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[Yate]

THIS THREAD IS NOT TO **** ABOUT THE GAME. THERE ARE OTHER THREADS FOR THAT. THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH HATRED FLYING AROUND THE INTERNET AND I DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT HERE.

@ BioWare:

Look, you guys screwed up. Happens to the best of us. And it's OK. Extended Cut was awesome. There are always going to be people who don't like it, but at least now the series has a proper ending. Thank you.

The community gave you a lot of sh*t, some of it was deserved, but a lot wasn't. I think most of us realize that, and most of us don't hate you. Not really. We just want to see Shepard and friends get the best possible send-off. What we do, we do out of genuine love.

Of course, there are those who have sworn of BioWare games forever. I get that it's hard to see fans turn on you. But that doesn't excuse Refusal.

Let's get the obvious out of the way first. Refusal is not an ending. It's an insult. It's a big "F you" to the players. It was supposed to give the player a way out, a way to avoid stepping through plot hoops they didn't want. Except that choice had never been offered before. Shepard never refused to save the galaxy before. In fact, Refusal is one thing that ANY Shepard wouldn't logically do. Hackett and everyone is depending on the crucible being activated, Shepard wouldn't let him down, wouldn't give up everything fought for just to make a point.

Look, I get the decision to make it impossible to defeat the Reapers without the crucible. I agree with it, in fact. Anything else would've made the Reapers look too weak and/or stupid. But that's no reason to include Refusal. It's painfully obvious that everyone's hopes are on the crucible, and without it we lose. We get it. We don't need a fake ending to drive the point home.

There is no adequate story or gameplay reason to include Refusal. So what is it doing there?

Simple. It's BioWare telling their fans where to get off. It's not part of Shepard's story, or the Mass Effect universe. It's a direct message from BioWare corp. to you, the player. And the message is "F you. If you don't want our ending, you lose".

We get it. Some fans went too far. But that's not an excuse. This is beyond petty and immature. BioWare, this isn't the way to handle things. You don't wreck your magnum opus just to get back at people. The pressure for a different ending was done out of love for Mass Effect and the knowledge that you guys could have done a better job. Instead of just accepting you made a mistake and moving on, you chose to directly insult the people who love your creation.

If you don't want to change the endings, that's fine. But please, TALK TO US LIKE ADULTS. Explain why you made these endings, try and share the way you see it with us. I believe that you did your best to make a beautiful, meaningful ending for this series. We just want the same thing, and maybe if you'd open up this wall of hurtful silence you've been projecting ever since release the people here could see the endings the way you do.

Please, patch out Refusal. It spoils an otherwise beautiful piece of work. If you believe your endings are strong, then stick by your decision and don't insult us by giving a fake option.

[thearbiter1337]

I would rather say "**** you" to the Catalyst then pick those 3 endings

[Yate]

thearbiter1337 wrote...

I would rather say "**** you" to the Catalyst then pick those 3 endings

And if that were an actual viable option, sure. But it's not, it doesn't fit into the universe or Shepard's character.

[Master Xanthan]

Some people like refusal, though. It should be left in the game. Though what would be cool would be if they made it so that with a certain amount of EMS you can actually defeat the Reapers by choosing Refuse.

[Applepie_Svk]

BioWare should left relays destroyed after all those words with artistic ... just saying... and they shouldn´t retroactively foreshadowing ending of ME3 via paid DLC... also just saying ... yeah and dextro food supply are so delicious - please try harder BioWare next time... also just saying

Yate wrote...

thearbiter1337 wrote...

I would rather say "**** you" to the Catalyst then pick those 3 endings

And if that were an actual viable option, sure. But it's not, it doesn't fit into the universe or Shepard's character.

 

And glowboy saying to Shepard what to do is exactly what fit into universe... 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 12 septembre 2012 - 07:23 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

It fits both in my case, my Shepard's character in not your Shepard's character. Synthesis is the only thing that doesn't fit the universe.

[dirty console peasant]

Master Xanthan wrote...

