiden as VS, and noticed that he was getting romance options. While I dont mind as such, there was no hint of this in ME1. 

Why did BW decide to make him Bi, and why not Ashley as well, or in fact every character?, its not like therre were no option for Male Shep, Steve for example, my Male Shep was mates with Steve while romancing Ashley, and I liked Steves character development. But Kaidan's seems forced to me. 

Same reason Anders from DA: Awekening wasn't mentioned as being Bi. then it comes out of left field in DA2

Does it really come out of left field? Or is it your percieved notions of whats "normal" and not. 

In neither games, the fact that these two men also like men isn't presented as a plot twist. It's only a "twist" because neither characters were flamboyant men. Lets face it: when Zevran said he liked men nobody was that surprised. It's your sense of a sterotypical gay men that is making it "come from left field". 

And note I didn't say homophobic. 

Anders as a character took a 180 degree turn from awekening to DA2 as a personality in general. the Bi thing is just icing on the cake. Anders sucked in DA2 (not because he's BI) but because he was a whiney pansy. he was funny and sarcastic in Awekening. As for Kaiden, he was a lot less annoying than Racist Williams

Modifié par corkey sweet, 14 septembre 2012 - 02:29 .

[MACharlie1]

corkey sweet wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

Just played through as Male Shep for the second time, romance Ash the fist time, this time had Kaiden as VS, and noticed that he was getting romance options. While I dont mind as such, there was no hint of this in ME1. 

Why did BW decide to make him Bi, and why not Ashley as well, or in fact every character?, its not like therre were no option for Male Shep, Steve for example, my Male Shep was mates with Steve while romancing Ashley, and I liked Steves character development. But Kaidan's seems forced to me. 

Same reason Anders from DA: Awekening wasn't mentioned as being Bi. then it comes out of left field in DA2

Does it really come out of left field? Or is it your percieved notions of whats "normal" and not. 

In neither games, the fact that these two men also like men isn't presented as a plot twist. It's only a "twist" because neither characters were flamboyant men. Lets face it: when Zevran said he liked men nobody was that surprised. It's your sense of a sterotypical gay men that is making it "come from left field". 

And note I didn't say homophobic. 

Anders as a character took a 180 degree turn from awekening to DA2 as a personality in general. the Bi thing is just icing on the cake. Anders sucked in DA2 (not because he's BI) but because he was a whiney pansy. he was funny and sarcastic in Awekening. As for Kaiden, he was a lot less annoying than Racist Williams

I do agree with you on that. That his personality was quite whiny from his Awakening counterpart. I'm chalking it up to the whole Justice thing though. 

[Cyrax86]

FemShep lost Thane, Jacob cheats on FemShep, Samantha's LI lacks in quantity in comparison to Steve. Liara and now Kaiden are Bi. FemShep is losing her LI's, all while MShep gets more LI's. >

[Helios969]

corkey sweet wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

Just played through as Male Shep for the second time, romance Ash the fist time, this time had Kaiden as VS, and noticed that he was getting romance options. While I dont mind as such, there was no hint of this in ME1. 

Why did BW decide to make him Bi, and why not Ashley as well, or in fact every character?, its not like therre were no option for Male Shep, Steve for example, my Male Shep was mates with Steve while romancing Ashley, and I liked Steves character development. But Kaidan's seems forced to me. 

Same reason Anders from DA: Awekening wasn't mentioned as being Bi. then it comes out of left field in DA2

Does it really come out of left field? Or is it your percieved notions of whats "normal" and not. 

In neither games, the fact that these two men also like men isn't presented as a plot twist. It's only a "twist" because neither characters were flamboyant men. Lets face it: when Zevran said he liked men nobody was that surprised. It's your sense of a sterotypical gay men that is making it "come from left field". 

And note I didn't say homophobic. 

Anders as a character took a 180 degree turn from awekening to DA2 as a personality in general. the Bi thing is just icing on the cake. Anders sucked in DA2 (not because he's BI) but because he was a whiney pansy. he was funny and sarcastic in Awekening. As for Kaiden, he was a lot less annoying than Racist Williams

Funny, I thought Anders was a "whiney pansy" in DA:O...a trait he and Kaiden share.  I couldn't give two cents about which way they swing, but that they're whiny little b*tches does...

[CuseGirl]

Majority of ME fans are still straight cis-gendered men who need all demographics outside of their own to be explicitly shown to them EARLY on in media. Good portion of that group can't handle character changes down the road. That's why we have this "wow, Kaiden's bisexuality came out of left field" notion being thrown around.

Also, since we're roleplaying, those players who feel they ARE Shepard don't understand how to handle unwanted advances from the same-sex, so having to experience it on-screen, it's same as real-life I guess.

[Clayless]

Basically a lot of people assumed Kaidan was bi even in the first game.

Seriously, before I discovered there was no M/M romances I assumed he was bi too, and that was BEFORE I learned it was cut.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Bioware totally ruined Kaidan's character through idiotic fan service.

I hate it whenever a guy is sensitive he's made out to be gay or bisexual.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 14 septembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[Blueprotoss]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Bioware totally ruined Kaidan's character through idiotic fan service.

I hate it whenever a guy is sensitive he's made out to be gay or bisexual.

How is that when Kaidan's sexuaity wasn't that detailed and like in real life Kaidan could have changed.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Kaidan was heterosexual in ME1. What more is there to say? Stop pushing your political agenda where it doesn't belong.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 14 septembre 2012 - 06:10 .

[Bill Casey]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Kaidan was heterosexual in ME1.

Hidden files disagree with you...

[shepskisaac]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Kaidan was heterosexual in ME1. What more is there to say? Stop pushing your political agenda where it doesn't belong.

Kaidan definitely was into women in ME1, and that hasn't changed. When you can point us to a line where he says "I don't like dem lollipops", you will indeed be right he was heterosexual in ME1. Until then, you can't state it as a fact.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Bill Casey wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Kaidan was heterosexual in ME1.

Hidden files disagree with you...

So what? In the leaked script VS was suppose to betray you. Is that canon now too? You guys are grasping at straws.

[Binary_Helix 1]

IsaacShep wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Kaidan was heterosexual in ME1. What more is there to say? Stop pushing your political agenda where it doesn't belong.

Kaidan definitely was into women in ME1, and that hasn't changed. When you can point us to a line where he says "I don't like dem lollipops", you will indeed be right he was heterosexual in ME1. Until then, you can't state it as a fact.

How convenient. Set the burden of proof so high nobody can satisfy you.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 14 septembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[shepskisaac]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

How convenient. Set the burden of proof is so high nobody can satisfy you.

So high? It's a small, simple thing.

[What a Succulent Ass]

IsaacShep wrote...
Kaidan definitely was into women in ME1, and that hasn't changed. When you can point us to a line where he says "I don't like dem lollipops", you will indeed be right he was heterosexual in ME1. Until then, you can't state it as a fact.

MShep/Kaidan was added because of fan demand, lbr. 

But honestly, NHFT ABLOOBLOO RUINED FOREVER.

[LiquidGrape]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

How convenient. Set the burden of proof is so high nobody can satisfy you.

Apparently it is a staggering effort for some to stop presuming everyone is heterosexual in the absence of explicitly queer behaviour.

Was the romantic arc with Kaidan in ME3 the result of BioWare making calculated decisions? Naturally. But so were every other romance in the game. And no matter how many times the detractors might attempt to argue otherwise, there is absolutely no diegetic basis for the assertion that Kaidan is strictly heterosexual.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 14 septembre 2012 - 06:53 .