I have quite a few play throughs of DA2 finished up. I've rival/friended Anders. I've romanced and bullied him! I've killed him and sided with him multipul times but it always leaves me wondering. What happens to Justice. I've heard before the whole "they are one" spiel but I'm sorry I just do not think that's true. For all of Anders talk in act 1 I think that later comment from him in the game and Justice "coming out" at verious points prove otherwise. So where is he? Floating around out there? Possessing trees? Still tagging along with my rival/beaten down Anders? Will we see him in DA3? Any insight out there?
What happened to Justice?!?
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gonzalez.melissa53
, sept. 12 2012 05:45
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 05:50
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Upon Anders' death, Justice was transformed into Schrodinger's Cat. He is both alive and dead simultaneously. He returned to the Fade and stayed in the mortal world. He found a new host and is still searching for one.
Which of these possibilities comes true depends entirely on Bioware's plans for the character.
Which of these possibilities comes true depends entirely on Bioware's plans for the character.
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 05:23
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Has Justice pretty much turned into Vengence due to Anders anger problems?
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 06:07
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I think he has. But I have to wonder if the writers wont somehow want to redeem him. I always fround him to be such an interesting character. In Awakening I felt there were a lot of warning that he wasn't going to be able to handle being out of the fade and I felt really bad for him. It was pretty clear that things couldn't go well for him. I just hope they don't let such an interesting character go with out further developement. There's still room for an amazing story I think. XD
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 09:24
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Justice was awesome in DA:OA. I've always favoured the more philosophical characters in games, and Justice was just that. I was mad about how they completely wretched his character in DA2, since there he was Anders crazy blue-ass sayjin mode, with roaring to boot. If they bring Justice back, then damn it bring JUSTICE back.
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 10:40
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I think after everything that happened he'll never be able to be "Justice" again. He'll either be a demon or a tormented spirit. Maybe there is some way for him to come into his own "mortal" form. But having known envy and hate I don't think he can ever go back. I have hope for him. Here too at least a meanful, moving end to one original charater.
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 10:47
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Also, XD just want to say I loved Anders and the changes that he went through. I think the changes could have been better... told or shown for lack of better words but it was moving. I mean he was this roguish lovable mage who really didn't care about anyone but himself. By merging the two we came away with a very deep and troubled Anders. One who was compelling in his drive and belief in a better future for magekind. I just wish they had developed "Justice" the spirit right along with him. I feel like he's in there struggling right along with Anders. Not fully able to understand things on a "human" level but still struggling to do the right thing. Kind of like a small child how is angry at someone cutting in line but doesn't know the proper response, you know? XD
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 01:25
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i quote Torpor
"Who would want to merge with that prig of a spirit?"
And if you think about it... Justice did turn into kind of a prig in DA2. the awakening one was at least, on some level spirit like. it might be just me but i almost think Justice was corrupted before he merged with Anders. i still get suspicious on why he wanted to stay in the mortal world in the first place. it all makes me suspicious.
"Who would want to merge with that prig of a spirit?"
And if you think about it... Justice did turn into kind of a prig in DA2. the awakening one was at least, on some level spirit like. it might be just me but i almost think Justice was corrupted before he merged with Anders. i still get suspicious on why he wanted to stay in the mortal world in the first place. it all makes me suspicious.
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 05:06
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If Anders lives, Justice (or Vengence now) is still a part of him. If Anders died then know one knows what happpens to him. David Gaider confirmed that if Hawke killed Anders, Anders is dead. Justice, however, may be another story.
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 05:31
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I blame Justice for changing the Anders I liked in Awakening into the Anders from DA2 even if Anders was partly to blame. If Justice is alive in Thedas then I hope to push him out of his host back into the fade where I hope to go inside the fade with the aid of Feynriel and kill him. To me Justice is not Justice, he is nothing more than a monster at this stage after what part he played a part in doing what was done in DA2.
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 05:35
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Interesting topic, really. Well justice is a spirit of Vengeance, probably stronger than a pride demon.
I think the scenario will be like this:
1) Keep anders alive and the spirit of vengeance can be in control.
2)Kill Anders and the spirit will join other demons once the veil is torn.
Your choice.
I think the scenario will be like this:
1) Keep anders alive and the spirit of vengeance can be in control.
2)Kill Anders and the spirit will join other demons once the veil is torn.
Your choice.
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 10:53
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I guess I'm accrediting human like feelings to a spirit here. I imagine that at the... end... with what happened he was horrified by the out come, much like Anders is if you have him in party while traveling to the docks. Disasters/attacks of that nature aren't, or at least don't appear to be common place. I feel like neither Justice nor Anders could fully understand the scope of damage and death that would result from their actions. Maybe even Justice in that moment would feel compelled to atone. So here I am XD I know that there could be more to that story. It's most likely going to be tragic. Possibly horrifing. But I want so bad to at least read it LOL. I'm a sucker for a good story!
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 01:40
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Maybe Justice will pull a Cole.
I agree with Mel here, that Justice may feel compelled to atone. Freed from Anders's thoughts and feelings, he might be able to sort out his own feelings and conclude that his actions were maybe not the best path to follow. If Anders is not dead, I suspect that Anders himself would have some regret about the results of his actions (I'm thinking about his inner conflict if you rival him as an indicator) as well, which would probably influence Justice, now Vengeance to a path of contrition.
