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[IllusiveManJr]

You wrote all this? Nice.

[Ticonderoga117]

Sphere(Or beam) of green energy =/= nanites.

Plus, the effect is instantaneous. If we came back a week later to see the green lines, then sure, could buy that. But no. Green wave then BAM! Green lines on everything.

[MyChemicalBromance]

inversevideo wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

In any event, if Starkid has the power of creation, then why enact cycles of reaping?

If a being had ultimate power why would they do anything? A being with all knowledge or power over everything would be above concepts like reason or logic.

Just because you can control a substantial portion of the universe doesn't mean you are all powerful either. We are Gods to ants, but that doesn't make us all powerful. Your scales don't define godhood; you just infer it.

The Catalyst clearly follows a form of logic and reason, and thus isn't the god you're making him out to be.

What am I making it out to be?  

It has the power of creation, if it has the power to enact synthesis. To us that is pretty near omnipotent.
That it choses to enact the cycles given the power of creation and an arse-load of processing power is baffling.  

Not a conundrum I am interested in solving either. I have no need to make excuses for the thing.

Don't really care if folks choose synthesis either. How someone role-plays their Shep is up to them.
I have been curious how folks reach the decision to choose Synthesis, but for me it is truly curiosity.

Nope, for me, the issue I have is that synthesis just knocks me completely out of the game; as it requires a really large suspension of disbelief.  It also invalidates the whole purpose of the Reapers (hehe 'Don't Fear the Reaper' is streaming on Pandora). If you have the power of creation, why Reap?

As I said, you don't have a "why" anymore once you control creation.

That said, I don't think they fully control creation, for the same reasons you think Synthesis doesn't make sense. The Catalyst has a "why," has a purpose, and thus it is just as "flawed" as we are.
 
The Catalyst sought to preserve organic life. Synthesis is it admitting that this can't be done.

[Someone With Mass]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Sphere(Or beam) of green energy =/= nanites.

Plus, the effect is instantaneous. If we came back a week later to see the green lines, then sure, could buy that. But no. Green wave then BAM! Green lines on everything.

Yeah, I'm sure organic bodies can withstand that kind of radical change on that scale. It's not like their immune systems would need to adapt to it or anything.

[Ticonderoga117]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Yeah, I'm sure organic bodies can withstand that kind of radical change on that scale. It's not like their immune systems would need to adapt to it or anything.

Well if we want to up the Fi in the Sci, one can argue that the body was rewritten to accept the new additions. However, again, the problem here is time and scale. The difference between the game and believability is just too great and thus immersion is broken.

[Norrax]

as a biologist i know, synthesis on the DNA level is..........................BULLS**T!!

[Deltateam Elcor]

Got to love it when people waste their time with rather pointless ****, especially when it seems they are serious, then it goes into an area of stupidity, that only the smartest folk avoid.

I am going to say three things.

It is an interactive media.

It is a fictional universe.

It is a personal universe.

Now if this was perhaps a book or movie, one might indulge in such things, as that would be your interaction.

If this was entirely based on our universe, it would actually be beneficial to do this.

Now ultimately this universe is based on what you feel like doing, which is problematic as that is beyond our array of knowledge and the fact that it does not mean anything if anaylse all the endings as one, Ala Indoctrination Theory of a sort.

So not only is this over-interaction, not beneficial and  completely pointless ultimatly.

You only posted it so you could feel some sort of gratifcation for your 'hard' 2 hour session of typing, I sure hope you felt it was worth it.

[Someone With Mass]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Yeah, I'm sure organic bodies can withstand that kind of radical change on that scale. It's not like their immune systems would need to adapt to it or anything.

Well if we want to up the Fi in the Sci, one can argue that the body was rewritten to accept the new additions. However, again, the problem here is time and scale. The difference between the game and believability is just too great and thus immersion is broken.

