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[Mcfly616]

Sauruz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Deluded? No....you are. For thinking that your point of view is the only one. My mission, since ME1 was to destroy the Reapers. I always complete my mission. I'm not going to second guess my beliefs at the very last minute, sorry. I didn't design the crucible. And the people that did design it, didn't direct its energy at the Geth. The Crucibles energy is directed at Reaper technology. The Geth have Reaper upgrades now unfortunately. And thats all it is: an unfortunate circumstance

I'm not saying my point of view is the only right one. Your Shepard killed a race. You can talk around the fact as much as you want, but that's what happened, ultimately. I'm just saying if you truly want to support your views you'd have to accept responsibility.

I accept the fact that the Geth died. I knew they would if I chose destroy. I would not have done so if there were any other way to Destroy that Reapers. But there wasn't. As I said before. It is not my fault the crucible functions as it does, yet it is the only way to complete my goal. I didn't put a gun to the Geth and pull the trigger. I let them die, in order to save the rest. I did not waver. I steeled myself. Javik would be proud. So would Victus, victory at any cost.


I completed my mission without compromising my beliefs. The Geth were innocent victims of the affects of the Crucible.


Look at it however you'd like man, we're not really getting anywhere. Lol

Modifié par Mcfly616, 12 septembre 2012 - 11:01 .

[Wayning_Star]

Bill Casey wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Personally, I'm convinced the "So be it" is a direct reference to the "So be it, Jedi" the Emperor gives to Luke in Return of the Jedi after Luke refuses to kill Vader.

Yes, but the true battle in ROTJ is a battle for the soul of Darth Vader, which begins as soon as Luke is escorted to his father. Luke fights with words and actions that finally convinced Vader to literally overthrow the Emperor...

The true power of the light side of the force comes through. And it's not flippy video game bull**** from the prequels. It's the idealism and purity contrasted with the Emperor's pure malice that convinces Vader to switch sides...

The Mass Effect universe fanbase has become far more cynical...

typo fixed with trikethrough.

Darth Vader simply remembered who he was and why 'the force' was actually with him..and his kids too!!

Family.

[TheRealJayDee]

drayfish wrote...

Indeed, why did Bioware design a game that rewards only megalomaniacal racists?

Why was that a good idea?

I'd love to know the answer to the first question. We know the answer to the second question: it wasn't.

wwinters99 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Let me get this straight: people expect to be rewarded for making a decision that they were warned against taking?

Udina: The Normandy is grounded, don't go to Ilos Shepard.

Shepard: Ok.

***Game Over, Sovereign Wins!***

Bioware: Buy DLC!

                                                                                

Bill Casey wrote...

Refuse is the second best choice...
It's the only pickable ending besides Destroy...

Very much agreed.

edit: well, now that I think of it - my megalomaniacal racist Shep would love to pick Control. Even he wouldn't be able to pick something so fundamentally wrong as Synthesis though...

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 12 septembre 2012 - 11:09 .

[Wayning_Star]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Deluded? No....you are. For thinking that your point of view is the only one. My mission, since ME1 was to destroy the Reapers. I always complete my mission. I'm not going to second guess my beliefs at the very last minute, sorry. I didn't design the crucible. And the people that did design it, didn't direct its energy at the Geth. The Crucibles energy is directed at Reaper technology. The Geth have Reaper upgrades now unfortunately. And thats all it is: an unfortunate circumstance

I'm not saying my point of view is the only right one. Your Shepard killed a race. You can talk around the fact as much as you want, but that's what happened, ultimately. I'm just saying if you truly want to support your views you'd have to accept responsibility.

I accept the fact that the Geth died. I knew they would if I chose destroy. I would not have done so if there were any other way to Destroy that Reapers. But there wasn't. As I said before. It is not my fault the crucible functions as it does, yet it is the only way to complete my goal. I didn't put a gun to the Geth and pull the trigger. I let them die, in order to save the rest. I did not waver. I steeled myself. Javik would be proud. So would Victus, victory at any cost.


I completed my mission without compromising my beliefs. The Geth were innocent victims of the affects of the Crucible.