Some people like refusal, though. It should be left in the game. Though what would be cool would be if they made it so that with a certain amount of EMS you can actually defeat the Reapers by choosing Refuse.

this, although it needs to be able to result in victory.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Some people like refusal, though. It should be left in the game. Though what would be cool would be if they made it so that with a certain amount of EMS you can actually defeat the Reapers by choosing Refuse.

this, although it needs to be able to result in victory.

Word

[Peranor]

What? No! Don't remove refuse. Refuse is beautiful. It's the true ending the game deserves.

[yukon fire]

Your just now learning that Bioware is petty and immature?

"Welcome to the party pal"

[Pitznik]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Some people like refusal, though. It should be left in the game. Though what would be cool would be if they made it so that with a certain amount of EMS you can actually defeat the Reapers by choosing Refuse.

this, although it needs to be able to result in victory.

Never.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Actually, they gave something to the fans that they asked for: the option to not use the Crucible, even if it resulted in everyone dying.

So they did. It's that simple.

As for the outcome... sorry, but you can't ask them not to let players deal with the consequences of their decisions. It is established, long before the ending controversy ever happened, that this galaxy does not have the means to defeat them conventionally.

There is no middle-finger here. But this fanbase loves to act victimized. By all means, they can have at it.

[Ryzaki]

Oh there's a giant middle finger. But no it's not because Shep lost. But rather that he went down like a chump, there's a quick fade to black and via twitter canon we learn the next cycle derped and went along with starbrat anyway despite being told the crucible didn't work.

That was the middle finger.

[KOM_95]

This is just an opinion piece and i don't care if it stays or goesbut some people seem to like it so it should stay

[Applepie_Svk]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

There is no middle-finger here. But this fanbase loves to act victimized. By all means, they can have at it.

It´s pretty nice kind of middle-finger, otherwise they lied even about this ...

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh there's a giant middle finger. But no it's not because Shep lost. But rather that he went down like a chump, there's a quick fade to black and via twitter canon we learn the next cycle derped and went along with starbrat anyway despite being told the crucible didn't work. 

That was the middle finger.

  

dis...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 12 septembre 2012 - 07:29 .

[Yate]

Applepie_Svk wrote...
And glowboy saying to Shepard what to do is exactly what fit into universe... 

Yes. The whole game was aiming towards turning on the crucible. That's was Shepard's whole motivation. It's OOC and illogical for thon to do anything else.

[GreyReaver]

Yate wrote...



@ BioWare:

 But please, TALK TO US LIKE ADULTS. Explain why you made these endings, try and share the way you see it with us. I believe that you did your best to make a beautiful, meaningful ending for this series. We just want the same thing, and maybe if you'd open up this wall of hurtful silence you've been projecting ever since release the people here could see the endings the way you do.

I agree with the above statement 100% help us understand what you intended, what you meant, why you wrote the things you did.  Help us understand the ME3 Ending you wrote and meant.  I realize you shouldn't have to but, unfortunately, this is where we both are at, both, writers and gamers.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: The message you communicate is the one the readers (in this case, the gamers) perceive not the one you intended.  Please help us understand and write a downloadable epilogue or whatever then have discussions or town halls or interviews, something, just not this wall of silence regarding the ME3 ending.

Modifié par GreyReaver, 12 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[thearbiter1337]

Yate wrote...

thearbiter1337 wrote...

I would rather say "**** you" to the Catalyst then pick those 3 endings

And if that were an actual viable option, sure. But it's not, it doesn't fit into the universe or Shepard's character.

Well my Shep doesn't like spitting on the graves of Anderson,Saren,TIM,EDI, and Legion

[RiouHotaru]

The thing is they weren't told WHY the Crucible didn't work. And since the next cycle has ALL the time they need to prepare, they could easily find out that the reason it didn't work was because someone didn't take action to make it work.

That they used the Crucible when you refused to doesn't make it bad writing.

[ref]

Gotta love people who speak for themselves. I felt the Refusal ending was the best out of them all in the EC. I just don't care about the source material anymore so to me it was the best choice.

[ghost9191]

Greylycantrope wrote...