Not to mention that it'll variate from person to person and from animal to flora. And this machine must do this on a galactic scale. While having enough material to do so, since I doubt that it's just rearranging everyone's DNA.

That alone makes it highly unbelievable, since there are millions and millions of planets in our galaxy and quite a few of them are probably able to support organic life.

It takes everything it needs from the mass relays? All they can provide the Crucible with is more dark energy.

In fact, all that's ever mentioned about the Crucible's way of activation is that it'll use some kind of energy, since it's a little more than a power source. I think it'll need more than that to manipulate the foundations of organic and synthetic beings.

So...sloppy explanation can be added.

[Jadebaby]

This is going to raise more questions than it answers, unfortunate because I appreciate the thought and time put into this.

However you explain it, you can't explain changing every single beings DNA across the entire freakin galaxy in a matter of minutes. It's just not right.

[MyChemicalBromance]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Got to love it when people waste their time with rather pointless ****, especially when it seems they are serious, then it goes into an area of stupidity, that only the smartest folk avoid.

...

You only posted it so you could feel some sort of gratifcation for your 'hard' 2 hour session of typing, I sure hope you felt it was worth it.

So I wasted my time, and didn't spend enough time on it?

I have to ask; did I do something to ****** you off? I ask because I can't understand why you're so upset. The amount of time we all spend on these forums greatly exceeds 2 hours, and the amount of time spent playing the games dwarfs that as well. This is how I enjoy the game. Why is the way I enjoy the game anymore of a waste of time than someone who does nothing with their forum time but complain?

[Jadebaby]

Norrax wrote...

as a biologist i know, synthesis on the DNA level is..........................BULLS**T!!

This, I have a friend who is a bio-chemist. He feels the same way.

[inversevideo]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

In any event, if Starkid has the power of creation, then why enact cycles of reaping?

If a being had ultimate power why would they do anything? A being with all knowledge or power over everything would be above concepts like reason or logic.

Just because you can control a substantial portion of the universe doesn't mean you are all powerful either. We are Gods to ants, but that doesn't make us all powerful. Your scales don't define godhood; you just infer it.

The Catalyst clearly follows a form of logic and reason, and thus isn't the god you're making him out to be.

What am I making it out to be?  

It has the power of creation, if it has the power to enact synthesis. To us that is pretty near omnipotent.
That it choses to enact the cycles given the power of creation and an arse-load of processing power is baffling.  

Not a conundrum I am interested in solving either. I have no need to make excuses for the thing.

Don't really care if folks choose synthesis either. How someone role-plays their Shep is up to them.
I have been curious how folks reach the decision to choose Synthesis, but for me it is truly curiosity.

Nope, for me, the issue I have is that synthesis just knocks me completely out of the game; as it requires a really large suspension of disbelief.  It also invalidates the whole purpose of the Reapers (hehe 'Don't Fear the Reaper' is streaming on Pandora). If you have the power of creation, why Reap?

As I said, you don't have a "why" anymore once you control creation.

That said, I don't think they fully control creation, for the same reasons you think Synthesis doesn't make sense. The Catalyst has a "why," has a purpose, and thus it is just as "flawed" as we are.
 
The Catalyst sought to preserve organic life. Synthesis is it admitting that this can't be done.

And there it is. See?  The problem.

If Starkid has the power of creation and is a 'god', there is no need for Reapers or Harvesting.
Starkid could fulfill it's purpose and go on with it's existence.

But if Starkid has not evolved to the level of a TypeIV civilisation, then how was that bit of amazing pulled off?

And if Starkid is flawed, and has the power of creation, then the power of creation is in the hands of a flawed construct. 

This requires a lot of head-cannon and or suspension of disbelief to accept, no?

I love Bioware. I just expect better. When they are hitting every note no other developer can come close.

[Jadebaby]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Got to love it when people waste their time with rather pointless ****, especially when it seems they are serious, then it goes into an area of stupidity, that only the smartest folk avoid.