Look at it however you'd like man, we're not really getting anywhere. Lol

but tecnology will be back, it always will be back..eventually.. the game of cat'n mouses returns. The Leviathan proves billions of years of technology existed. The catalyst harvested a few..in respect to it.. Tecnology must be dealt with..eventually.

[M Hedonist]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Personally, I'm convinced the "So be it" is a direct reference to the "So be it, Jedi" the Emperor gives to Luke in Return of the Jedi after Luke refuses to kill Vader.

Yes, but the true battle in ROTJ is a battle for the soul of Darth Vader, which begins as soon as Luke is escorted to his father. Luke fights with words and actions that finally convinced Vader to literally overthrow the Emperor...

The true power of the light side of the force comes through. And it's not flippy video game bull**** from the prequels. It's the idealism and purity contrasted with the Emperor's pure malice that convinces Vader to switch sides...

The Mass Effect universe fanbase has become far more cynical...

typo fixed with trikethrough.

Nah, it's Casey Hudson and Mac Walters who decided to bring nihilism into the game, for whatever reason. If they had made Return of the Jedi it would've ended with Luke getting stabbed by Vader. Maybe add a scene where the next generation of rebels succeed in beating the Empire.

[Clayless]

People demand Refusal ending.

Get it.

Call it an insult.

[Wayning_Star]

Sauruz wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Personally, I'm convinced the "So be it" is a direct reference to the "So be it, Jedi" the Emperor gives to Luke in Return of the Jedi after Luke refuses to kill Vader.

Yes, but the true battle in ROTJ is a battle for the soul of Darth Vader, which begins as soon as Luke is escorted to his father. Luke fights with words and actions that finally convinced Vader to literally overthrow the Emperor...

The true power of the light side of the force comes through. And it's not flippy video game bull**** from the prequels. It's the idealism and purity contrasted with the Emperor's pure malice that convinces Vader to switch sides...

The Mass Effect universe fanbase has become far more cynical...

typo fixed with trikethrough.

Nah, it's Casey Hudson and Mac Walters who decided to bring nihilism into the game, for whatever reason. If they had made Return of the Jedi it would've ended with Luke getting stabbed by Vader. Maybe add a scene where the next generation of rebels succeed in beating the Empire.

The force works in mysterious ways. Darth did lop off his hand tho, hoping it would stop him from fighting on. The dark side kept him hidden from himself, is all.

The ME game is fine, it's just that folks don't like to make a choice they don't like,even if it's the correct one.. as there is NO right choice. Given the circumstances, it's almost impossible to 'feel' the situation as it would be in the future and pitted against strange entities and technology that can take you to lunch..their tab. 

But I don't get the "nihillism" statement?


ni·hil·ism/ˈnīəˌlizəm/





Noun:






The rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
Extreme skepticism, according to which nothing in the world has a real existence.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

People demand Refusal ending.

Get it.

Call it an insult.

People demanded Refuse option

Other people asked for more varried outcomes, like the Reapers winning

Bioware bundles these two ideas together

[The Spamming Troll]

Pitznik wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Some people like refusal, though. It should be left in the game. Though what would be cool would be if they made it so that with a certain amount of EMS you can actually defeat the Reapers by choosing Refuse.

this, although it needs to be able to result in victory.

Never.

lets play make beleive in the real world!

so lets say aliens started landing on earth, and laying waste to everything. at the very moment you see earth being pumeled by huge mechaships, what are you going to do?

when i think about it, someone who says "Never." is the least important person on earth.

[Gruntburner]

Nice sentiment, but many in the community would never agree to a cordial, adult talk. Most are just content to fling ****, insult the developers, and claim they don't deserve to be treated with respect.

[Wayning_Star]

Gruntburner wrote...

Nice sentiment, but many in the community would never agree to a cordial, adult talk. Most are just content to fling ****, insult the developers, and claim they don't deserve to be treated with respect.

and hide better'n a Leviathan from synthesis..lol

They know they're stuck..but don't mean they won't get ugly about it... but it matters little..ugly.. just a stereotype.

