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[Binary_Helix 1]

IsaacShep wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

How convenient. Set the burden of proof is so high nobody can satisfy you.

So high? It's a small, simple thing.

It's also fallacious and no that doesn't mean fellatio.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence

[shepskisaac]

Random Jerkface wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Kaidan definitely was into women in ME1, and that hasn't changed. When you can point us to a line where he says "I don't like dem lollipops", you will indeed be right he was heterosexual in ME1. Until then, you can't state it as a fact.

MShep/Kaidan was added because of fan demand, lbr.

Fan demand most likely had a lot to do with it. But let's not pretend there wasn't a deliberate lack of gay romances for male Shepard in ME1 & ME2 for reasons that had little to do with "artistic vision of a character" if anything. If ME1 was made 10 years later, do you think Kaidan would only be available for FemShep in ME1 and that there wouldn't be a single gay-male LI in ME2?

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

and no that doesn't mean fellatio

And the point of adding this was? Let's hear it.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 septembre 2012 - 06:59 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

How convenient. Set the burden of proof is so high nobody can satisfy you.

Apparently it is a staggering effort for some to stop presuming everyone is heterosexual in the absence of explicitly queer behaviour.

Was the romantic arc with Kaidan in ME3 the result of BioWare making calculated decisions? Naturally. But so were every other romance in the game. And no matter how many times the detractors might attempt to argue otherwise, there is absolutely no diegetic basis for the assertion that Kaidan is strictly heterosexual.

Apparently it's also a staggering effort to presume anyone knows about fallacies like the evidence of absence.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You know I'm sitting here laughing at all of this. Kaiden is bisexual. LOLZ. Kaiden hits on maleShepard. LOLZ. and gets everyone's panties in a bunch.

Jacob dumps femShep for some PhD Cerberus hussy with a higher pay grade because he "wants to do things right." Yeah Jacob, should have let you do that tech run like you volunteered in ME2, but no, I saved your ass, and I saved your sorry ass again dragging it out of the line of fire. Why did I even bother? The Prize my ass. **** face.

Thane knows there's a cure for Kepral's available but doesn't get it and instead dies.

Kaiden is bisexual. My heart bleeds for you. LOLz.

[LiquidGrape]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Apparently it's also a staggering effort to presume anyone knows about fallacies like the evidence of absence.

How is this even remotely a matter of evidence of absence when Kaidan's bisexuality has been explicitly enforced? It seems to me you are projecting mechanics onto narrative with little regard for what the narrative is actually saying. In the previous games Kaidan's potential bisexuality was never manifested, granted, but neither was his potential heterosexuality ever singularly established. Kaidan likes women. Such was the only clue to Kaidan's sexuality we were provided prior to ME3. Both hetero and bisexual men are attracted to women. Thus, the only thing absent was an unequivocal confirmation of either.
You can argue all you want that BioWare's decision to render Kaidan a bisexual romance in ME3 was a glaring manipulattion and it still wouldn't impact the continuity or legitimacy of narrative in the slightest.

The supposition that Kaidan was bisexual in the previous games has some measure of basis now.
Kaidan's alleged heterosexuality, however, has been utterly disproven.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

You can't put lipstick on a pig. Pretty it up all you like but the rainbow coalition here is operating on a fallacy.

Facts and evidence? Nah. Just wild imaginings and reckless speculation. Just admit it was purely fan service and that's that.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:05 .

[shepskisaac]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

You can't put lipstick on a pig. Pretty it up all you like but the rainbow coalition here is operating on a fallacy.

Facts and evidence? Nah. Just wild imaginings and reckless speculation. Just admit it was purely fan service and that's that.

And wasn't lack of gay romances in both ME1 and ME2 a fan service to conservatives and/or straight people (especially straight guys) so they could get more romances while gay guys had nothing? Fan service for fan service.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Fine by me just don't change otherwise already established characters. It didn't go over well in DA2 either.

People want Cortez and Traynor available to FemShep and ManShep as well that doesn't mean it should happen.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:50 .

[Prince Lex]

But your argument fails because... nothing changed about Kaidan. He still likes women. It's like talking to a wall.

[Binary_Helix 1]

A person's sexuality is a pretty big part of who they are. For guys who chose Kaidan over Ashley it was bros before hoes.

Suddenly having Kaidan become a potential LI at a moment when you least expect is not what many wanted or liked. 

In the real world making your sexual attraction known can ruin friendships when it's not reciprocated. Happens all the time.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 14 septembre 2012 - 09:44 .

[Ninja Stan]

You know what else happens all the time? Threads getting closed. Kaiden has threads devoted to him in the ME3 Characters forum. Thank you.

End of line.

[Rip504]

Kaiden was not a surprise. It makes sense IMO. I always considered Kaiden as such.

Kaiden is a bit sensitive,maybe even a bit feminine. More so then Ashley and Liara... Tends to be a give away.(Sensitivity does not = BI derp!) I think BW had always intended this,just played it a bit safe in ME1.