...

You only posted it so you could feel some sort of gratifcation for your 'hard' 2 hour session of typing, I sure hope you felt it was worth it.

So I wasted my time, and didn't spend enough time on it?

I have to ask; did I do something to ****** you off? I ask because I can't understand why you're so upset. The amount of time we all spend on these forums greatly exceeds 2 hours, and the amount of time spent playing the games dwarfs that as well. This is how I enjoy the game. Why is the way I enjoy the game anymore of a waste of time than someone who does nothing with their forum time but complain?

You're better off ignoring comments such as his.

In addition, bolded and underlined... Haha- hahaha.. Oh I wish it did!

[xsdob]

jstme wrote...

Thats fine technobabble.
Tell me though, how those "augmenting femtites" can not kill billions of different organisms they are now "augmenting" by attempting to integrate into an unknown and immensly complex and (more important) - vastly different among different species form different planets with different microbiology - cellular mechanics?

Trying to augment laptop by pouring coffee all over it sounds smarter.

Bacteria and cells are not "life" you cannot "kill" them because they are so simple that they only count as life in a technical sense.

Is it slaughter to harvest vegitables? They're billions of times more complex than microbs, yet microbs being assimilated is "murder" so by your logic, we commit genocide on flora every time we eat healthier.

This logic seems very flawed and based only on making synthesis sound like a bad idea.

Modifié par xsdob, 14 septembre 2012 - 12:32 .

[thearbiter1337]

Even though i hate Synthesis so much i am willing to tell the Catalyst to "**** off"

I say to this 10/10 will read again

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Syntheticdoola organicboola colors of yellow and blue.
Put them together and what have you got?
Bippity-boppity-boo!

[Hexley UK]

An impressive amount of work for an ending that doesn't deserve it.

[JesseLee202]

...Yeah, I still call it space magic.

[ld1449]

Jesus H. Christ OP. not to use the irritating statement myself but...its a game. I think you put more thought into this than Mac and Casey put into the whole making of said game.

[Saans Shadow]

Very well done. I have similar theories on how synthesis works.

[Jadebaby]

ld1449 wrote...

Jesus H. Christ OP. not to use the irritating statement myself but...its a game. I think you put more thought into this than Mac and Casey put into the whole making of said game.

More like the whole trilogy.

[Applepie_Svk]

And my answer is ...

[MegaSovereign]

ld1449 wrote...

Jesus H. Christ OP. not to use the irritating statement myself but...its a game. I think you put more thought into this than Mac and Casey put into the whole making of said game.

Nothing wrong with that..

[ld1449]

MegaSovereign wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Jesus H. Christ OP. not to use the irritating statement myself but...its a game. I think you put more thought into this than Mac and Casey put into the whole making of said game.

Nothing wrong with that..

I suppose not but I really don't find it to be worth this much effort. Especially when you put it on a forum with known trolls on both sides of the fence and another chunk that don't even read posts at this point.

[eddieoctane]

OP, "nanites" that are smaller than sub-atomic particles is rather ridiculous. Once you go below the nanometer range and get into particles that constitute sub-atomic objects (the elementary particles) size becomes irrelevant. Everything starts behaving like a point. There is no volume to measure. At that scale, you don't even measure mass as we understand it, but in terms of the mass-balance of the nearly insignificant amount of energy that could be theoretically gains by annihilating the particle in question. There's not much that can actually be done besides acknowledging these particles exist. They don't really interact with other particles in a way that would allow for constructing anything useful.

Ultimately, what you are proposing takes us from buying into the existance of eezo to allowing BioWare to make up every single rule of physics as they go. And if this is the case, we don't have a science fiction game. We have high fantasy. And what goes on is really just magic. Not Clarke's law magic, but Harry Potter stuff. And when you suddenly jump genres, you alienate the audience. Face it, synthesis is impossible and the ME3 writing team failed miserably at the ending.