[ATLAS1192]

So, let me get this straight:
A part of the community asked for an option to refuse the Catalyst's options.
A different part asked for an ending where the Reapers win.
BioWare answers both of these requests, in the form of the Refuse ending.
The community then proceeds to whine about not being able to defeat the Reapers without the Crucible (as if it wasn't drilled into their unbelieveably thick skulls enough times during the game), and claim that the Refuse ending is an "insult".
Makes so much sense when you think about it.

[The Spamming Troll]

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

So, let me get this straight:
A part of the community asked for an option to refuse the Catalyst's options.
A different part asked for an ending where the Reapers win.
BioWare answers both of these requests, in the form of the Refuse ending.
The community then proceeds to whine about not being able to defeat the Reapers without the Crucible (as if it wasn't drilled into their unbelieveably thick skulls enough times during the game), and claim that the Refuse ending is an "insult".
Makes so much sense when you think about it.

it doesnt make sense to you because your not thinking about it.

im saying what you wrote is blindly wrong.

the problem is, you dont get it. most likely you never will, and the response you wrote here will never fade from your thoughts.

to me, thats unfortunate for you.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 13 septembre 2012 - 12:19 .

[Necrotron]

Refusal is pretty pointless, since the ending is such a trainwreck, and no matter what, you have to accept the Reapers are benevolent creatures who, despite having subjugated and indoctrinated every other powerful organic who dealt with them up until now, suddenly want to offer a solution other than 'everyone dies' to Shepard, which include options A) 'some' die, as Shepard's personal choice everyone dies, but only partway (e.g. everyone becomes half robot) and C) Shepard becomes the new Dark Lord Sauron, bearer of the One Ring.

Regardless, whatever decision you make, the ending is either 'you die' or 'you agree to their terms' with the main villain, and every ending is a tradgedy.

Modifié par Bathaius, 13 septembre 2012 - 12:27 .

[ATLAS1192]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

So, let me get this straight:
A part of the community asked for an option to refuse the Catalyst's options.
A different part asked for an ending where the Reapers win.
BioWare answers both of these requests, in the form of the Refuse ending.
The community then proceeds to whine about not being able to defeat the Reapers without the Crucible (as if it wasn't drilled into their unbelieveably thick skulls enough times during the game), and claim that the Refuse ending is an "insult".
Makes so much sense when you think about it.

it doesnt make sense to you because your not thinking about it.

im saying what you wrote is blindly wrong.

the problem is, you dont get it. most likely you never will, and the response you wrote here will never fade from your thoughts.

to me, thats unfortunate for you.

And I find it unfortunate for you that you don't recognize sarcasm.

[GreyLycanTrope]

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

So, let me get this straight:
A part of the community asked for an option to refuse the Catalyst's options.
A different part asked for an ending where the Reapers win.
BioWare answers both of these requests, in the form of the Refuse ending.
The community then proceeds to whine about not being able to defeat the Reapers without the Crucible (as if it wasn't drilled into their unbelieveably thick skulls enough times during the game), and claim that the Refuse ending is an "insult".
Makes so much sense when you think about it.

Let me clarify than, it's like if you picked control but the Geth died anyway. It's like you shot the tube to kill the reapers but unleashed the green wave of awful and killing Shepard regardless. It's a merging of two different ideas when no one asked for it.

[Norrax]

thearbiter1337 wrote...

I would rather say "**** you" to the Catalyst then pick those 3 endings

+1

[AlanC9]

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

So, let me get this straight:
A part of the community asked for an option to refuse the Catalyst's options

This isn't quite complete. One faction really wanted an option to refuse and win. Another faction thought Refuse would be nice for RP, but a Refuse victory was idiotic. 

Modifié par AlanC9, 13 septembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[ATLAS1192]

Greylycantrope wrote...

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

So, let me get this straight:
A part of the community asked for an option to refuse the Catalyst's options.
A different part asked for an ending where the Reapers win.
BioWare answers both of these requests, in the form of the Refuse ending.
The community then proceeds to whine about not being able to defeat the Reapers without the Crucible (as if it wasn't drilled into their unbelieveably thick skulls enough times during the game), and claim that the Refuse ending is an "insult".
Makes so much sense when you think about it.

Let me clarify than, it's like if you picked control but the Geth died anyway. It's like you shot the tube to kill the reapers but unleashed the green wave of awful and killing Shepard regardless. It's a merging of two different ideas when no one asked for it.