It fits both in my case, my Shepard's character in not your Shepard's character. Synthesis is the only thing that doesn't fit the universe.

agree, was expecting control and destroy. Was thinking more along the lines of siding with alliance and the united races, or side with cerberus for human dominance . so wasn't too surprised when i got them. but when the catalyst brought up synthesis it kinda like LUL wat?  But most of the ending did seem to come out of no where. Mainly cause it made the main issue created will always rebel against creators , instead of destroy Z reaperz

i get refuse though, not my choice ( obviously considering my sig ) but it gives those that want to fight ( although shepard doesn't ) the chance to ,even if the outcome is not what you hoped for.

but refuse is in, i don't want them to add a conventional victory to refuse though, that would make the crucible kinda pointless. but rather depending on choices, achieve a better understanding so the main purpose destroy will only target the reapers. then ppl will be happy or not i don't care   just throwing a idea

[Yate]

I actually like the post-EC endings, except Refusal.

I interpret everything in between Marauder Shields and crucible firing as being in Shepard's mind, no idea if that was BW's intention, but it works quite well.

[RiouHotaru]

GreyReaver wrote...

Yate wrote...



@ BioWare:

 But please, TALK TO US LIKE ADULTS. Explain why you made these endings, try and share the way you see it with us. I believe that you did your best to make a beautiful, meaningful ending for this series. We just want the same thing, and maybe if you'd open up this wall of hurtful silence you've been projecting ever since release the people here could see the endings the way you do.

I agree with the above statement 100% help us understand what you intended, what you meant, why you wrote the things you did.  Help us understand the ME3 Ending you wrote and meant.  I realize you shouldn't have to but, unfortunately, this is where we both are at, both, writers and gamers.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: The message you communicate is the one the readers (in this case, the gamers) perceive not the one you intended.  Please help us understand and write a downloadable epilogue or whatever then have discussions or town halls or interviews, something, just not this wall of silence.

Except the "Wall of Silence" is the best thing they could do.  Whenever anyway says ANYTHING, whether at a convention or over twitter, it has it's context, twisted, distorted, or plain straight up fabricated.  The fans look for what they WANT to see to confirm their own bias, without caring what the dev ACTUALLY meant or WHY.

There's NO reason to "come out" and speak to us.

[Applepie_Svk]

 

Yate wrote...



@ BioWare:

 But please, TALK TO US LIKE ADULTS. Explain why you made these endings, try and share the way you see it with us. I believe that you did your best to make a beautiful, meaningful ending for this series. We just want the same thing, and maybe if you'd open up this wall of hurtful silence you've been projecting ever since release the people here could see the endings the way you do.

 

Ask to Hudson and Walters, it´s only their creation not a whole team, otherwise I am surprise that you are saying from one hand that endings are beautiful and from the other hand you are asking for explanation of those endings... For me it looks like you didn´t get it at all.

Yate wrote...



Look, I get the decision to make it impossible to defeat the Reapers without the crucible. I agree with it, in fact. Anything else would've made the Reapers look too weak and/or stupid. But that's no reason to include Refusal. It's painfully obvious that everyone's hopes are on the crucible, and without it we lose. We get it. We don't need a fake ending to drive the point home.

For 98% of game you have no idea who built it, what it does, why the creators built 3 very weird kind of buttons which required bloody sacrifice instead of normal computer or panel, and only two guys which knew something more about Crucible are dishonest. Yet you are saying that the only hope is Crucible without knowing the nature of that structure.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 12 septembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[Yate]

thearbiter1337 wrote...

Yate wrote...

thearbiter1337 wrote...

I would rather say "**** you" to the Catalyst then pick those 3 endings

And if that were an actual viable option, sure. But it's not, it doesn't fit into the universe or Shepard's character.

Well my Shep doesn't like spitting on the graves of Anderson,Saren,TIM,EDI, and Legion

So Shep lets everyone die? The entire galaxy is depending on Shep and Shep lets them down just to tell the catalyst where to shove it? After all Shep's done? No, it's completely OOC.