It instead started in Asunder? And here I was thinking Anders ignited the war.
So the Mage-Templar war didn't actually start in DA2.
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 02:13
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Nope. Anders actions called attention throughout Thedas that if the Chantry wishes it, they will punish the Circles for things they didn't do. Several circles rebelled when they heard about the unjustified Right of Annulment and have since been Annulled themselves.
The tense situation with Lambert and Rhys forced a confrontation that started the war.
The tense situation with Lambert and Rhys forced a confrontation that started the war.
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 02:19
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The events of DA2 and Asunder did not occur in a vacuum. No single incident started the war. It is the result of a thousand years of tension between the two groups.
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 02:30
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Plaintiff wrote...
The events of DA2 and Asunder did not occur in a vacuum. No single incident started the war. It is the result of a thousand years of tension between the two groups.
I like to look at it that way, doesn't make Anders actions look like they were made in vain.
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 04:09
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No but made Fiona be voted for leader of all mages. And made the factions who wanted to separate from the Chantry a lot stronger.Karlone123 wrote...
It instead started in Asunder? And here I was thinking Anders ignited the war.
You forget that very few people know what really happened on Kirkwall. Remember how Cassandra, who is better informed than most, thinks Hawke went to Kirkwall to form a rebellion ? At the time there were all kinds of rumors and lies circulating about the events. I'm pretty sure the Chantry and Templars took the opportunity to paint Anders and Hawke as evil madman killing kittens and virgins. Took a while for the truth to finally dawn on people.
Even Wynne saw the truth eventually, but she had to see her son put to death unfairly to finally realize Templars were going too far.
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 04:39
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Kirkwall got the ball rolling.
I like to compare it to the start of World War II. There was a period of about eight months where most of the key players had declared war but the western forces carried out no major military operations.
It would take time in the aftermath of the chaos for word to get out about happened in Kirkwall. When that occured, the Chantry clamped down hard on the mages, dissolving the College of Magi.
That was the whole point in Fiona calling for a vote on seperation at the conference to discuss Pharamond's findings; they would never get another chance. And you know how that went.
I like to compare it to the start of World War II. There was a period of about eight months where most of the key players had declared war but the western forces carried out no major military operations.
It would take time in the aftermath of the chaos for word to get out about happened in Kirkwall. When that occured, the Chantry clamped down hard on the mages, dissolving the College of Magi.
That was the whole point in Fiona calling for a vote on seperation at the conference to discuss Pharamond's findings; they would never get another chance. And you know how that went.
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Posté 13 septembre 2012 - 02:46
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Didn't know anything about Asunder. Sounds like there's no way to avoid the War in the next Dragon Age, and by that, there's likely going to be multiplayer battlefields like ME3 with the addition of factioned PvP.
Oh well. What can ya do? We'll probably have a single-player game using PvP game resources including PvP maps, PvP controls, PvP UI, PvP NPC AI and PvP mechanics instead of SP. (Anyone who thinks they're going to make two different games in one is not being realistic. They would just make two different games then. They will plop a SP game upon a game engine built for PvP instead of the SP RPG style that we've known for Dragon Age. They will not build two game engines for one release.)
Oh well. What can ya do? We'll probably have a single-player game using PvP game resources including PvP maps, PvP controls, PvP UI, PvP NPC AI and PvP mechanics instead of SP. (Anyone who thinks they're going to make two different games in one is not being realistic. They would just make two different games then. They will plop a SP game upon a game engine built for PvP instead of the SP RPG style that we've known for Dragon Age. They will not build two game engines for one release.)
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Posté 14 septembre 2012 - 11:19
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One question: How did Anders' action draw attention? There is no TV or radio, no journalists and no media coverage in Thedas.
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Posté 15 septembre 2012 - 01:13
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Fleet Command wrote...
One question: How did Anders' action draw attention? There is no TV or radio, no journalists and no media coverage in Thedas.
Well you have to remember if you do the pro-mage ending in DAII that more Templars arrive the very next day after Anders' blows up the chantry to keep order. Also Sister Nightingale stated that all eyes were on Kirkwall because of all the tension between the mages and templars, that and the Qunari.
I would assume they would've sent messengers on horses to any location of import. Also I remember Mr Gaider stating at one point that the Circle of Magi had a magical postal service type of thing (sorry can't find a link to it) where they can teleport messages around Thedas albeit at great expense.
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Posté 15 septembre 2012 - 02:19
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Right. Hawke wasn't particularly essential in the grand scheme of things then, was he? Important perhaps, but not essential.
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Posté 15 septembre 2012 - 04:19
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Yes, mages can transmit messages somehow. Asunder has them spreading the news of the cure for tranquility to all Circles.
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Posté 15 septembre 2012 - 09:16
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Renmiri1 wrote...
Yes, mages can transmit messages somehow. Asunder has them spreading the news of the cure for tranquility to all Circles.
^There's a cure for tranquility?!
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Posté 15 septembre 2012 - 09:43
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Sort of, it carries with it a very high chance of becoming an abomination.JSlither wrote...
Renmiri1 wrote...
Yes, mages can transmit messages somehow. Asunder has them spreading the news of the cure for tranquility to all Circles.
^There's a cure for tranquility?!
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Posté 16 septembre 2012 - 03:56
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Fleet Command wrote...
One question: How did Anders' action draw attention? There is no TV or radio, no journalists and no media coverage in Thedas.
A Chantry in a major port town like Kirkwall is nuked, abominations and demons run amuck, and there is open war between mages and templars. How does the gossip wheel NOT get turning with a situation like that? The captain and crew of the next ship to come to Kirkwall takes a look around, asks 'what the hell happened here', gets an answer, and pretty soon, it's all over Thedas.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:16
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Lord Aesir wrote...
Sort of, it carries with it a very high chance of becoming an abomination.JSlither wrote...
Renmiri1 wrote...
Yes, mages can transmit messages somehow. Asunder has them spreading the news of the cure for tranquility to all Circles.
^There's a cure for tranquility?!
Don't worry, there's a cure for that too.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 01:03
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Asunder didn't happen if you killed one of the characters in your game. For instance I killed Wynne, and Wynne is in Asunder. Therefore Asunder didn't happen in my story.
I think. It's kind of hard to make out what is canon and what isn't.
I think. It's kind of hard to make out what is canon and what isn't.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 10:18
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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
Sort of, it carries with it a very high chance of becoming an abomination.JSlither wrote...
Renmiri1 wrote...
Yes, mages can transmit messages somehow. Asunder has them spreading the news of the cure for tranquility to all Circles.
^There's a cure for tranquility?!
Don't worry, there's a cure for that too.
I'll bet that there is a very high chance of the cure of being an abomination will turn said abomination into a tranquil. Cue the rarely ending cycle ...
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 11:32
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JSlither wrote...
Renmiri1 wrote...
Yes, mages can transmit messages somehow. Asunder has them spreading the news of the cure for tranquility to all Circles.
^There's a cure for tranquility?!
Only just discovered in Asunder, by a Tranquil who was ordered to try and find a cure. This tranquil went at it in a zealous manner, all thoughts and actions oriented to this singular goal. No emotion was inolved, so no thought was given to the ethics of the experiments to cure tranquility, but yes, there is now a cure for tranquility. Strong chance of becoming an abomination in the process, but possible.