Ah. I just saw it as BioWare killing two birds with one stone. And it made perfect sense to me. Given what I've been shown and told over the course of the game, it didn't feel like I could defeat the Reapers without the Crucible.
Also, I don't know anyone who picked Control so they wouldn't kill the Geth, and I don't know anyone who picked Destroy so they could avoid Synthesis. They could possibly be points in that ending's favor, but not the deciding factor.

[AlanC9]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...
this, although it needs to be able to result in victory.

Never.

lets play make beleive in the real world!

so lets say aliens started landing on earth, and laying waste to everything. at the very moment you see earth being pumeled by huge mechaships, what are you going to do?

when i think about it, someone who says "Never." is the least important person on earth.

Methinks Pitznik's saying never to Refuse leading to victory .

[Iakus]

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

So, let me get this straight:
A part of the community asked for an option to refuse the Catalyst's options.
A different part asked for an ending where the Reapers win.
BioWare answers both of these requests, in the form of the Refuse ending.
The community then proceeds to whine about not being able to defeat the Reapers without the Crucible (as if it wasn't drilled into their unbelieveably thick skulls enough times during the game), and claim that the Refuse ending is an "insult".
Makes so much sense when you think about it.

To be accurate:

The purpose of a Refuse request was to have victory or defeeat determined purely by War Assets and readiness.  The stuff we spent the entire game gathering.  

And requests for a 'Reapers win" ending were almost always hand in hand with a "total victory" ending.  In other words, a wider variety of outcomes in th eendings.

By combining these two together in this way, Bioware proves that they were, at best, only half-listening.

[m2iCodeJockey]

Ryzaki wrote...

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
And none of my Sheps live. Even the good destroy ones eventually die of thirst from being trapped in the Citadel without anyone helping them. What a way to go.

Well, if you want to headcanon that, it's your right.

Yup. Nothing in game contradicts it either.

Two days after destroy...
Random Worker1: "OH, GOD!!! Look at this place!! We're going to have to flush the whole underside of the Citadel tower with fresh spring water!!"
Random Worker2: "Yep. Good thing we're here at Earth! Already on the way... Oh, here it comes, now..."
*pan up to shep's chest*
Shep: "*gasp!!*"
*TOOOWAAAAASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!*

This gave me a good laugh. Thank you.

NP.

Modifié par m2iCodeJockey, 13 septembre 2012 - 03:22 .

[KevTheGamer]

Refusal is my favorite ending!

[ATLAS1192]

iakus wrote...

xBl4ck0p5x wrote...

So, let me get this straight:
A part of the community asked for an option to refuse the Catalyst's options.
A different part asked for an ending where the Reapers win.
BioWare answers both of these requests, in the form of the Refuse ending.
The community then proceeds to whine about not being able to defeat the Reapers without the Crucible (as if it wasn't drilled into their unbelieveably thick skulls enough times during the game), and claim that the Refuse ending is an "insult".
Makes so much sense when you think about it.

To be accurate:

The purpose of a Refuse request was to have victory or defeeat determined purely by War Assets and readiness.  The stuff we spent the entire game gathering.  

And requests for a 'Reapers win" ending were almost always hand in hand with a "total victory" ending.  In other words, a wider variety of outcomes in th eendings.

By combining these two together in this way, Bioware proves that they were, at best, only half-listening.

I understood the victory by EMS requests. The problem with that is that a large portion of the War Assets you gather go toward the building and research of the Crucible. When you factor that in, it feels pretty dumb (at least to me) to just ditch it and try another way.

I didn't consider that. I also thought that the endings were varied enough (Post-EC, not vanilla), and felt that a total victory ending would discourage people from choosing the other ones.

As I said in a previous post, I thought the two ideas synergized pretty well, considering all the things I've been shown and told throughout the game.

Modifié par xBl4ck0p5x, 13 septembre 2012 - 01:20 .

[Omega Torsk]

How about no? Refusal actually has somewhat of an uplifting ending if you factor out Shepard's cycle getting hosed.

Keep it in, I say. A lot of people asked for it during the "dark months," or have you forgotten?