What form would the atonement take though? You can't undo blowing up the Chantry. And I don't see them turning their backs on mages completely. How do you aid mages in the, at the very least, volatile society that exists in Thedas at the end of DA without adding fuel to the fire?
I agree with Mel here, that Justice may feel compelled to atone. Freed from Anders's thoughts and feelings, he might be able to sort out his own feelings and conclude that his actions were maybe not the best path to follow. If Anders is not dead, I suspect that Anders himself would have some regret about the results of his actions (I'm thinking about his inner conflict if you rival him as an indicator) as well, which would probably influence Justice, now Vengeance to a path of contrition.
What form would the atonement take though? You can't undo blowing up the Chantry. And I don't see them turning their backs on mages completely. How do you aid mages in the, at the very least, volatile society that exists in Thedas at the end of DA without adding fuel to the fire?
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 03:50
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Justice was a bit of a phoney from day one. Combining him with jerk face just really put an end to him.
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 03:57
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Justice will always be Justice, DA spirits are more of a theme than a personality as I see them. In DA2 he was being filtered through Anders corrupt and bigoted consciousness. I don't think what Justice was in essence changed at all. Then again I didn't play much DA2.
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 05:28
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Justice was a bit of a phoney from day one. Combining him with jerk face just really put an end to him.[/quote]
What???? Now you must exspain yourself LOL. Phoney? Jerk face? Really? LOL how do you come up with that?I just... don't get it and please don't take this as a personal attack. But wow... just... how?
What???? Now you must exspain yourself LOL. Phoney? Jerk face? Really? LOL how do you come up with that?I just... don't get it and please don't take this as a personal attack. But wow... just... how?
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 06:00
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Get fired up wrote...
Justice was awesome in DA:OA. I've always favoured the more philosophical characters in games, and Justice was just that. I was mad about how they completely wretched his character in DA2, since there he was Anders crazy blue-ass sayjin mode, with roaring to boot. If they bring Justice back, then damn it bring JUSTICE back.
Both Anders and Justice were a lot better within DA:OA. Good in different ways.
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 06:07
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Given his strong character arc between DA:O and DA2, like it or lump it, he has become "Vengeance" now (whether Anders lives or dies). That still makes the character quite interesting, but I think it highly unlikely that we'll get to play him again.
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 06:11
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@DeathSceper You didn't find them to be compelling in DA2? At all? Even though I hate how things end (and honestly that just pulls me in more) I find the changes in them both to be so tragic and well heartbreaking. I think it was a really well thought out change. I wish we could have seen how he was changing more. Anders should have been closer to his Awakening self at the start, you know but still. Very satisfing.
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 06:42
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I agree. I think a lot of the more interesting information about your compainions was buried in the codex. If you didn't read the entries, you didn't really know what had been going on with those characters for the past 3 years. You had to infer a lot from what happened on-screen rather than seeing the development.gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...
I wish we could have seen how he was changing more. Anders should have been closer to his Awakening self at the start, you know but still. Very satisfing.
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Posté 15 septembre 2012 - 01:35
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gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...
@DeathSceper You didn't find them to be compelling in DA2? At all? Even though I hate how things end (and honestly that just pulls me in more) I find the changes in them both to be so tragic and well heartbreaking. I think it was a really well thought out change. I wish we could have seen how he was changing more. Anders should have been closer to his Awakening self at the start, you know but still. Very satisfing.
As for me, I would have Hawke slap Anders silly before he could blow up the chantry. Also due to my grey warden fanboyism, i do wish there was more of a reason that Grey wardens would be in the main storyline due to the mage/templar situation. Mage/templar situation can spill over into Grey Warden's affairs and thus easily having Anders there. Also due to the same situation, having Justice involve.
But no matter what, I enjoy Anders and Justice regardless
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Posté 15 septembre 2012 - 02:18
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@DeathScepter I can see our next installment pulling in the Wardens more. I think when this holy war starts that they would not be able to avoid it. The fact that Anders was both a mage and a Warden may paint the chantery/templars regard of them. OH!!!! I can't wait!!!
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Posté 16 septembre 2012 - 11:37
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Imagine you knew one thing: Wrong doers must be brought before you and tried for their crimes, and sentenced fittingly.
Now you are essentially paired with a personality that believes those who have done him wrong must pay with their lives. The balance is tipped, and the ideal of justice becomes vengeance.
While I'm a sucker for vengeance, Justice is changed by this. He was not just offered a new perspective, it was forced on him. He is Vengeance now, and if Anders is alive, he is within him(Goddamn you Anders.. ><) If Anders is dead, he is now trapped in the Mortal realm(Where I think Spirits become insane or basically comatose unless they possess a body..Or..something?) I forget, but I think it was a one-way ticket for him.
Now you are essentially paired with a personality that believes those who have done him wrong must pay with their lives. The balance is tipped, and the ideal of justice becomes vengeance.
While I'm a sucker for vengeance, Justice is changed by this. He was not just offered a new perspective, it was forced on him. He is Vengeance now, and if Anders is alive, he is within him(Goddamn you Anders.. ><) If Anders is dead, he is now trapped in the Mortal realm(Where I think Spirits become insane or basically comatose unless they possess a body..Or..something?) I forget, but I think it was a one-way ticket for him.
